70 R/T Charger 440/4bbl Good project

[edl0944]

Just posted my charger on ebay - Medium Red -Black Vinyl Top -Bumblebee stripe A/C car located in Hilton Head SC Has running non orig 440/4bbl in it and it comes with the original engine blocc and heads 440/4bbl Car.Call Eric 843 298-9677 for more pics and info

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The blue seats are a nice touch.   





http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-R-T-1970-charger-r-t-440-4-bbl-medium-red-black-vinyl-top-bumblebee-stripe-/111488222147?forcerrptr=true&hash=item19f53743c3&item=111488222147&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[Homerr]

Don't mind Mytur, he hates everything that isn't a cherry 1968 Hemi 4-speed Charger.   

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**edit ***       just realised this was a for sale advert , not a general Ebay what do you think of this car , etc etc  discussion type thing

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[1974dodgecharger]

Don't mind Mytur, he hates everything that isn't a cherry 1968 Hemi 4-speed Charger.   

LOL, but that's what makes him enjoyable to be around 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Don't mind Mytur, he hates everything that isn't a cherry 1968 Hemi 4-speed Charger.   

No, I'm just not a fan of projects that require so much time and money that they'll put you in the poor house. With all the work this car needs, you'll be into it for 75 large by the time you're done. For a car that's worth 40 when completed, that's just not an economically viable project.

Sorry, but someone's got to be the (sometimes sarcastic) voice of reason around here..

[six-tee-nine]

OK guys you heard the man, every Charger that needs a new quarter and a set of floor pans goes to the scrap yard from now on!
Not worth restoring anymore.

Jesus..... talking about a slap in the face for every guy out here that spends every friggin night in his shop to bring one of these cars back. Most of us know that restoring one of these is money loosing operation....
You can always "try" to be a little more positive about something someone else does...

Sorry for the hijack of this thread

[Daytona R/T SE]

We have an " Online swap meet" section for "For sale" and "Ebay" ads.

[Homerr]

I totally get the humor of the Mytur... but maybe someone new here doesn't.

The economics you state are valid, no argument here.



And you hate everything that isn't a cherry 1968 Hemi 4-speed Charger!   

[hemi-hampton]

Don't mind Mytur, he hates everything that isn't a cherry 1968 Hemi 4-speed Charger.   

No, I'm just not a fan of projects that require so much time and money that they'll put you in the poor house. With all the work this car needs, you'll be into it for 75 large by the time you're done. For a car that's worth 40 when completed, that's just not an economically viable project.

Sorry, but someone's got to be the (sometimes sarcastic) voice of reason around here..

You might have less then $40k into it if you can do all or most of the work yourself or go the Earl Schieb route

[Mytur Binsdirti]

You might have less then $40k into it if you can do all or most of the work yourself or go the Earl Schieb route

If the purchase price was under a grand, I agree with your statement. Unfortunately, that is not the case.   

[RallyeMike]

There are plenty of people who get their hands dirty who could restore this car under the sale value. It's just that they would be paying themselves about 40 cents an hour. 

There are NO Mopar muscle cars that can be restored for under sale value when you just sit back and write the checks.

[edl0944]

i have just joined the forum and am pretty dissapointed with the comments so far. It seems that there is a rather high number of Grumpy Old Men  on this one which need  to "get a life" other than passing on low class comments. Anyway I am not sure how to delete my membership in this forum but i will certainly try. Good bye 

[Homerr]

Wow, some people can't stand the heat!    ...or some friendly banter.

[ws23rt]

The discussion about value is an important one and needs to be addressed. This wouldn't  be necessary if the market didn't change.  

I see two groups here with a wide field in between them. Those that are in this to make money---Good luck---and those that have a passion for chargers and will spend countless hours (enjoying it) restoring or fixing their car.

Seeing a car come back from the dead and having done it oneself is the reward. Some may be a bit anal about keeping records of parts, metal work progress, assembly etc. But I suspect that very few keep track of their time.

Consider any number of hobbies -- Wood craft--painting-- gardening--playing golf. Where is the pay off in those?

Since the most frequent question that comes up here is what's it worth I see it appropriate to give the best answer. That answer should be critical and honest. It has value to those that ask because they are not yet sure about what they are doing/the bigger piucture. If they were they would not be asking.  Being less than honest would be potentially cruel.

Is it not true that this site is to help all that have questions as well as a place to chat?

So edl0944--sorry you are disappointed with the comments so far and yes there are some grumpy old men here. They are also a slice of life which includes a variety of humor that may only be understood by spending time reading the posts. Not sure how long you have been looking in here but I suspect not long.

[chargerperson]

There are plenty of people who get their hands dirty who could restore this car under the sale value. It's just that they would be paying themselves about 40 cents an hour. 

There are NO Mopar muscle cars that can be restored for under sale value when you just sit back and write the checks.

RallyeMike
I agree with your comment and I have to admit I am one of those people who are "sit[ting] back and writ[ing] checks" for a restoration.  I really like the cars and that is my only alternative.  I am sure I will be out a lot money when the work is done but I will have a cool car that I have always wanted and couldn't afford when I was younger that would have taken me decades to complete on my own now as I have full time job with two kids.  I tried the friend of a friend route to save $ but after that experience all I had was a bad car and two less friends.  Finally restoring that car (67 Charger)

Not sure what the opening poster was expecting.

[hemi-hampton]

 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=32429;sa=showPosts

[1974dodgecharger]

Wow, some people can't stand the heat!    ...or some friendly banter.

they cant stand the heat because they cant make any money.....if they could then they would stay.  Turbin friend is right.....you be well into the 70k plus range finally to get it back to its glory days and even then.....

OP just does not like it when he talks to people who are know something about the charger...he/she would rather talk to someone who knows very little and only sees whats on BJ, movies, etc.......

[hemi-hampton]

You gotta have thick skin to survive in here, I've been verbally abused a few times in here.

[stripedelete]

Wow, some people can't stand the heat!    ...or some friendly banter.

Heat?  He walked through that without a scratch.

Maybe we should have handed out trophies.

[RallyeMike]

RallyeMike
I agree with your comment and I have to admit I am one of those people who are "sit[ting] back and writ[ing] checks" for a restoration.  I really like the cars and that is my only alternative.  I am sure I will be out a lot money when the work is done but I will have a cool car that I have always wanted and couldn't afford when I was younger that would have taken me decades to complete on my own now as I have full time job with two kids.  I tried the friend of a friend route to save $ but after that experience all I had was a bad car and two less friends.  Finally restoring that car (67 Charger)

...and writing checks is perfectly fine. Everyone enjoys the hobby in their own way as they are able. The important thing is that a classic gets saved and you enjoy the process and result. The cool things about bringing a car back to life by writing checks, doing yourself, or some split thereof is that you get to personalize it and own the result, and that you saved a car, as opposed to just buying one. That is worth some kudos, because it isn't easy. 

I would not pursue this particular 70 project car, but if I was looking for this particular combination of year, colors, and options I'd be pretty stoked to bring it back regardless of cost or forum opinion.

[workworkwork]

If it were all about money, then it is best to buy the nicest charger your budget can afford because then you are usually getting someone else's time for 50 cents an hour. But if you have the skills and enjoy the restoration like some people like golf then have fun with the hobby. When I was younger I might have gone for a car like this and dumped my time into it.  When you have the time and not the money you spend the time. Now I am older I like spending more time in the car driving than I do taking things apart and fixing them. I will still work on things that I can get done in a weekend. But 3 years of weekends is just too much work for me now. I would rather spend 20K and find the nicest car I could get for that much money and then do little things as I can if it isn't perfect. But if you take your time and look for a while you can still get a really nice one and not spend an insane amount of money. One way to look at is that you can go to a dealership and buy a brand new one and spend 35K and 5 years years later it will be worth 20K. Or you can find a nice 68 to 70 charger for 20K and have it be worth 25K in 5 years. Which is the better investment.

[myk]

Hey who needs that guy, right?  He's just another person looking to resurrect another rare Charger so who cares!   

[Ghoste]

i have just joined the forum and am pretty dissapointed with the comments so far. It seems that there is a rather high number of Grumpy Old Men  on this one which need  to "get a life" other than passing on low class comments. Anyway I am not sure how to delete my membership in this forum but i will certainly try. Good bye 

So you joined in July and made one post to find the hp of a car someone was offering to sell you and then three months later posted it for sale in the wrong section and because one person didn't like the color of the seats and as an individual doesn't like projects unless they are Hemi 68"s (which you admittedly probably don't know), and for post three you call a bunch of us gumpy old men (plural) who didn't provide the comments you were seeking (I assume the comments you hoped for were offers to buy?) and now you want to leave?

[Mytur Binsdirti]

i have just joined the forum and am pretty dissapointed with the comments so far. It seems that there is a rather high number of Grumpy Old Men  on this one which need  to "get a life" other than passing on low class comments. Anyway I am not sure how to delete my membership in this forum but i will certainly try. Good bye 

So you joined in July and made one post to find the hp of a car someone was offering to sell you and then three months later posted it for sale in the wrong section and because one person didn't like the color of the seats and as an individual doesn't like projects unless they are Hemi 68"s (which you admittedly probably don't know), and for post three you call a bunch of us gumpy old men (plural) who didn't provide the comments you were seeking (I assume the comments you hoped for were offers to buy?) and now you want to leave?

Call me a grumpy old man, but the cars that are selling for 10-20K today were $2,500.00 cars 20 years ago and I just can't see spending that kind of money for something that needs so much work. Those who know me, know that I do plenty of work on cars myself and because I know my limitations, I pay for services that I know that I don't want to do or can't do.

Currently, I have two other 383 powered Chargers & to be honest, they are more of a pleasure to drive than the hemi car. But the point being made that with patience and spending a few thousand more, you can finds a much better starting point of a car. For those here who have the desire and talent to resurrect a car from a pile of rust, God bless you. I look through the restoration threads and I am in awe at some of the work that is being done by members here.  But I am of the mindset that paying more money for an original solid and mostly rust free body is better in the long run than getting involved with a 10-18K car that needs major body & frame work. 

Sorry for pissing off the O/P, but I'm just calling it as I see it.

[lukedukem]

i have just joined the forum and am pretty dissapointed with the comments so far. It seems that there is a rather high number of Grumpy Old Men  on this one which need  to "get a life" other than passing on low class comments. Anyway I am not sure how to delete my membership in this forum but i will certainly try. Good bye 

So you joined in July and made one post to find the hp of a car someone was offering to sell you and then three months later posted it for sale in the wrong section and because one person didn't like the color of the seats and as an individual doesn't like projects unless they are Hemi 68"s (which you admittedly probably don't know), and for post three you call a bunch of us gumpy old men (plural) who didn't provide the comments you were seeking (I assume the comments you hoped for were offers to buy?) and now you want to leave?

So, i read all his post too. is he a flipper. bought the car in july, now selling??

luke

[nvrbdn]

for me its a difference of what you want and what you are willing to put out to have a ride. the guys that want the perfect car will spend a ton. the guy with out pockets will get a car and patch it up themselves the best that they can for as cheap as they can. they both will end up with a car that they can go to the local cruise night and have a ball.

   it all depends on what kind of car, and the desired condition of the car you want when you show up at the cruise, that determines how much cash you have to invest to accomplish the task.   

   i agree with the comments that at my age i really dont want to start another long term project. i took 16 years of a couple hours here and there to get my charger on the road. i did every task myself except for paint. its not perfect. its a 10 footer. i love the crap out of it and am having soooo much fun driving it that i wish i had pushed myself to finish it sooner. (never really done with em).

   surely what is too much work for one person is exactly right for someone else that wants to jump in the hobby and doesnt have a big roll to finance it.

[Ghoste]

And I wasn't trying to piss all over you either Mytur, I picked on you only because it seems like we are a group of grumpy old men but yours was the only comment that could be taken as not positive by my review of the thread.

[6spd68]

Hey who needs that guy, right?  He's just another person looking to resurrect another rare Charger so who cares!   

Technically, OP is not one of those guys.  He's merely offing what he has. 

Not that there's anything wrong with it, too each is own.  Even though he'll likely not read this, he'd probably score about 12K in Canada for that car.  I've seen worse posted for more money, but who knows what they ended up selling for.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

And I wasn't trying to piss all over you either Mytur, I picked on you only because it seems like we are a group of grumpy old men but yours was the only comment that could be taken as not positive by my review of the thread.

Trust me, I am not easily offended. I'm just stating my position in what I look for in an old Charger. I fully understand that many others here don't have my high standards, ability, vast knowledge, and endless fortune and are mere paupers in comparison to the great being that is me.  

[F8-4life]

An interesting observation, people usually quote a huge $$ amount that represents a quality full resto of a project.
What about a driver? What about just getting it roadworthy and cruising around in a rust bucket?
These are options too and are way cheaper and just as fun

[6spd68]

Personally, I wouldn't make a driver out of an R/T car.  That's what 318's are for 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

An interesting observation, people usually quote a huge $$ amount that represents a quality full resto of a project.
What about a driver? What about just getting it roadworthy and cruising around in a rust bucket?
These are options too and are way cheaper and just as fun

I recently bought a 68 383 Charger with the express purpose of it being  a nice presentable driver quality car. It needs an exterior paint job (screw the jambs, trunk & engine compartment) and some TLC, but once it's done, I want to be able to drive & enjoy it for what it is.

[F8-4life]

An interesting observation, people usually quote a huge $$ amount that represents a quality full resto of a project.
What about a driver? What about just getting it roadworthy and cruising around in a rust bucket?
These are options too and are way cheaper and just as fun

I recently bought a 68 383 Charger with the express purpose of it being  a nice presentable driver quality car. It needs an exterior paint job (screw the jambs, trunk & engine compartment) and some TLC, but once it's done, I want to be able to drive & enjoy it for what it is.

Thats a great way to enjoy these cars, and a driver 383 is a little less worry then driving a original hemi car I'm sure.

[Ghoste]

I fully understand that many others here don't have my high standards, ability, vast knowledge, and endless fortune and are mere paupers in comparison to the great being that is me.  

You forgot the harem.  A lot of people are jealous of the harem even if they won't say it.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Wishing for this harem......






But reality is this.....

[stripedelete]

Approximately 3 rows up, 4th from the right.   Is she taking a dump?

[chargerperson]

I was curious to see where this car ended up....

$16,100, reserve not met with 3.5 hours to go in the auction