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Factory disc - hose brackets ?

Started by Canadian1968, October 17, 2014, 08:59:31 PM

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Canadian1968

In my manual there is picture of the bendix disc setup. It has a bracket that bolts to the caliper , the bracket is for the flex line and the a small hard line that goes to the caliper.  What is the purpose of that ? Why can the flex line not go directly into the caliper ?? Because that's how mine was when I pulled it off!

HeavyFuel


ws23rt

That's an interesting question. :scratchchin:
It may be their because of two different types of calipers available and a way for the flex hose to fit both types. :shruggy:

Canadian1968

Well then, it's going to go back how it was ! I am not going to track down those brackets if they have no real purpose !

hemi71x

Quote from: Canadian1968 on October 18, 2014, 06:10:43 PM
Well then, it's going to go back how it was ! I am not going to track down those brackets if they have no real purpose !


Those brackets are easy to come by, these days.
They are being repoped.
Somebody on this site sells them.
Do your own homework, research on that.
Also the caliper hard lines are repoped.
Everything's available for them.

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hemi71x

Quote from: ws23rt on October 17, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
That's an interesting question. :scratchchin:
It may be their because of two different types of calipers available and a way for the flex hose to fit both types. :shruggy:


There is only ONE type of caliper manufactured, used, on the 66-69 B Body line of cars.
BENDIX 4 piston calipers, nothing else.

RF-4C Phantom 69-370 Zweibrucken, Germany

Lord Warlock

the recent calipers i got (at orielly auto parts)to replace my original calipers did not have the holes tapped on the outer side of caliper to hold the bracket on, so I had to do mine without the brackets.  its possible that could be why someone didn't put them on. 
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hemi71x

Quote from: Lord Warlock on October 19, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
the recent calipers i got (at orielly auto parts)to replace my original calipers did not have the holes tapped on the outer side of caliper to hold the bracket on, so I had to do mine without the brackets.  its possible that could be why someone didn't put them on.  


Ya, that could be, but easy enough to drill and tap, the head of the caliper bolts for the bracket.

Or keep the original bolts out of the calipers, if your turning in the old ones, as cores.

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hemi71x


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ws23rt

Quote from: hemi71x on October 19, 2014, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: ws23rt on October 17, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
That's an interesting question. :scratchchin:
It may be their because of two different types of calipers available and a way for the flex hose to fit both types. :shruggy:


There is only ONE type of caliper manufactured, used, on the 66-69 B Body line of cars.
BENDIX 4 piston calipers, nothing else.



:2thumbs:  Thanks for the correction.

hemi71x

Here's a picture of a Bendix caliper, with the bracket attached to the caliper bolts, if it's of any help to the original poster.
Something that i had in the picture files, in the computer.

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Canadian1968

Yes I have 68 bendix setup. I would like to keep it for originality sake, it's not the most common setup. My bolts are tapped for the addition bolts to hold the bracket .  The car is not going to be a factory resto by any means. I was simply trying to find out if there was some sort of safety reason behind the brackets. 

From Canada so that 30$ probably quickly turns into about $60 plus lines ect. $100 pretty  quick I would think.

That money will go towards the new gasket/ seals for the calipers themselves !!


hemi71x

To bad you didn't live near the border, and use a USA shipping address to get parts.
Ah, the trials and tribulations of living up in Canada when needing to get parts from the USA, due to mailing costs, import fees, and anything else they ding you for.

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Canadian1968

Quote from: hemi71x on October 19, 2014, 06:41:53 PM
To bad you didn't live near the border, and use a USA shipping address to get parts.
Ah, the trials and tribulations of living up in Canada when needing to get parts from the USA, due to mailing costs, import fees, and anything else they ding you for.


I actually do use this trick , but it actually takes a bit of planning to make the minimum 3 hour worth while . Save $30-50 is quickly eaten up in gas and just plain time for the trip!! Not to mention the dollar is on it way back down. When it was at par it was pretty nice !!!

Although I have to point out I just picked up some rear splash shields for my front fenders from rock auto . I paid $37 a piece for these shipping , duty , tax and even a driver side shock support late bill was $240 . I look on national moparts site for something unrelated .... I see they are selling the same pair of the splash shields for $250........ wTF that's not including tax and shipping..... No way you can justify that AMD or not .

ws23rt

Quote from: Canadian1968 on October 19, 2014, 06:27:28 PM
Yes I have 68 bendix setup. I would like to keep it for originality sake, it's not the most common setup. My bolts are tapped for the addition bolts to hold the bracket .  The car is not going to be a factory resto by any means. I was simply trying to find out if there was some sort of safety reason behind the brackets.  

From Canada so that 30$ probably quickly turns into about $60 plus lines ect. $100 pretty  quick I would think.

That money will go towards the new gasket/ seals for the calipers themselves !!




Your original question remains.  Why were the brackets engineered? :shruggy:

hemi71x




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Your original question remains.  Why were the brackets engineered? :shruggy:
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As a connection point for the hard line of the caliper, to the flex line, rubber hose.

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ws23rt

Quote from: hemi71x on October 19, 2014, 08:35:46 PM





Your original question remains.  Why were the brackets engineered? :shruggy:
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As a connection point for the hard line of the caliper, to the flex line, rubber hose.
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Of course that's what it's for.   But a direct connection to the caliper would and does work just fine.---The original question---

hemi71x

Your gonna need to talk to the designing engineers that worked for Bendix, Budd, Kelsey Hayes, back in the day.
But I'm sure they are long dead by now.
Mopar used some sort of metal bracket to use as a connection point, between the hard line of the caliper, and the flex line, rubber hose.
Why, who knows, that's they way they wanted it, and designed the system as such.

Now Ford, is a whole nuther matter, with their Kelsey Hayes 4 piston calipers, on their Mustangs, Thunderbirds, and their other models.
Their rubber flex lines screw right into the bottom of the caliper, and don't use a hard metal line.
Again, why, who knows, that's what the Ford designers wanted, and then thats the way Kelsey Hayes did the calipers for Ford.

Are we going to loose any sleep over it, from 50 years ago?



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ws23rt

I propose a possibility for the intention of the bracket.

The small flare connection is engineered to seal and may not be reliable with constant/repeated flexing. :shruggy: :Twocents:

ws23rt

Quote from: hemi71x on October 19, 2014, 08:58:30 PM
Your gonna need to talk to the designing engineers that worked for Bendix, Budd, Kelsey Hayes, back in the day.
But I'm sure they are long dead by now.
Mopar used some sort of metal bracket to use as a connection point, between the hard line of the caliper, and the flex line, rubber hose.
Why, who knows, that's they way they wanted it, and designed the system as such.

Now Ford, is a whole nuther matter, with their Kelsey Hayes 4 piston calipers, on their Mustangs, Thunderbirds, and their other models.
Their rubber flex lines screw right into the bottom of the caliper, and don't use a hard metal line.
Again, why, who knows, that's what the Ford designers wanted, and then thats the way Kelsey Hayes did the calipers for Ford.

Are we going to loose any sleep over it, from 50 years ago?





:2thumbs:  This is not a point of contention.  I am one of those that wonder why things are the way they are and curious about original intent.
It could very well be that Bendix provided the bracket and dodge just plumbed to it. :shruggy: :cheers: