Reward for my VIN, fender tag, and title

[Old Moparz]

Glad to see someone saved photos so a record of this car exists.   

From what I gather the car was traded for another hot rod and at the time still had a dash so it should of still had the vin on it. Still not certain the tags got sold alone on eBay or with the car. all I have is a photo of the items from an eBay auction. Tags should have never left the car is all I'm saying.
  Thanks for the help guys

It's simple as to why the tags were removed & sold after seeing the photos of this car. For the buyer it's cheaper than fixing that car so you can claim to be a Hemi owner, & for the seller there is a big profit margin on removing two screws & drilling two rivets.

[moparnation74]

From what I gather the car was traded for another hot rod and at the time still had a dash so it should of still had the vin on it. Still not certain the tags got sold alone on eBay or with the car. all I have is a photo of the items from an eBay auction. Tags should have never left the car is all I'm saying.
  Thanks for the help guys

Too many what if's? And specualtion with no actual proof.  I agree, when you say, "Tags should have never left the car."  Possible, when it was traded for that hot rod that person rebodied it and sold the shell.  However, when you purchase a car knowing that these are missing, these are the risks invovled.  Good luck on your quest!

[Dreamcar]

I really curious to know what happens from a legal standpoint if the other party is located...On one side, there's a guy with a 68 Charger shell, and on the other side there's a guy with a title, VIN, and tag possibly attached to another car.

Now what happens?   

[Homerr]

I really curious to know what happens from a legal standpoint if the other party is located...On one side, there's a guy with a 68 Charger shell, and on the other side there's a guy with a title, VIN, and tag possibly attached to another car.

Now what happens?   

I would think that the state troopers would have to inspect the car for the body stamped VIN.  The rebody would get the VIN/fender tag confiscated and get a rebuild VIN/title and maybe some fraud charges for the owner too?   

Hopefully typars would be contacted and get the VIN/fender tag back then. 

Best of luck finding the tags typars!

[Dreamcar]

I know that 68s shells are stamped with body numbers and not VINs. The pictures of the fender tag does't show the VIN from what I see, just the body number.

So for 68, you have the shell and tag that match, and VIN and title that match. But how do you put it all together to show its from the same car?  Just curious. 

[Indygenerallee]

That's a mess I would not want to be part of, Whoever owns those tags and title now owns "your" Charger, that's one reason I refuse to buy any car without a title and a written statement from said party whoever name that is on the title, that it was sold to myself on XX date and XX price and have both parties sign it. If everyone bought and sold like that we would not have situations like these  best of luck!

[charger_fan_4ever]

I really curious to know what happens from a legal standpoint if the other party is located...On one side, there's a guy with a 68 Charger shell, and on the other side there's a guy with a title, VIN, and tag possibly attached to another car.

Now what happens?   

I would think that the state troopers would have to inspect the car for the body stamped VIN.  The rebody would get the VIN/fender tag confiscated and get a rebuild VIN/title and maybe some fraud charges for the owner too?   

Hopefully typars would be contacted and get the VIN/fender tag back then. 

Best of luck finding the tags typars!

Should be the way, but has this ever actually happened in any case?

[Ghoste]

Yes.  I don't recall the specifics but it has happened.

[EccentricMagpies]

I'm not sure what state you are in but have you looked into a surety bond title?  It would be one way to ensure you are not screwed out of your car for what you have in it so far.  

And, I beleive, after you have owned it 5 years (wisconsin anyway) from obtaining this title the other title becomes void.  You would have to look into it some because I'm sure every state is different.

this is my understanding...  perhaps this is not an option for a known title sold on the internet.

[sdweatherman]

I know that 68s shells are stamped with body numbers and not VINs. The pictures of the fender tag does't show the VIN from what I see, just the body number.

So for 68, you have the shell and tag that match, and VIN and title that match. But how do you put it all together to show its from the same car?  Just curious. 

Yes, that is a sticky situation. No vin on 68 fender tags, only body number. VIN and eng/trans numbers should match if original drivetrain survives. Only way to tie the shell/fender tag to the VIN/drivetrain is to have some original paperwork - like the buildsheet. This will be a tough one to work out.

[EccentricMagpies]

I know that 68s shells are stamped with body numbers and not VINs. The pictures of the fender tag does't show the VIN from what I see, just the body number.

So for 68, you have the shell and tag that match, and VIN and title that match. But how do you put it all together to show its from the same car?  Just curious. 

Yes, that is a sticky situation. No vin on 68 fender tags, only body number. VIN and eng/trans numbers should match if original drivetrain survives. Only way to tie the shell/fender tag to the VIN/drivetrain is to have some original paperwork - like the buildsheet. This will be a tough one to work out.

Sounds like what I posted isn't an option then either if one cannot determine the VIN on the car.

[Brock Lee]

Yeah, the 68's are funny like that. Without the broadcast sheet or some sort of hard proof, you would be hard pressed to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt a VIN tag belongs to your car. The fender tag is easy, but that is the item easiest to have remade and it still doesn't tie a VIN to that body number.

[Troy]

It has been mentioned before that certain law enforcement agencies actually can tie the VIN to the body/tag numbers.

Troy

[fastmark]

Well, we agree with you for sure. The tags should have never left the body. I seriously doubt if you had anything to do with the tags and body being separated from, each other. The Feds don't like this kind of thing going on for sure. Whether or not they would like to destroy both tags and car or reunite them is something I don't know. I am sure a civil suit would be in order to straighten thing out. I hope you as an innocent party don't get hurt financially. The bottom line is someone did something illegal at one time and I'm sure the "man" could find out who. it may be too little of a deal to attract attention. The re bodied car may never surface again. Good luck. BTW if I were a judge(and I'm not) the vin tag and title would go back to the owner of the body.

[Ghoste]

Assuming there is a rebody of course.  Typars, have you been searching at other forums too?

[StoneCold]

Just posting up the vin XS29J8B370074 for google reference purposes. From looking at the vin closer and adjusting with adobe lightroom, it looks like XS29J8D370074.

[familymopar]

BTW if I were a judge(and I'm not) the vin tag and title would go back to the owner of the body.

I agree. 

What actually happens I think really depends on "how" the title was sold.  If the guy who sold the title and tags was the person named on the title, then that seller may have inadvertently sold this car at that time too.  If the seller was not the named title holder (which I think is most likely) then I think the seller and title purchaser have a problem and typars is in better shape, so long as he has a bill of sale for the car from a valid owner.  Either way it is messy and I hope typars is able to bring them all back together.

[tan top]

  TYpars  , charger is deffo  fixable  ,  wont be a quick job  or cheep , unless you can do the work your self  , from what I can see from the few pictures (UFO) found  , all or most of the inner structure has been cut a way ,  good thing  , if there is a good thing about it , most of that structure is  normally pretty much rot free on a other wise rotted out body shell . simple to un pick all the spot welds , just time consuming . then with the added parts from AMD or good used panels .
just no point in starting anything till this vin / fender tag , title deal is sorted out . 

while I really hope Typars , gets  all the stuff back  , I  honestly  think that the tags & title have been used to rebody another charger !!  & being that its a  hemi car , its in some ones private collection hidden away somewhere , & it wont  see the light of day again for  who knows 
or  its been rebodied & sold to another country .

  if the  rebodied charger turns up wearing Typars  vin etc  ,  think it will get messy  ,  &  be a lot of legal messing about , but Typars has the original car , & proof he bought it I would of thought ,   & dare say he will or should get the vin & fender tag back , but only after ,  lot of legal stuff  , bit like recovered stolen property I would of thought 

[Dreamcar]

  TYpars  , charger is deffo  fixable  ,  wont be a quick job  or cheep , unless you can do the work your self  , from what I can see from the few pictures (UFO) found  , all or most of the inner structure has been cut a way ,  good thing  , if there is a good thing about it , most of that structure is  normally pretty much rot free on a other wise rotted out body shell . simple to un pick all the spot welds , just time consuming . then with the added parts from AMD or good used panels .
just no point in starting anything till this vin / fender tag , title deal is sorted out . 

while I really hope Typars , gets  all the stuff back  , I  honestly  think that the tags & title have been used to rebody another charger !!  & being that its a  hemi car , its in some ones private collection hidden away somewhere , & it wont  see the light of day again for  who knows 
or  its been rebodied & sold to another country .

  if the  rebodied charger turns up wearing Typars  vin etc  ,  think it will get messy  ,  &  be a lot of legal messing about , but Typars has the original car , & proof he bought it I would of thought ,   & dare say he will or should get the vin & fender tag back , but only after ,  lot of legal stuff  , bit like recovered stolen property I would of thought 

You would think that someone who buys a hemi car would know there stuff enough to check the body numbers to make sure its not a rebody   we're talking big money here.

[Ghoste]

If it was sold.

[typars]

The hard part about buying a 1968 or earlier the body #s don't match the vin so you ether have to take the persons word or have it certified witch could take longer than most people would like to wait .

PS Still not wanting to spend a lot of money on the car till this mess is all cleared up but I went ahead and got a parts car ( shell ) with all the inner structure in great shape for only $400. I shure this might not make some happy but I intend on leaving the fender flairs on and going back with the same paint scheme.

[tan top]

 TYpars  , charger is deffo  fixable  ,  wont be a quick job  or cheep , unless you can do the work your self  , from what I can see from the few pictures (UFO) found   , all or most of the inner structure has been cut a way ,  good thing  , if there is a good thing about it , most of that structure is  normally pretty much rot free on a other wise rotted out body shell . simple to un pick all the spot welds , just time consuming . then with the added parts from AMD or good used panels .
just no point in starting anything till this vin / fender tag , title deal is sorted out .  

while I really hope Typars , gets  all the stuff back  , I  honestly  think that the tags & title have been used to rebody another charger !!  & being that its a  hemi car , its in some ones private collection hidden away somewhere , & it wont  see the light of day again for  who knows  
or  its been rebodied & sold to another country .

 if the  rebodied charger turns up wearing Typars  vin etc  ,  think it will get messy  ,  &  be a lot of legal messing about , but Typars has the original car , & proof he bought it I would of thought ,   & dare say he will or should get the vin & fender tag back , but only after ,  lot of legal stuff  , bit like recovered stolen property I would of thought  

You would think that someone who buys a hemi car would know there stuff enough to check the body numbers to make sure its not a rebody  we're talking big money here.

yes you would of thought so , but !! anyone who has worked in a good  body/ paint shop , knows what can be done , & someone with extensive Knowledge of mopars , who is a skilled body & paint guy  ,  can do all sorts of stuff  behind closed doors ,  that would fool lots of experts .

no offence meant to anyone 

[typars]

True that

[Patronus]

7 pages and I gotta wonder, how is it even possible those items were sold...together..on a public site like eBay? I'm no expert, but that is some sketchy shit right there. My friend tried selling half a jar of peanut-butter and they took it down... How is it even possible?

[moparnation74]

7 pages and I gotta wonder, how is it even possible those items were sold...together..on a public site like eBay? I'm no expert, but that is some sketchy shit right there. My friend tried selling half a jar of peanut-butter and they took it down... How is it even possible?

TRUE THAT!