Bearing in steering column

[keith88]

My steering wheel will move up and down as well as left to right and i believe its the upper bearing in the column,how easy is this to do ? I am gathering info on this and intend to do at the end of the season. And where would one buy one? Its a column shift that is no longer used.

[Nacho-RT74]

I think more you have a fail on the Snap ring/C clip setup, being out of the shaft groove, than the bearing itself.

These Snap ring and C clips is what actually keeps in place the shaft, using the bearing like a seat against the column collar. If these rings are not on grooves, the full shaft will be playing all around since the bearing will be out of place.

Steering bearing is a piece hard to beat really

[keith88]

I think more you have a fail on the Snap ring/C clip setup, being out of the shaft groove, than the bearing itself.

These Snap ring and C clips is what actually keeps in place the shaft, using the bearing like a seat against the column collar. If these rings are not on grooves, the full shaft will be playing all around since the bearing will be out of place.

Steering bearing is a piece hard to beat really

That sounds like what it might be . I looked at some drawing that i have and didn't see a snap ring  assembly would you happen to have a picture or something different that i can look at.

[Nacho-RT74]

hard to visualize the assembly, but snap rings are there...

check 19-14-4 numbers... they make a sandwich with bearing and its isolator. Shaft got 2 grooves where this snap rings seats, and bearing fits tight beetwen them on to the shaft... then on to collar.

[Nacho-RT74]

not same column, this is 70 ( and later ), but they got same setup but the lock wheel and ign switch on column


there you can see both grooves in between bearing must be kept in place with the snap rings



by your description, it seems the bottom snap ring is the one loosen... although both could be

[keith88]

Can i get this locally or is it a specific part? And if it is where could i get one.

[Nacho-RT74]

well, first need to find out the problem. It can be easy as just relocate the snap ring in place without need to buy anything

[ODZKing]

Nacho helped me with mine and that is exactly what it was except mine was moving in and out of the column.
Mine is a 73 and the clips look like this.  They may have gotten weak and slipped off the groove.
Also helps not to damage them by removing with the correct plyers if you have them to take them off but not necessary.
You can clearly see how the clip sits in the other pic.

[keith88]

Thanks for that shot it will help a lot i plan on looking at it wed.

[Nacho-RT74]

if moves left and right it can be the bearing is also loosen from column collar.

HOWEVER... I can't recall right now if there is some retainer on far bottom of the steering shaft ( engine bay side ) long time since I dissasembled mine, and this assemblied setup changed allong the years anyway. You could be getting a problem there too.

but OF COURSE it can be also the bearing said bye bye somehow!!! ( can't imagine how LOL )

[keith88]

It will move no matter what direction you move it and it really feels like its a upper column issue.

[keith88]

This is what i found something dont look right like the bearing is the wrong one,  can any one tell me if the bearing is the wrong one or is it just broke i dont have any idea what it is suppose to look like. but i do know that this isn't right.

[keith88]

After looking into it more looks like I'm missing the insulator piece that goes around the bearing, and cant seem to find one so i will have to improvise.

[Back N Black]

The upper bearing and insulator, I think is still to be available from Mopar.  P/N's are 2265656  and 2925491.

[Nacho-RT74]

MMMM I don't think the insulator is THAT thick to fill that gap.I'm clear the gap we can see is larger because shaft/bearing is tottaly down so insulator must be half of that visible gap... I have had in my hands and doesn't seems to be really that thick

[ODZKing]

I thought I had a pic of mine but I can't find it.
The bearing is open, so since the column sits at an angle, crap could potentially fall into the bearing. All the "insulator" is, is a a rubber boot that goes over the bearing.
Those part numbers are correct and the bearing is available from Chrysler since they used them through 1990 in trucks.
The insulator doesn't seem to be however unless it superseeds or is now part of the bearing pkg which is possible.
It already superseeded once from 2265658. Probably a sealed bearing now.  $10 will fix ya up!

http://www.moparpartsamerica.com/parts/1990/Dodge/B150/Base?siteid=214583&vehicleid=71708&diagram=T036133&diagramCallOut=4

[ODZKing]

http://moparonlineparts.com/repair-parts.php
Search 2265656 - it says assembly.  I'm guessing it is one piece now.

[keith88]

I looked and could not find the correct part. However I was able to improvise as i said and used a piece of phone wire, it fit the space nicely and im sure it will work good seeing that the insulator is made out of a similar material. Might even be better having it wire enforced ,the wheel is nice and tight now like it should be.Here's a couple shots:


 

[tan top]

for reference , this is the part

[keith88]

Thanks for that picture ,what is it made out of?

[tan top]

Thanks for that picture ,what is it made out of?

long time ago since I took my column apart ,  from what I can remember it was sort of a rubber-ish plastic-ish  , very thin, easily deformable  ( not a very good description I know )  if that makes sense , with a ordinary staple in it (  type that is  used to staple paper /  typed or written  letters together)  ,  the metal staple is  to stop the insulator spinning in the housing !!  apparently    



there is a thread on here that shows the staple & rubber insulator ,  but not found it as of yet  

[tan top]

 found the thread ,  sorry but no pictures , ! thought sure there was though , my mistake 


 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,83335.0.html

[Nacho-RT74]

is simply rubber.

[Nacho-RT74]

note, about the link to thread posted... mine got a staple on it too

[keith88]

Funny cant see a staple in the picture. But oh well mine fit so tight that i used a blade of a screwdriver to push it in place so I'm not to worried about spinning the bearing still works well so there isn't much pressure on it to spin. It cant be pushed though the back and it cant come out the top there is a plate over it to keep that from happening time will tell. Thanks for the help guys well see if i invented a new fix for this issue.

[tan top]

 not been able to find a staple picture either  , but have altered a picture off the internet below !  staple is the grey line  

[keith88]

Thanks for the illustration hard to believe that that stops it from spinning. 

[clemul]

Staple is not to keep isolator from spinning. It is a ground for the horn and if you leave it out your horn will not work.

[keith88]

I don't have it and the horn works fine. And i cant see where it would stop it from spinning either there is no pressure on it to spin it spins on the bearing not on the outside insulator piece.

[clemul]

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p1.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p2.jpg

[keith88]

OK proved your point ..but i still don't have it,matter of fact i don't even have the insulator in place i used a section of old flat phone cord to fill the gap and the horn works fine.

[Nacho-RT74]

Staple is not to keep isolator from spinning. It is a ground for the horn and if you leave it out your horn will not work.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p1.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p2.jpg

Damn really interesting!!!

[tan top]

Staple is not to keep isolator from spinning. It is a ground for the horn and if you leave it out your horn will not work.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p1.jpg

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1967/D67-19-4%20p2.jpg

Damn really interesting!!!

   
good find     interesting     !  

thinking now , where I read it about to stop the rubber insulator / bushing  spinning