not a million dollar cuda but

[polywideblock]

seems to have a very interesting history and cheap compared to what there asking for cudas these days        http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Challenger-R-T-426-hemi-r-t-challenger-shaker-convertible-1971-4-speed-manual-plum-crazy-/271586111673?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f3bcb30b9&item=271586111673&pt=US_Cars_Trucks



       

[Troy]

It's not "cheap" - it's overpriced. It may be rare and unique but it ain't a factory Hemi so it's not going to command the same price as one.

Troy

[charger_fan_4ever]

Whats a clean 71 383 vert go for ? 60k ?

Whatever the price add $20k for a hemi that is what its worth imo. Nothing anywhere near 500k.

[Indygenerallee]

Wow I have never seen headers like that!?

[tan top]

Wow I have never seen headers like that!?

they sort of remind  me  , of the  back in the day  Grand national ( nascar )  hemi headers  ,

[Aero426]

Ford had headers with a collector something like that for the NASCAR Boss 429.

[polywideblock]

426 Hemi R/T Challenger Shaker Convertible 1971

RARE RARE ONE-OF-A-KIND
May Be ONLY ONE Known to EXIST


This very special 1971 Hemi Challenger Convertible with a scheduled production date of Wednesday, May 26, 1971, left the assembly plant in Hamtramck, MI with a 383 Four-Barrel Engine.  At its time of purchase from Claude R Short Dodge, Inc. in Santa Monica, CA, the original purchaser ordered a FACTORY 426 HEMI ENGINE through the dealership from Chrysler Corporation and it was installed by Claude R Short Dodge, Inc. before taking delivery of the vehicle.  An Addendum to the original Dodge window sticker for the 426 Hemi Engine was authorized by Chrysler Corporation and added by the dealership.

The original window sticker and the original addendum along with a copy of the original broadcast sheet comes with the car.

This 1971 Hemi Challenger Convertible had a complete rotisserie restoration in 2003 and has been stored in a climate-controlled facility since its restoration.  Also included in this vehicle's portfolio are restoration receipts from 2003 as well as original 1971 dealership advertisements and operator's manual, wiring diagram manual, "Illustrated Facts and Features Manual" and an original 1971 Dodge "Scat Pack" brochure featuring the wild tubes exhaust headers.

 Included as well are Chrysler Corporation warranties and exclusions for the 426 cu in "maximum performance" Hemi engine, tire warranties, engine starting instructions tag, other informational tags pertaining to the 426 engine, fender tag decoding lists, letter from Galen V Govier stating that the 1971 383-4BBL DODGE Challenger Convertible VIN JH27N1B405248 is now in the Chrysler Registry and is number 29 of only 31 built in sequence of 1971 383-4BBL DODGE Challenger Convertible's registered, that sold new in the USA.  This is truly an exceptional representation of the Classic-Muscle Car of its day!  

This 1971 Hemi Challenger R/T 4-Speed Convertible was decoded and certified by Galen V Govier on January 30, 2003 and is in the Chrysler Registry!

This beautiful Hemi Challenger presents a rare opportunity to be included in anyone's special and unique collection!


Asking $495,000.00
Worldwide shipping available

I'd herd of dealer installed air con     but a hemi with factory docs to prove it    

pics

[TUFCAT]

Those headers remind me of the fingers on the "Grinch" 

[ws23rt]

This is an interesting case for someone collecting the oddball stuff.

It also brings into the mix the value of REAL documentation.  Inspecting the car will (or does) show it to be a clone hemi car but the paper trail gives it a unique position.

Let's say this car is extra special because of the circumstance. (collectors are an odd group). I would expect that the documentation is a key part of this.  That thought leads to the need for the documents to be real (not fabricated).

So in this case the car was born something other than what it is and that's a collector negative.  But if the dealer made changes to meet the buyers desire before delivery and all appropriate documentation proved that than the buyer took possession of a new car as he ordered it --  

This is of course a string of technicalities but some like the odd stuff to the point of paying mega bucks for it.

OK--back to my reason for posting---If the potential extra value depends heavily on a few pieces of paper than the value of those pieces of paper is clear.  If it becomes common for identifying documents to be fabricated than that would tend to reduce their value as a factor in an appraisal. And this car would be just another clone.

So for those out there that feel the need to generate fake paperwork for whatever reason, your short term potential gain dilutes the pool we all swim in.  And it causes cynicism.  We are all worse off because of it.

[Indygenerallee]

I have done some looking and it looks like those are Hooker "wild tubes" headers.

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[Mytur Binsdirti]

When I see stuff like the whole undercarriage painted black (including the gas tank & straps), painted upper control arm cams & GM convolute tubing over the wiring, it just screames hack job. To ask the kind of money he is asking is totally absurd. 

[tan top]

  yes I thought that  about the  plastic  wiring covers & black out underside  , also the  painted camber / casting adjuster bolts etc   , in the engine bay &  door striker ,  battery cut off , its on the wrong post too .   IF     its was worth that asking price     , it should be 100% correct OEM . save for the dealer installed stuff & how they installed it .

[Ghoste]

I don't like the phrase "Chrysler authorized" about the dealer addendum, once it's delivered I doubt Chrysler much gave a rats ass beyond warranty issues.  Is there other proof it was done at the dealer?

[tan top]

 guess my suspicious mind   is working over time  ,   that dealers label , has anyone seen one before ? why would it be typed out on one , surly it would be just on a invoice from the selling dealer / service department  ,  & whats been done hand written with the part numbers of parts added , not option codes  ,  in the appropriate boxes etc ,
    surly there would of been a long    long   list of all the parts & part numbers   & the price  with tax & labor at the bottom  ,    don't even see a HEMI K frame  under there  , wonder what they used for  motor mounts  

could see a sticker like that being made , & put along side the normal window sticker , if the dealer ordered it & built it  for the show room or promotional stuff etc  , but  not for a sold car  

 

no offence meant to the seller !  if you are reading this     awesome car , good luck with the sale  

 !! i'm just curious , about how Chrysler / mopar / dealers  went about stuff back in the day  

[Ghoste]

And if the seller is reading this, by all means follow the turbanized ones advice and get rid of the horrid plastic convoluted tubing crap.

[Windsor]

Very pretty car. Love the headers. Not worth the $ IMO, but to each his own.

[polywideblock]

isn't the totally black underside part of the dealer installed j55  undercoating   

I don't think its worth 500K either but it is  a unique piece of mopar history   
still a very nice car ,so what is it really worth ?   

[TUFCAT]

I don't like the phrase "Chrysler authorized" about the dealer addendum, once it's delivered I doubt Chrysler much gave a rats ass beyond warranty issues.  

100% correct.  Chrysler never authorized anything on this conversion....because a dealership is an independent business - they are not Chrysler!  I believe there's been an entire thread devoted to this subject recently.  

[AKcharger]

8 3/4 with a hemi 4 spd??

[6bblgt]

window sticker is not an original & addendum is not authentic 

[TUFCAT]

Where's Dave Walden from ECS when you need him? 

[JB400]

 

Where's Dave Walden from ECS when you need him? 

[wingcar]

Really?  I hear that the seller will include the title to a bridge in Brooklyn to the buyer.

(That much for a clone, and it doesn't even have a Dana rearend?)

[myk]

What's wrong with plastic wiring covers?   

[BananaDan]

I've never actually read one of Galen's letters before but jeez. An english teacher would light that thing up with a red pen.  Also, what does he mean by 29 of 31 in sequence and why is that significant?

[BananaDan]

Another thing I noticed, if Galen's letter says no R/T convertibles were produced in 71, shouldn't there be R/T striping and decal options listed on the dealer addendum?  I see a lot of options added but nothing mentioning R/T badging/decals/stripes.  Not only does the car wear them now but moving it to a Hemi would have required it to be an R/T, right?

[Ghoste]

What's wrong with plastic wiring covers?   

They look like crap.  Its a GM thing.

[TUFCAT]

6bbl, I'd like to know more about the paper trail. It does look suspicious for the reason the dealer decided to list individual option sales code numbers on the addendum sheet, along with (what appears to be) MSRP prices.  Where did they pull those odd prices from?

[pettybird]

isn't the totally black underside part of the dealer installed j55  undercoating   

Yes and no.  The rear suspension, fuel tank and other big components weren't sprayed.  Some stuff was there already but this is a crime of Krylon proportions.  

Also, what does he mean by 29 of 31 in sequence and why is that significant?

It's #29 of the 31 he's been told about.  As for the second part, a quote from Dark Helmet:  "Absolutely nothing, which is what you are about to become."

window sticker is not an original & addendum is not authentic 

Would you mind enlightening us?  In all seriousness ECS Dave's input here would be more than welcomed.

I believe there's been an entire thread devoted to this subject recently.  

[pettybird]

I'd like to know more about that paper tail since 6bbl brought it up. It does look suspicious.  I don't have a clue why a dealer lists individual option code numbers on an addendum sheet, along with what appears to be MSRP prices.

Well *I* would be that nerdy, but it would have cost a TON more to install a Hemi than $780...that's less than the parts counter price on a 427/425 long block from Motion in the same time frame (I got a pile of old NY/NJ magazines a while back--don't ask.)  

It was like $125 for the wheel/tire upgrade to 15" rallyes, too.  Tires alone had to be $30 each back then, as did the wheels.  

[TUFCAT]

Now I'm A SERIOUS DOUBTER.

I did some research, and I was correct....

This addendum has the EXACT Sales Codes and factory Retail MSRP prices.

E74 - Hemi engine $789.95
N96 - Shaker Hood $114.20* (I think was standard with a Hemi Challenger for 71)
J45  - Hood pins $15.20
W21 - 15" Rallye Wheels $154.35** ( This is not factory MSRP - it was actually $54.35 so they arbitrarily add $100 for tires?)
J46  -  Flip-open  GasCap $7.75
W34-  Collapsable spare $12.55
J55 -  Undercoating $20.80
J41 -  Pedal Dress-up $5.40
G33 and G31 - Chrome racing mirrors driver and passenger side $25.75***  (each option costs $14.95 and $10.80 respectively)

Instead of the Dealer going through trouble of listing the retail sales codes (that only apply to the factory) why not list the part cost and labor cost seperately? I would expect to see some parts and labor breakdowns before I saw factory MSRP prices applied to an addendum.  Any dealer wants to make money that's why I believe they would they would usually charge "one price" for the entire upgrade and only list what's included with the deal....(the factory MSRP goes right out the window because dealer cost for each part is far more than the window sticker reflects).  To make a decent profit, they need to bleed the customer for as much $$ as possible...

IMO an average dealer wouldn't do this in 1971.....but in 2014 it certainly appears to be a great idea to "document" owner installed options... then try to create some provenance along the way.  Yup, its a loaded car all right - - loaded with bullshit.  


I couldn't find anything on Public Law 85-806 either.  WHY?  BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY FAKE- - Just like the paper its written on!!

[pettybird]

(operator error on my part)

[6bblgt]

The window sticker is missing some info that should be there: W34 was a mandatory OPTION on all e-body convertibles, no route code & I forget what else is wrong with it.  There is/was a recent thread on MOPARTS.

this is all I could find about PUBLIC LAW 85-806 - Indian Affairs & Housing 

[bill440rt]

Now I'm A SERIOUS DOUBTER.

I did some research, and I was correct....

This addendum has the EXACT Sales Codes and factory Retail MSRP prices.

E74 - Hemi engine $789.95
N96 - Shaker Hood $114.20* (I think was standard with a Hemi Challenger for 71)
J45  - Hood pins $15.20
W21 - 15" Rallye Wheels $154.35** ( This is not factory MSRP - it was actually $54.35 so they arbitrarily add $100 for tires?)
J46  -  Flip-open  GasCap $7.75
W34-  Collapsable spare $12.55
J55 -  Undercoating $20.80
J41 -  Pedal Dress-up $5.40
G33 and G31 - Chrome racing mirrors driver and passenger side $25.75***  (each option costs $14.95 and $10.80 respectively)

Instead of the Dealer going through trouble of listing the retail sales codes (that only apply to the factory) why not list the part cost and labor cost seperately? I would expect to see some parts and labor breakdowns before I saw factory MSRP prices applied to an addendum.  Any dealer wants to make money that's why I believe they would they would usually charge "one price" for the entire upgrade and only list what's included with the deal....(the factory MSRP goes right out the window because dealer cost for each part is far more than the window sticker reflects).  To make a decent profit, they need to bleed the customer for as much $$ as possible...

IMO an average dealer wouldn't do this in 1971.....but in 2014 it certainly appears to be a great idea to "document" owner installed options... then try to create some provenance along the way.  Yup, its a loaded car all right - - loaded with bullshit.  


I couldn't find anything on Public Law 85-806 either.  WHY?  BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY FAKE- - Just like the paper its written on!!

Check out the spelling errors on that one, too!  

Exaust - Exhaust
Filptop - Fliptop
Collapisible - Collapsible

[TUFCAT]

I can prove the addendum sticker is fake because whomever printed it made a very stupid error....

Public Law "85-806" referenced should actually be 85-506 -  DOH!!


As part of the Automobile Information Disclosure Act of 1958, Public Law 85-506 is what is commonly referred to as the Monroney Label Law named after Oklahoma congressman Mike Monroney, who sponsored the law in the late 50's.  Before the advent of the Monroney sticker, car dealers could ask whatever the hell they wanted for a new car just as they do with used cars today. Somehow the government decided that wasn't a good idea, and thus began the era of the new car window sticker.

(Pub. Law. 85-506, Sec. 4, July 7, 1958)


(a) Failure to affix required label.

Any manufacturer of automobiles distributed in commerce who
willfully fails to affix to any new automobile manufactured or
imported by him the label required by section 1232 of this title
shall be fined not more than $1,000. Such failure with respect to
each automobile shall constitute a separate offense.

(b) Failure to endorse required label

Any manufacturer of automobiles distributed in commerce who
willfully fails to endorse clearly, distinctly and legibly any
label as required by section 1232 of this title, or who makes a
false endorsement of any such label, shall be fined not more than
$1,000. Such failure or false endorsement with respect to each
automobile shall constitute a separate offense.

(c) Removal, alteration, or illegibility of required label

Any person who willfully removes, alters, or renders illegible
any label affixed to a new automobile pursuant to section 1232 of
this title, or any endorsement thereon, prior to the time that such
automobile is delivered to the actual custody and possession of the
ultimate purchaser of such new automobile, except where the
manufacturer relabels the automobile in the event the same is
rerouted, repurchased, or reacquired by the manufacturer of such
automobile, shall be fined not more than $1,000, or imprisoned not
more than one year, or both. Such removal, alteration, or
rendering illegible with respect to each automobile shall
constitute a separate offense.

[myk]

What's wrong with plastic wiring covers?   

They look like crap.  Its a GM thing.

So what are we supposed to be covering/concealing/bundling wires with? 

[Aero426]

So what are we supposed to be covering/concealing/bundling wires with? 

The colored plastic coating on the copper strands is usually good enough. 

[bill440rt]

So what are we supposed to be covering/concealing/bundling wires with?  

The colored plastic coating on the copper strands is usually good enough.  

 

Wire harness tape, cloth tape, or if you really have to cover it with something either Summit or Crutchfield sells a black mesh harness wrap/cover that is MUCH more attractive than that convoluted stuff.     Same principle, just much better looking.
But that's a topic for another thread.

[myk]

So what are we supposed to be covering/concealing/bundling wires with?  

The colored plastic coating on the copper strands is usually good enough.  

Sounds "unfinished" to me, but ok...

Wire harness tape, cloth tape, or if you really have to cover it with something either Summit or Crutchfield sells a black mesh harness wrap/cover that is MUCH more attractive than that convoluted stuff.     Same principle, just much better looking.
But that's a topic for another thread.

Learn something everyday-I'll check it out...

[tan top]

back on , bidding this time    




   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Challenger-R-T-426-hemi-r-t-challenger-shaker-convertible-1971-4-speed-manual-plum-crazy-/281427549751?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4186639e37&item=281427549751&pt=US_Cars_Trucks



old price second picture  

[polywideblock]

no stupid buy it now  price this time  ,wonder if he's seen the forums discussing his car yet