General Lee guys in California, Look Out!!!

[RECHRGD]

California has just passed a bill that bans the sale or display of the Confederate flag.  It's just waiting for Governor Moonbeam's signature.  Gotta love that state......

[Ghoste]

I thought that bs had already been done?

[ACUDANUT]

I guess we should fly a flag with O'bama face on it huh.  

[Bob T]

I guess we should fly a flag with O'bama face on it huh. 

How about a compromise, a flag with two crossed bananas. 

[RallyeMike]

I guees CA never heard of free speach? Good luck keeping that one on the books.

[familymopar]

From my reading, only "the State of California" is barred from selling these flags.  This bill would not bar individuals from displaying, selling, etc. the confederate flag.  I think the initial purpose was confederate flag sales at the state fair.  I don't think it affects individual citizens of California.  And if it did/does, it certainly won't pass constitutional muster.


http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB2444

[Ghoste]

What sickens me is that I see the confedarate flag being pushed into becoming a racist symbol by well off white liberals with a guilt complex.  They're the only ones I ever see whining about it.

[familymopar]

What sickens me is that I see the confedarate flag being pushed into becoming a racist symbol by well off white liberals with a guilt complex.  They're the only ones I ever see whining about it.

No doubt about it, but the victors get to write the story I suppose.  The loser of a war will always be demonized by the winner of the war, who get to write the history books.  Those well off white liberals with a guilt complex are a mighty voice, but I hear plenty of others decry the stars and bars as well.  Most don't know why, but they were taught that it is something that it may or may not be.

Anyway, I suppose that is about as far as I am comfortable with going in the political end of this conversation.  Suffice it to say that the General Lee guys are going to be just fine out there in California, for now.

[DTB]

Another reason to not live in California...if there wasn't enough already. Lol

[el dub]

I guess we should fly a flag with O'bama face on it huh. 

How about a compromise, a flag with two crossed bananas. 

Oh! That's nasty. I like it. Are you Russian?

[RECHRGD]

From my reading, only "the State of California" is barred from selling these flags.  This bill would not bar individuals from displaying, selling, etc. the confederate flag.  I think the initial purpose was confederate flag sales at the state fair.  I don't think it affects individual citizens of California.  And if it did/does, it certainly won't pass constitutional muster.


http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB2444

Thanks for that link.  It clears it up.  No doubt though, if that state could pass it as a general rule for the public to follow, they would.......

[myk]

I don't think much of the General Lee appearance scheme, no offense to anyone here, but just because of this latest violation of individual rights in California I am now DEFINITELY going to put a confederate flag on my roof...

[Old Moparz]

From my reading, only "the State of California" is barred from selling these flags.  This bill would not bar individuals from displaying, selling, etc. the confederate flag.  I think the initial purpose was confederate flag sales at the state fair.  I don't think it affects individual citizens of California.  And if it did/does, it certainly won't pass constitutional muster.


http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB2444

Looks like you are one of very few who read anything & didn't get your panties wadded up in your crack. 

[twodko]

All you guys are hella funny! Yep, it's true as rain. They don't call this cluster f**k state the
PRK for nothing. The ACLU and tribes of the uber wealthy ultra Libs have made this
state so "walking on eggs" you can't fart here without some jack wagon in your face about it.
From the Andy Lopez "all cops are mad dog killers" ranting morons to the asshats in Sacramento
passing laws favoring any group that's squawking about some penny ante issue because they
might look less than PC, to the laws being passed favoring the few over the wishes of the many.

Time for an American jihad on the aforementioned political jelly spines both here
in Calijokia and in congress. Just sayin' of course.

Hey NSA, am I on the watch list now for daring to write the word jihad? Pissant nazis.

[Bob T]

I guess we should fly a flag with O'bama face on it huh. 

How about a compromise, a flag with two crossed bananas. 

Oh! That's nasty. I like it. Are you Russian?

Whoa, Just about spilt my vodka and orange  no, I'm a Kiwi but I'd still like to have a beer with Tom sometime though

[TruckDriver]

I guees CA never heard of free speach? Good luck keeping that one on the books.

[twodko]

Bob T, as soon as I'm off these damned oxycodone spinal surgery meds I'll be having
a stout vodka/orange juice in your honor my friend!

[Mike DC]

  
Well, it's not like the state of Cali has any other more pressing problems that need legislating & enforcing.  Might as well invest the taxpayers' money on stuff like this.    

[ACUDANUT]

Bob T, as soon as I'm off these damned oxycodone spinal surgery meds I'll be having
a stout vodka/orange juice in your honor my friend!

That sounds like a great combo right there.

[duckmanreno]

 
Well, it's not like the state of Cali has any other more pressing problems that need legislating & enforcing.  Might as well invest the taxpayers' money on stuff like this.    

Very well said!
Moved out of there 19 years ago don't miss the silly stuff.

[troy.70R/T]

So glad I live in Missouri. I will never live in California or the north east.

[c00nhunterjoe]

I dont think the general lee is racist. I cant tell you how many black guys LOVE the car and get their pictures with it.

[Mike DC]

 
The GL is pretty much the best thing to happen to the Confederate Flag's public image in the last 50 years.   

 

[twodko]

IMO there is nothing racist about the confederate flag.

[Ghoste]

I completely agree, its only the lefties feeling guilty who are changing it into that.

[ACUDANUT]

IMO there is nothing racist about the confederate flag.

Even it is deemed racist. It's still not against the law. It's Freedom of speech.

[Mike DC]

 
The state itself has the power to decide not to sell CF merchandise anymore.  That would only mean no more CFs in govt-owned gift shops or sources.   

The state could not stop private citizens or companies from doing things with it. 

 

 

[el dub]

I guess we should fly a flag with O'bama face on it huh.  

How about a compromise, a flag with two crossed bananas.  

Oh! That's nasty. I like it. Are you Russian?

Whoa, Just about spilt my vodka and orange   no, I'm a Kiwi but I'd still like to have a beer with Tom sometime though

There's a despicable video "Russian students mock Obama" with a banana. I thought maybe you had seen it.

[Ghoste]

While I think its very nice that the good and gentle people at the California state legislature have taken it upon themselves to protect the world from such a graphic and ugly symbol of racism like the confederate flag, I am a bit curious as to why a state run gift shop would be selling confederate flags in the first place.  Other than running out magnets shaped like the state or shot glasses with bears on them it doesn't sense why they have so much worry about the gift shops selling confederate flags.  I hope they wasted tax dollars banning swastikas too because the only way to stop racism is to pretend it never happened in the past.  Maybe some state legislators need to wander around south central LA after dark.

[twodko]

Or Fergeson.

That's funny as hell Ghoste and sadly true.

[Stevearino]

Anyone who cares to see the real flags of the CSA they are here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
The stars and bars on the roof of the General Lee was his flag or the battle flag of northern Virginia. It was never the flag of the entire Confederacy so ignorant PC idiots are banning something they know nothing about.

[familymopar]

Anyone who cares to see the real flags of the CSA they are here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
The stars and bars on the roof of the General Lee was his flag or the battle flag of northern Virginia. It was never the flag of the entire Confederacy so ignorant PC idiots are banning something they know nothing about.

Actually, the State of California knows exactly what they are doing.  They banned state government entities from selling or displaying the "Battle Flag of the Confederacy".

What you are pointing out is that the "battle" flag of the Confederacy is not the "national" flag of the Confederacy.  Something their language makes clear they are aware of.

As you pointed out, the flag they are concerned about was the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which is largely, and at certain times during the war, synonymous with the Confederate army.  Just as General Lee, Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia, is largely hailed, then and now, as the General of the Confederate Army, a position that I am not sure existed.

None of this matters much, as perception is key and the battle flag is the one that history chooses to remember.

I can't believe I just had to defend the legislature of California.  I think I have to go take a shower now.

[Stevearino]

Anyone who cares to see the real flags of the CSA they are here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
The stars and bars on the roof of the General Lee was his flag or the battle flag of northern Virginia. It was never the flag of the entire Confederacy so ignorant PC idiots are banning something they know nothing about.

Actually, the State of California knows exactly what they are doing.  They banned state government entities from selling or displaying the "Battle Flag of the Confederacy".

What you are pointing out is that the "battle" flag of the Confederacy is not the "national" flag of the Confederacy.  Something their language makes clear they are aware of.

As you pointed out, the flag they are concerned about was the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which is largely, and at certain times during the war, synonymous with the Confederate army.  Just as General Lee, Commander of the Army of Northern Virginia, is largely hailed, then and now, as the General of the Confederate Army, a position that I am not sure existed.

None of this matters much, as perception is key and the battle flag is the one that history chooses to remember.

I can't believe I just had to defend the legislature of California.  I think I have to go take a shower now.

You may need something stronger than soap.  

[skip68]

I call it "White Mans Guilt".   

[ACUDANUT]

I call it "feds from taking our states right".

[ionracer24]

Another reason to not live in California...if there wasn't enough already. Lol

NO KIDDIN!!!  The earthquakes are enuff to keep me away....not that i could afford to live there anyways lol...

[Brock Lee]

Kind of ironic as the General Lee was conceived and born in Los Angeles.

[myk]

Another reason to not live in California...if there wasn't enough already. Lol

NO KIDDIN!!!  The earthquakes are enuff to keep me away....not that i could afford to live there anyways lol...

I love how everyone outside of this state believes that we have ground shredding, people swallowing tremors on a daily, regular basis as if it came with the rising and setting of the sun. 

[UH60L]

I guess depending on the wording, it wouldn't affect the General Lee cars anyway...as "the confederate flag" was actually 3 confederate flags, of which none were the one used on the car.  (see attached photos (second flag was Virginia battle flag in the top left of a white flag...)

The one used on the car was rectangular, thus it was a confederate Navy flag until the last few months of the war when Tennessee adopted the rectangular version as a battle flag.  By then it didn't really matter.

So, their bill would have to be specific the flag used on the car or general enough (pun unintentional..) to cover ANY flag ever used by the Confederacy.

That said, it's all a bunch of BS anyway.  If people actually did research, the US flag was used by the KKK prior to, and more often than, any Confederate flag.  Sadly the most positive modern use of the flag, the Dukes of Hazzard, is constantly vilified, when it should be pointed to as showing that you could be a southern boy with a rebel flag but still help your neighbors no matter who, or what color, they were.

Is it a show that is a bit dated and overly silly now?  Sure, but it was never racist.

[UH60L]

Anyone who cares to see the real flags of the CSA they are here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
The stars and bars on the roof of the General Lee was his flag or the battle flag of northern Virginia. It was never the flag of the entire Confederacy so ignorant PC idiots are banning something they know nothing about.

Your correct except that the name "stars and bars" actually refers to the first flag of the confederacy, pictured in my previous post, and refers specifically to the circle of stars and the 3 red and white bars...

http://www.moc.org/collections-archives/flags-confederacy

Also, from Wikipedia:

"Designed by William Porcher Miles, the chairman of the Flag and Seal committee, a now popular variant of the Confederate flag was rejected as the national flag in 1861. It was instead adopted as a battle flag by the Army of Northern Virginia under General Lee.[26] Despite never having historically represented the CSA as a country nor officially recognized as one of the national flags, it is commonly referred to as "the Confederate Flag" and has become a widely recognized symbol of the South.[27] It is also known as the rebel flag, Dixie flag, and Southern cross and is often incorrectly referred to as the "Stars and Bars" (the actual "Stars and Bars" is the first national flag, which used an entirely different design).[28] The self-declared Confederate enclave of Town Line, New York, lacking a genuine Confederate flag, flew a version of this flag prior to its 1946 vote to rejoin the Union."

[Ghoste]

And historical accuracy aside we all know the one on the GL is the one the do-gooders are aghast over.

[Mike DC]

 
The Confederate Flag's days are numbered as a publicly acceptable symbol IMO.  Honestly I'm surprised it has made it this long.   
 
It's not just that people don't know history.  A lot of people still think it's time to take that symbol down even though they know something about the Civil War.  That feeling has only been growing over the last several decades. 

[Ghoste]

If that does happen then it only becomes what the do-gooders fear anyway. If the unaccepting public decry it then the idiots who want it to be a racist thing win because that is exactly what it will mean then.

[Mike DC]

 
It's the Civil War connotation. 


Wear a shirt that says "I (red heart) the South" and nobody would have a problem. 

Wear a shirt with the Confederate Flag, and the reaction isn't always so easygoing.