Yeah - Chrysler sucks

[Headrope]

Many here enjoy crapping on Chrysler. That's cool and all, but a little perspective is necessary. Here is what life could be like:

(http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/5597229p-5031243c.html).

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: March 18th, 2006 01:00 AM

General Motors Corp. disclosed that it lost $2 billion more last year than previously reported and needs more time to sort out accounting errors in the finance business it wants to sell.
Investors sent GM's shares price down nearly 5 percent Friday, shaving more than a half-billion dollars off its market value.
The Associated Press

[Ghoste]

Maybe it's crapping on them that forces them to try harder?  We demand more so most of the time we get more.  Seems to me, most of the GM fans I've known were some of blindest sheep who bought and worshiped most anything the company gave them.  At the end of the day, the enthusiasts don't carry the market all that much do we?

[Silver R/T]

Its hard for US to compete with Japanese car manufacturers who bring out cars that most every teen wants, EVO, WRX, Skyline, etc, etc. US car market fell behind way too far.

[TheGhost]

Its hard for US to compete with Japanese car manufacturers who bring out cars that most every teen wants, EVO, WRX, Skyline, etc, etc. US car market fell behind way too far.

True, but, teens aren't driving the current automobile market.  The baby boomers are.  Luxury cars are selling like hotcakes right now.

[Darkness]

Well most teen girls up here either drive Neons or Cavaliars so that counts for something.

[mopar1]

This might be a good time for Tucker to make a comeback.

[bull]

Maybe it's crapping on them that forces them to try harder?  We demand more so most of the time we get more. 

If you're happy with mediocrity, mediocrity is what you get.

[hemihead]

Its hard for US to compete with Japanese car manufacturers who bring out cars that most every teen wants, EVO, WRX, Skyline, etc, etc. US car market fell behind way too far.

I think this reason is because they can't afford to buy a Charger, Cuda, Challenger , etc. . Not like when we we young.They can't buy an old car and can't buy a new American car , so what's left?

[Ghoste]

I don't know.  Most of the young kids I meet buy into the misconception that Japanese everything is vastly superior and a LOT of them laugh at us for driving dinosaur cars.  No doubt some of it is envy but I think a majority have been raised to believe otherwise.

[hemihead]

I don't know.  Most of the young kids I meet buy into the misconception that Japanese everything is vastly superior and a LOT of them laugh at us for driving dinosaur cars.  No doubt some of it is envy but I think a majority have been raised to believe otherwise.

Then guess who is to blame for that? We, the parents.

[Ghoste]

Yep.  Although in my home personally, the kids have never seen an import parked in the driveway.
Peer pressure and the media have a lot to do with it too.

[hemihead]

Only thing I have owned since my son was born is Mopar.He is 16 now and guess what he is looking at for a first car? Mopar!
He knows no other car that is better lol

[bull]

Many "Japanese" cars are American made now and many "American" cars are made in Mexico.

[Ghoste]

Well for the purpose of where we are at with this topic the point of manufacture becomes semantics.  The point is, kids today perceive vehicles from a company whose headquarters is in Japan as being superior to those whose headquarters are in the United States.  Or at least, that was the gist of my argument.
Saying this of course, throws water on every disparaging remark I have ever made about GL clones as I cannot deny that those cars will draw a crowd of all ages wherever they go.  If it turns one kid on to old cars, then it is a good thing.
(I reserve the right to deny ever making this statement the next time I ridicule GL clones )

[Charger_Fan]

Yep.  Although in my home personally, the kids have never seen an import parked in the driveway.

Same here.
So far, all three of my kids scoff at their friends who buy imports...that's just fine by me!

[adauto]

I think it's really a bigger issue than just cars... how many of you have been to Wal-Mart this weekend?

[Arthu®]

Ok not to bash the american cars, but if I would be looking at a cheap, good, reliable car. It sure as hell won't be an american car. I mean you guys seriously produced some of the shittiest cars ever. The english come in at a good 2nd. I love Chargers and old muslce cars in general to death, but damn especially the 80's and 90's american cars. Ouch. I'll take a 1990 Honda Civic over an 1990 Chrysler Something any day. They are just better on gas, better engineered, easier to maintain, cheaper. I see why todays kids are into them. The aftermarket is plentyfull and not overly expensive. They are good on gas and especially the honda's and toyota's will run forever.

Arthur

[Todd Wilson]

Many here enjoy crapping on Chrysler. That's cool and all, but a little perspective is necessary. Here is what life could be like:

(http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/5597229p-5031243c.html).

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: March 18th, 2006 01:00 AM

General Motors Corp. disclosed that it lost $2 billion more last year than previously reported and needs more time to sort out accounting errors in the finance business it wants to sell.
Investors sent GM's shares price down nearly 5 percent Friday, shaving more than a half-billion dollars off its market value.
The Associated Press

Its an ever changing world in the car busniess. Chrysler trimmed the fat off many years ago. Everyone thought they were gonna go belly up again with profits down and laying off and cutting jobs and closing plants.  I think if we look Chryslers last quarter was profitable and % was up. The are lean and mean now. If the other 2 dont do that they will be in trouble.

I think GM got cheap on their parts and pieces to "cut costs" and ended up with POS vehicles and that hurt them over the last 10 years or so. With the exception of thier trucks i have seen numerous GM cars that were falling apart during and after they were paid off on a 5 year note. Pay off a vehicle and its a POS with not much life left in it. Most had 100000 miles or less.


Todd

[hemihead]

Ok not to bash the american cars, but if I would be looking at a cheap, good, reliable car. It sure as hell won't be an american car. I mean you guys seriously produced some of the shittiest cars ever. The english come in at a good 2nd. I love Chargers and old muslce cars in general to death, but damn especially the 80's and 90's american cars. Ouch. I'll take a 1990 Honda Civic over an 1990 Chrysler Something any day. They are just better on gas, better engineered, easier to maintain, cheaper. I see why todays kids are into them. The aftermarket is plentyfull and not overly expensive. They are good on gas and especially the honda's and toyota's will run forever.

Arthur

I guess you never owned a 90 Daytona Turbo? Hell of a lot better than a Civic.

[Silver R/T]

I know of a guy that owned one...it never ran, only would blow head gasket one after another one. Btw, didnt they use Mitsu engines/turbo? And civic is N/A car, so it doesnt make sense comparing turbo cars to N/A power

[FastbackJon]

Actually Chrysler does suck, and so does GM. I'm a 22 year old male, single, good job, and the only new car I'd consider buying from any car maker is Ford's Mustang. And yes, we are talking about affordable daily transportation, Vipers, Ford GTs, Lamborghinis, etc excluded.

[Headrope]

Are you actually going to buy one?

[TheGhost]

the only new car I'd consider buying from any car maker is Ford's Mustang.

But, what would you drive when it falls apart, due to it's OH so great quality?

[Mike DC]

         
I think Japanese cars WERE better and American cars WERE really underbuilt.  20 years ago.

Now I think the gap has narrowed a lot during the 1990s, but public perception has not.
Right now I think American cars are slightly worse overall, and probably dead-even during the first 50-70,000 miles. 

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But what Detriot unfortunately still can't get through its thick iron head is that to change the public perception, they have to take the LEAD in this race.  And hold it for an entire generation. 

Just catching up isn't enough.

       

[hemihead]

I know of a guy that owned one...it never ran, only would blow head gasket one after another one. Btw, didnt they use Mitsu engines/turbo? And civic is N/A car, so it doesnt make sense comparing turbo cars to N/A power

If it repeatedly was blowing head gaskets the head most likely wasn't prepped right.Some of the earlier 4cyl. cars did use Mitsu 2.6's and the Conquests were all 2.6 Mitsu Turbos but they were Jap cars too.The 2.2 and 2.5's were all Mopar designed engines.True it is a little unfair comparing a Non turbo to a Turbo,but the basics are the same.I've owned K cars that were very good cars and some not so good because they weren't taken care of.I've seen 5 year old Japanese cars completely eaten by rust.I've seen them with blown motors and bad drive trains in junkyards I worked at when they were 5 years old.I don't think that quality is really an issue anymore.It's more of a public perception issue.Kids born in  80's were fed the "Japanese Quality" issue by their parents and are basically brainwashed.