Is the '58 Fury the hardest Mopar to find?

[duanesterrr]

So my garage will one day consist of 1) '68 Charger, 2) '58 Fury, and 3) '87 Grand National.

I see #'s 1 and 3 on Craigslist, Ebay, and the likes all the time. However, I never find # 2.

Is the '58 Fury the hardest Mopar to find?  If not, what Mopar is?

Any leads on any Fury's would be welcome as well... but I reckon I probably would not get a lot of responses haha.

[JB400]

I think if you want to find one, you'd have talk with those into what they call the Forward Look.  Being that these cars have very little aftermarket, everyone with one is buying up as many as they can for parts.

[Bob T]

Google the Forward Look website, lots of info, pics and cars on their forum there, good bunch too 

[F8-4life]

http://forwardlook.net/

You would have better luck if you settled on a 1958 2dr hardtop savoy / belvedere.
The Fury I think only had a run of around 5,000 cars in 1958 and most consider '57-'58 furys among the most desirable.
If you need a legit fury try to buy one done because total basket cases can still run $15k or more.

Here is good read

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109009.0.html

[crj1968]

http://www.brandoncollection.com/1958_Plymouth_Plymouth_St.%20Simons%20Island_GA_206683098.veh

[crj1968]

http://classiccars.com/listings/view/538750/1958-plymouth-fury-for-sale-in-san-luis-obispo-california-93491

[tan top]

there was a guy on craigslist , that wanted to swap  his 57 or 58 Christine shaped fury  , for a second generation charger  few months a go , no joke
it needed total resto but was all there if I remember correctly

I did post the Ad in the ebay section at the time !

[RallyeMike]

I own a 60 Plymouth Suburban and until recently a 61 Newport hardtop. I love the Forward look cars so I watch 56-61 cars quite a bit. These cars tended to rust easily, production was low, and parts are much scarcer than your muscle cars. That said, keep you eye peeled - they do come up for sale, you just have to be patient. Of course, because of Christine, the 58 Fury has a bit of a premium on it.

The Forward look site is the best place I know of to make contacts for parts and tech talk.

[Cooter]

4400 built. Only a handful built with Golden Commando V8. Many came through with 318 'Fury' V8.
FYI, "Christine" was a "Fury" in print only. Only available in Buckskin Beige. Couldn't get a red and white Fury till 59. I see many here bitching and whining about rust on the 2nd gen Chargers and still asking a mint.

It would be a joy to see what some of the comments are on a 60 y/o 58 Plymouth Fury, that's nothing more than termites holding hands....
My own 58 took 5 years of steady work to drive.

[F8-4life]

There was a very nice 1958 savoy 2dr hardtop at the nats.
Metallic blue with a hemi. I like the stripped down side trim vs. the big & expensive belvedere trim.
Cooter have you ever seen a savoy with factory bumper wings? Could they be ordered on any trim level or only the top of the line stuff?
Honestly I think on a '58 it just needs the bumper wings. Just not the same without them.

While on the subject, this is a pretty interesting 58 on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Other-Convertible-1958-plymouth-belvedere-convertible-mopar-dodge-fury-christine-/201146081177?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ed53d9f99&item=201146081177&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#viTabs_0

[Mike DC]

As Cooter says, figure out if you really want a Fury or you want Christine.  Two different things. 

IMHO for a car like that you should really try to avoid a resto.  Restos are always difficult money losers on anything but especially here.  At least with '69 Chargers you had more of them made, with a little bit better rustproofing, and 70% of the car is in a catalog now.  Trying to do that level of resto on a rusty old '58 seems like a pretty thankless task. 

[duanesterrr]

Thanks for the help and information.  I will keep checking those sites you listed.

I have seen the 72k one for sale for awhile.  It was around 80k before.  Unfortunately, that is a tad out of my price range.

The 440/4speed one is more my type for sure.  It has been for sale for awhile as well and has always been 40-45k.  I will keep an eye on it.

The 58 convert looks cool too. hmmm...

To answer Mike's question, I want a badass Christine.

[RallyeMike]

Be patient and ready to spring. I'll be looking forward to hearing the story and seeing some pics.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Other-base-57-58-plymouth-savoy-fury-belvedere-christine-clone-/221518834190?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33938d2a0e&item=221518834190&pt=US_Cars_Trucks





http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Other-BELVEDERE-1958-PLYMOUTH-BELVEDERE-CHRISTINE-/131269668407?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e90482e37&item=131269668407&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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There was a very nice 1958 savoy 2dr hardtop at the nats.
Metallic blue with a hemi. I like the stripped down side trim vs. the big & expensive belvedere trim.
Cooter have you ever seen a savoy with factory bumper wings? Could they be ordered on any trim level or only the top of the line stuff?
Honestly I think on a '58 it just needs the bumper wings. Just not the same without them.

While on the subject, this is a pretty interesting 58 on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Other-Convertible-1958-plymouth-belvedere-convertible-mopar-dodge-fury-christine-/201146081177?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ed53d9f99&item=201146081177&pt=US_Cars_Trucks#viTabs_0

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[duanesterrr]

Thanks Tan Top.  Maybe I should make a Christine vert clone.   

[Bob T]

For starters they are 10 -13 years older than Gen II Chargers and probably been less well looked after, hard to find a good one and like everything else of similar age has been through one or two rebuilds by shops or car guys doing their own thing.

A few mates that I knock around with are all Fin Car Guys.
Glenns 57 Fury would have to be one of the best on the planet, super nice and runs like a train after a big $$ resto, but he drives it everywhere - it gets used man. Used to be a right hooker as it was shipped to Australia new, duals quads 318 Poly.

Johnnys 58 has the 350 B motor with dual quads also, bit more patina on this old girl but it pulls like a train and has got cutouts just like Glenns.

I quite like the Imperials of a similar era too, here's Lukes 60 Le Baron, what a car.
All three cars have the optional 45 record player  

And, there's also Marks 300F, numbers with the 413 and Ram, super cool car.

I did a run a while back and we had a few cool Fins come along turn up, check it out , it has a great shot of the the record player at the end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwXCCE3rFsw

[Cooter]

That black convert belongs to a friend in N.Y. and former member here. 1970's hot rod. Previous owner died in Vietnam or something and never made it home.

[bill440rt]

Look in the NJ sections on Craigslist. IIRC I saw one advertised on there very recently. 99% sure it was probably a Belvedere though.

[Cooter]

There's a guy in New Jersey that makes two door hd. Tops out of four door sedans.
"Fury jim' Rawa.

[duanesterrr]

Well, as it has been said many times on here, buy the most car you can afford.  From what you guys are saying this is an instance where this fact rings louder then most. 

I don't have the time for a long drawn out restoration.  I already know if I attempt that the car MAY be back on the road in 5 years.  Whether a 58 Fury or 68 Charger I need a solid driver.  I'd see myself tooling around the midwest to a few shows and driving it to work 2-3 times a week weather permitting.

I will keep my eye out here and that Flook site.  Thanks guys, Duane

[Mike DC]

   
Get a complete assembled car with the sheetmetal as intact (and preferably original) as you can get.  All else is gravy compared to that.  

In the car buying stage, DO NOT compromise on the body in favor of the drivetrain with the idea that it will come out cheaper in the long run.  It won't. 

[duanesterrr]

   
Get a complete assembled car with the sheetmetal as intact (and preferably original) as you can get.  All else is gravy compared to that.  

In the car buying stage, DO NOT compromise on the body in favor of the drivetrain with the idea that it will come out cheaper in the long run.  It won't. 

Got it.  After I win the lottery I will be dropping a hellcat driveline in Christine anyways... the combo just seem to go together perfect in my mind! 

[Nwcharger]

I know of one 58 fury in a wrecking yard with the tail panel cut out. Also have a friend parting a rusty 58 too.

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http://classiccars.com/listings/view/538750/1958-plymouth-fury-for-sale-in-san-luis-obispo-california-93491

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[Bob T]

What a moron for putting those scoops on a 58. I pity the Fool. 

[polywideblock]

could have been one of these      

  I've always liked the 63 pro stock scoop   

[F8-4life]

1958 savoy hardtop I found in an ohio junkyard.

[GreenMachine]

Here's my '57 Savoy, needs almost everything, but not as much rust as most I've seen. It was on craigslist for well over a month before I talked myself into buying it. I don't know why people prefer the '58 to the '57? The only thing the '58 has better than the '57 is the lower grill. '57 has better taillights, headlights, Sportone trim (hockey stick) with the 3 horizontal stripes, and has the little "V" on both fenders instead of the grille. 

[TUFCAT]

Here's a '58 for sale...

http://www.legendaryfind.com/cars/pin/335544/

[duanesterrr]

Here's a '58 for sale...

http://www.legendaryfind.com/cars/pin/335544/

I am watching that one on Ebay.  I see a 40k BIN price so I want to see how close the price gets.  I just haven't been watching these like chargers to have an idea of what a good value is.  

The one with the hood scoops has been for sale for a long time.  It makes me think it is overpriced.

So just to change the discussion a tad to value, I am seeing that fully restored Fury is 70-80k.  How much do you think the value is of the 1) 440 4 speed Fury (with hood scoops) the 2) Christine Clone Belvedere, and the 3) convertible belvedere.

I think 1)30k, 2)25k, and 3) 20k.

Whether I go with the 68 Charger or Fury I need a solid driver to start with.  It would seem either path I need 30-40k to be in the game

[F8-4life]

I think 1)30k, 2)25k, and 3) 20k.

Sounds about right to me. Maybe a little on the low side.

[bill440rt]

Found the NJ Craigslist listing.

http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4593912507.html

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Found the NJ Craigslist listing.

http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4593912507.html

 looks good from the pictures !!

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[bill440rt]

Found the NJ Craigslist listing.

http://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/4593912507.html

 looks good from the pictures !!

I thought so, too.
And, not too bad a price, I think.
Thanks for posting the pics as well, TT! 

[TUFCAT]

Is it missing some trim on the back end?  It looks plain to me. 

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Is it missing some trim on the back end?  It looks plain to me.  

     yes  ,  its missing  Plymouth spelt out  in letters ! across the trunk lid  & or   a emblem around the lock  , seen one or the other , not sure really whats going on with these cars ,  seem confusing to me  , think  the forward look mob , mix & match parts from the  57 & 58 furys & Belevderes  , to make them look like Christine !   Cooter  will know more on this i'm sure  .

[Cooter]

The main reason the 58 is picked over 57 is of course, "Christine".
One main debate with these cars is "57 vs 58". Furys came in ONE COLOR until 59. Buckskin Beige with GOLD trim. Commonly, but mistakenly referred to as "Golden Furys"
In 1957, one couldn't get the "Hockey stick" unless one bought the "Fury". Belvedere came with side trim that just went straight out the back with Sportone trim.
also, the rear view mirror was mounted near windshield in 57. For 58, it was moved beside speedo cluster.
F urys got standard 150 mph speedo. All others were 120 mph.

The 57 had the "ship" emblem commonly referred to as the "Gold turd" in the grille on ALL cars.
the 58 had the "V" emblem on all V8 cars including the all new, very first, 350 cubic inch, "Golden Commando" Fury OPTIONAL engine. 58 also saw the first FUEL INJECTED engine in Fury. These recalled set ups today have SOLD for as much as $15,000.00.....yes, uber rare and don't work.
standard engine was still 318.
with the introduction of quad headlights in 58, the grille halves are different. (Yes 57 halves will fit, but look like sh*t with a huge gap where that huge single head light was).
58 also saw the first year for the Sure Grip rear.

The 57 trunk had the "Wing ship" emblem around trunk lock, and P L Y M O U T H spelled out across hood.
58 was reversed, with all new winged Plymouth emblem in center of hood.
sheet metal was virtually same. I know of at least 7 different kinds of rear glass trim maybe due to assy. Plant locations, 2 different vent windows, 2 different windshield stainless, as well as a few other minor differences.

Seat backs for Fury's were "dipped" in center. Door panels were also Fury specific. Fury had chrome garnish moldings inside, as well as twin side dome lights.

Sportone trim could be had in two flavors. Stainless trim with painted center, or aluminum inserts in Fury GOLD, or Belvedere SILVER.

Entire rear trim, save for tops of fins, is different between 57 and 58. 58 tail lights can be made to fit 57, but  requires that the metal be hammered flat as the 57 tail lights sit at angles.
bumpers are identical. Lower "Skirt" under rear bumper different from 57 to 58. 58 had one reverse light in the lower skirt. Bumper "wings" (things on the outter sides) came ONLY on Furys in 57. In 58, one could option them on ANY model, but still were standard on Fury.

[TUFCAT]

The main reason the 58 is picked over 57 is of course, "Christine".
One main debate with these cars is "57 vs 58". Furys came in ONE COLOR until 59. Buckskin Beige with GOLD trim. Commonly, but mistakenly referred to as "Golden Furys"
In 1957, one couldn't get the "Hockey stick" unless one bought the "Fury". Belvedere came with side trim that just went straight out the back with Sportone trim.
also, the rear view mirror was mounted near windshield in 57. For 58, it was moved beside speedo cluster.
F urys got standard 150 mph speedo. All others were 120 mph.

The 57 had the "ship" emblem commonly referred to as the "Gold turd" in the grille on ALL cars.
the 58 had the "V" emblem on all V8 cars including the all new, very first, 350 cubic inch, "Golden Commando" Fury OPTIONAL engine. 58 also saw the first FUEL INJECTED engine in Fury. These recalled set ups today have SOLD for as much as $15,000.00.....yes, uber rare and don't work.
standard engine was still 318.
with the introduction of quad headlights in 58, the grille halves are different. (Yes 57 halves will fit, but look like sh*t with a huge gap where that huge single head light was).
58 also saw the first year for the Sure Grip rear.

The 57 trunk had the "Wing ship" emblem around trunk lock, and P L Y M O U T H spelled out across hood.
58 was reversed, with all new winged Plymouth emblem in center of hood.
sheet metal was virtually same. I know of at least 7 different kinds of rear glass trim maybe due to assy. Plant locations, 2 different vent windows, 2 different windshield stainless, as well as a few other minor differences.

Seat backs for Fury's were "dipped" in center. Door panels were also Fury specific. Fury had chrome garnish moldings inside, as well as twin side dome lights.

Sportone trim could be had in two flavors. Stainless trim with painted center, or aluminum inserts in Fury GOLD, or Belvedere SILVER.

Entire rear trim, save for tops of fins, is different between 57 and 58. 58 tail lights can be made to fit 57, but  requires that the metal be hammered flat as the 57 tail lights sit at angles.
bumpers are identical. Lower "Skirt" under rear bumper different from 57 to 58. 58 had one reverse light in the lower skirt. Bumper "wings" (things on the outter sides) came ONLY on Furys in 57. In 58, one could option them on ANY model, but still were standard on Fury.

Thanks to our resident 57/58 Plymouth expert for coming on to explain this. 

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The main reason the 58 is picked over 57 is of course, "Christine".
One main debate with these cars is "57 vs 58". Furys came in ONE COLOR until 59. Buckskin Beige with GOLD trim. Commonly, but mistakenly referred to as "Golden Furys"
In 1957, one couldn't get the "Hockey stick" unless one bought the "Fury". Belvedere came with side trim that just went straight out the back with Sportone trim.
also, the rear view mirror was mounted near windshield in 57. For 58, it was moved beside speedo cluster.
F urys got standard 150 mph speedo. All others were 120 mph.

The 57 had the "ship" emblem commonly referred to as the "Gold turd" in the grille on ALL cars.
the 58 had the "V" emblem on all V8 cars including the all new, very first, 350 cubic inch, "Golden Commando" Fury OPTIONAL engine. 58 also saw the first FUEL INJECTED engine in Fury. These recalled set ups today have SOLD for as much as $15,000.00.....yes, uber rare and don't work.
standard engine was still 318.
with the introduction of quad headlights in 58, the grille halves are different. (Yes 57 halves will fit, but look like sh*t with a huge gap where that huge single head light was).
58 also saw the first year for the Sure Grip rear.

The 57 trunk had the "Wing ship" emblem around trunk lock, and P L Y M O U T H spelled out across hood.
58 was reversed, with all new winged Plymouth emblem in center of hood.
sheet metal was virtually same. I know of at least 7 different kinds of rear glass trim maybe due to assy. Plant locations, 2 different vent windows, 2 different windshield stainless, as well as a few other minor differences.

Seat backs for Fury's were "dipped" in center. Door panels were also Fury specific. Fury had chrome garnish moldings inside, as well as twin side dome lights.

Sportone trim could be had in two flavors. Stainless trim with painted center, or aluminum inserts in Fury GOLD, or Belvedere SILVER.

Entire rear trim, save for tops of fins, is different between 57 and 58. 58 tail lights can be made to fit 57, but  requires that the metal be hammered flat as the 57 tail lights sit at angles.
bumpers are identical. Lower "Skirt" under rear bumper different from 57 to 58. 58 had one reverse light in the lower skirt. Bumper "wings" (things on the outter sides) came ONLY on Furys in 57. In 58, one could option them on ANY model, but still were standard on Fury.

Thanks to our resident 57/58 Plymouth expert for coming on to explain this. 

   thanks for the info Cooter  !!  appreciated 

[Bob T]

Good point detail list Cooter, cheers

[DrHemi]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/tulsa-belvedere-buried-years-could-be-future-smithsonian-exhibit/article_ab24b097-bd02-5fa2-bea0-7d3baa637165.html

Seeing the pictures in this post reminds me of this.

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   not keen on the custom body work , 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Plymouth-Fury-sport-fury-1958-plymouth-sport-fury-392-hemi-cool-sixtys-custom-/331318786137?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d24237859&item=331318786137&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

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[Bob T]

What a disfigurement of a 58.
Can't believe the "custom builder" has done all that and then done zero to the paper thin trunk floor and floor pan/rails/suspensions and probably brakes. Unbelievable.