Buddy Baker's Charger for sale on fleabay

[Mytur Binsdirti]

This would be a cool project. Expensive, but cool......


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buddy-Baker-1968-Hemi-Dodge-Charger-Vintage-Racecar-/301272043617?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item4625369061&vxp=mtr

[JB400]

That would be cool if it was a Buddy Baker car.  White paint on the A pillar Is there anything that is unique to Buddy Baker in particular to differentiate from the other cars?

[1974dodgecharger]

Someone should buy it could be worth 250k when done....man easy money. 

[troy.70R/T]

Looks like it did some dirt track time after he had it.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

More like demo derby.   

[ChargerSG]

  it sure does. Not much left of it anyway....

[DTB]

Not getting much of anything for 20k in my opinion...

[Mike DC]

Not happening for $20k.


But it looks restorable IMO, at least for a legit GN car from that era.  These cars are usually nothing more than original rollcages by the time somebody goes to restore them.  

These weren't street cars.  For the first 20-30 years they existed, nobody with non-destructive intentions was even bidding on them.  They got passed down through the amateur ranks until there was nothing left.  

Complaining that it survived in shitty condition is like complaining that a 45yo hammer has been used to hit a lot of nails.  That's exactly what it was made for.    

[odcics2]

Roll cage is a 66-67- style.
Upper rear shock area are Nichels Engineering sourced.
Has the wet sump cross member.
Firewall has been cut real bad...
Seat is wrong era.

If it was a 1968 Buddy Baker - Ray Fox car, it would have been built with all 68 parts, like the cage, for example.

Now it "could" have been an original '67 Charger Baker - Ray Fox car, based on the cage, BUT
the dashboard doesn't match...   

Too many questions and no paperwprk. Need to see vintage pics showing areas of the car that match.

   

[Stevearino]

Provenance with these cars is extremely difficult to prove. Having restored a "Bobby Allison" car about 10 years ago that Bobby swore was one of his cars and realizing latter that it was more than likely a Die Gard car I know first hand that things are not always what they appear to be. That being said without a paper trail this car would be considered little more than a tribute car and you would be lucky to get $30,000.00 for it when done. The long and short of it is "Stay away from old stock cars".


My baby before and after.

[kab69440]

That would look great with my car's body over it!   

[Mike DC]

Having restored a "Bobby Allison" car about 10 years ago that Bobby swore was one of his cars and realizing latter that it was more than likely a Die Gard car I know first hand that things are not always what they appear to be.

They say Bobby Allison is not a reliable source about anything before his 1988 wreck, unfortunately. 

[Stevearino]

Having restored a "Bobby Allison" car about 10 years ago that Bobby swore was one of his cars and realizing latter that it was more than likely a Die Gard car I know first hand that things are not always what they appear to be.

They say Bobby Allison is not a reliable source about anything before his 1988 wreck, unfortunately. 

Very sad but true. The things he remembers are things other people have told him about the past.

[tan top]

  its pretty beat up   , awesome project though !   going cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & then some

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[surmanajaja]

that will buff right out.

big waste of money, nice lawn ornament for a good ol boy.

[wingcar]

A real challenge for someone with deep pockets.  But, not as bad as some of the old race cars that have been restored......

[Ghoste]

Love that B&W pic of Buddy inside the car, he looks so cramped in there almost like a regular sized guy trying to fit in a Mark Martin car.

[Aero426]

  its pretty beat up   , awesome project though !   going cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & then some

Rough as a cob.    There are not many choices out there for pre-1972 Chrysler stock cars, generally considered the "golden era".   There also are not that many of us who will have the bug for this kind of thing.     So I guess it works out.     That said, I would find something better to start with. 

This car was certainly a big time (ARCA, NASCAR, USAC) car at one time.   The question is, "which one"?     The hammer analogy is spot on.   Nobody cared about the history of these things back then.    There is no way that this started as a new for '68 car.   It's older.   

[Drache]

I messaged the seller asking what proof he had that it was a Baker charger. He replied that he had a letter from Ray Fox stating it was and if I wanted to see the proof to bring money to buy the car. 

[chargerperson]

suspect that approach by the seller won't help the car sell anytime soon at that price.  Wish him well in the spirit of preserving history though

[Ghoste]

I wonder how many times he's been asked that question?  Serious buyers for that kind of car will want proof and being a dick to any of them won't help you.  Small niche audience for race cars.

[tan top]

 its pretty beat up  , awesome project though !   going cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ & then some

Rough as a cob.    There are not many choices out there for pre-1972 Chrysler stock cars, generally considered the "golden era".   There also are not that many of us who will have the bug for this kind of thing.     So I guess it works out.     That said, I would find something better to start with.  

This car was certainly a big time (ARCA, NASCAR, USAC) car at one time.   The question is, "which one"?     The hammer analogy is spot on.   Nobody cared about the history of these things back then.    There is no way that this started as a new for '68 car.   It's older.  

yes , think its going to be really difficult to prove 100% which car it was or is !  don't know much about these early race cars , but looks like the chassis or rather front end  has been altered a bit & passenger side door bars  , but i'm far from a  expert , & have not seen enough of these to compare  
i'm I bit supprised it has come up forsale on ebay , would of assumed something like this would of sold word of mouth to race car enthusiasts etc  ,  

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

[crj1968]

that will buff right out.

   

[Aero426]

yes , think its going to be really difficult to prove 100% which car it was or is !  don't know much about these early race cars , but looks like the chassis or rather front end  has been altered a bit & passenger side door bars  , but i'm far from a  expert , & have not seen enough of these to compare  
i'm I bit supprised it has come up forsale on ebay , would of assumed something like this would of sold word of mouth to race car enthusiasts etc  ,  

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

I would agree that the best cars don't have to be advertised.    This one has been off the radar screen for a while.  

As far as altered, yeah, once the car gets to the lower levels and Goober and Gomer get hold of it,  anything is possible.     Stuff can get changed around pretty quick.

The chassis of the Baker car is quite a bit different than this one.    It has a few similarities, but the Ebay car has design features that appear to pre-date the 1968 skin on it.    

[odcics2]

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

Do you mean the #6 show car Daytona?

[tan top]

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

Do you mean the #6 show car Daytona?

yes , that's the one      !  , should of said the #6 Daytona show car ,  that keeps coming up for sale or is still for sale  ,  sure there was  mention of it being a earlier chassis 1967 may be  &  looked a earlier dash in there  too ,    

[odcics2]

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

Do you mean the #6 show car Daytona?

yes , that's the one      !  , should of said the #6 Daytona show car ,  that keeps coming up for sale or is still for sale  ,  sure there was  mention of it being a earlier chassis 1967 may be  &  looked a earlier dash in there  too ,    

That "#6 show car" started off a 68 Cotton Owens short track car, driven by Charlie Glotzbach.  It got wrecked and set aside...
In early 70, Chrysler paid Cotton to build them a Show Car Daytona. Cotton took the wrecked car, hammered it out, added the Daytona parts.
He used a street front spoiler, since it was to be trailed around the country to auto shows and that makes it much easier to load/unload.
It also has street wing supports.
It has a carb with a choke, for easy starting!  I have heard it doesn't sound like it has the 12.5 pistons, which makes perfect sense, since it never saw the race track after the conversion to a Daytona.  Being able to run on local premium pump gas is how you would build a "Show Car".
I'd bet it's a street hemi with a lumpy cam and the bathtub intake.

Buddy Baker never sat in it, either.

Andy Agosta did. He was the young kid that Chrysler hired and it was his job to take the car around the show circuit!  Nice job to have!     

 

[tan top]

 wonder if the surviving buddy baker Daytona has a similar chassis to this car ,  

Do you mean the #6 show car Daytona?

yes , that's the one      !  , should of said the #6 Daytona show car ,  that keeps coming up for sale or is still for sale  ,  sure there was  mention of it being a earlier chassis 1967 may be  &  looked a earlier dash in there  too ,    

That "#6 show car" started off a 68 Cotton Owens short track car, driven by Charlie Glotzbach.  It got wrecked and set aside...
In early 70, Chrysler paid Cotton to build them a Show Car Daytona. Cotton took the wrecked car, hammered it out, added the Daytona parts.
He used a street front spoiler, since it was to be trailed around the country to auto shows and that makes it much easier to load/unload.
It also has street wing supports.
It has a carb with a choke, for easy starting!  I have heard it doesn't sound like it has the 12.5 pistons, which makes perfect sense, since it never saw the race track after the conversion to a Daytona.  Being able to run on local premium pump gas is how you would build a "Show Car".
I'd bet it's a street hemi with a lumpy cam and the bathtub intake.

Buddy Baker never sat in it, either.

Andy Agosta did. He was the young kid that Chrysler hired and it was his job to take the car around the show circuit!  Nice job to have!     

 

oh right  , I see 68 short track car !!  yes  what a job to have !!

thanks for the information , appreciated ! 

[odcics2]

no problem!   

[Aero426]

Bobby Allison driven Charger owned by Jim Vandiver.   1970 Permatex race at Daytona.    The subject car was said to have been owned by Vandiver at one time.

EDIT:   Ebay car has no evidence of dark blue paint, so this likely ain't it.     

[ionracer24]

Interesting all the holes they drilled for weight reduction...

[Aero426]

Interesting all the holes they drilled for weight reduction...

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A waste of time and drill bits is what that was.    All of those were drilled by Goober and Gomer.

[Ghoste]

Maybe it was better than having Goober and Gomer get near anything where they could cause real harm. 

[odcics2]

No bites - auction expired.

[Aero426]

No bites - auction expired.

What Were You Expecting--Rock and Roll?    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSw1ZL-lzQU

[odcics2]

 

(don't forget the alum. panel close up!   and magnet test!   this means nothing to everyone else...)

[Aero426]

(don't forget the alum. panel close up!   and magnet test!   this means nothing to everyone else...)

Oh yeah.   I will have the car out of the trailer later today.   

[odcics2]

Car has one bid at 12.5K
no reserve...

[odcics2]

Back on ebay at 10K...   

[workworkwork]

I wouldn't want it if they shipped it to me for free. Looks terrible. You would need one of those body shops with 10 guys working on it for a month to turn it into a car again.

[Mike DC]

I wouldn't want it if they shipped it to me for free. Looks terrible. You would need one of those body shops with 10 guys working on it for a month to turn it into a car again.

True. 

But it's also true for half the 318 project cars in the hobby these days too. 


At least as a real NASCAR that thing has a good excuse to be in terrible shape.  And it has some real value when it's done.
   

[tan top]

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buddy-Baker-1968-Hemi-Dodge-Charger-Vintage-Racecar/301307872966?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23491%26meid%3Dadf9108faf074553a2c13d9bc077f39d%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D10073%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D301272043617

[Aero426]

Now we are getting somewhere.

[Aero426]

Right front A-pillar would seem to be the area to focus upon.

[tan top]

Right front A-pillar would seem to be the area to focus upon.

 good Good detective work    

think there is some  close up film of that  #31 car ,  in a video tape ,  I bought years ago from rare sports films , will look into it , if its a tape ive converted to dvd will take screen captures  , or take pictures of the screen if tape & post here  

[Stevearino]

Now if someone would contact Mr.Vandiver they could find out where he made his purchase and see  if the history holds up.

[HeavyFuel]

Baker sure was ahead of his time.......see him checking his texts.

[Ghoste]

He should not do that when he's driving.

[odcics2]

Now if someone would contact Mr.Vandiver they could find out where he made his purchase and see  if the history holds up.

The Vandiver Daytona on page 77 of the Supercars book has a different dash in it!!   
Maybe Jim had 2 cars - based on 66-67 bodies, and later reskinned??   

[Stevearino]

Now if someone would contact Mr.Vandiver they could find out where he made his purchase and see  if the history holds up.

The Vandiver Daytona on page 77 of the Supercars book has a different dash in it!!   
Maybe Jim had 2 cars - based on 66-67 bodies, and later reskinned??   

I could be wrong but the 69 pictured here might have been a sportsman car. In which case it being an older chassis might make sense.

[Indygenerallee]

Just looking at that cage I would say that is the same chassis, BTW how big was Buddy Baker? Looks like me when I sit in my Charger! 

[Stevearino]

Just looking at that cage I would say that is the same chassis, BTW how big was Buddy Baker? Looks like me when I sit in my Charger! 

6'6". Tall enough.

[Indygenerallee]

Well im 6'8 I thought he looked pretty big in there!! 

[HeavyFuel]

I met him at a race back in '02.      Big fella.

[odcics2]

Well im 6'8 I thought he looked pretty big in there!! 

Maybe he was sitting on a phone book ?