Reproduction fender tags...... thoughts?

[ECS]

These kind of remarks show the extreme arrogance you are known for.  

Don't confuse Pride with "arrogance".   

[TUFCAT]

These kind of remarks show the extreme arrogance you are known for.  

Don't confuse Pride with "arrogance".   

Unfortunately Dave, the rest of the world isn't confused either. 

[ECS]

Unfortunately Dave, the rest of the world isn't confused either. 

I don't live my life worrying about what anyone thinks of me.  I do what I want to do and cover all the ground I stand on. 

[Tilar]

This reminds me of when my boys were growing up and would argue and bicker with each other... I'd make them sit on the couch and hold hands.

[bill440rt]

This reminds me of when my boys were growing up and would argue and bicker with each other... I'd make them sit on the couch and hold hands.

Interesting. Did it work? 

[Rocco Barnard]

I don't live my life worrying about what anyone thinks of me.  I do what I want to do and cover all the ground I stand on.  

real nice  

[resq302]

Your reputation in the Mopar community speaks for itself, and I've never heard anything good.  

Funny, I've heard the exact opposite as you Tufcat.  I've heard people rave about Dave's products.  Granted, while he sometimes defers from other people, he at least has proof behind his opinions.

[472 R/T SE]

Not my impression that Tuffy's talking about Dave's products.  As a matter of fact, that's never been mentioned.   

[Ghoste]

In fact unless I'm reading all of this wrong, everything about this sort of comes back to the integrity of Dave and his products and his coming out to expose some deception.

[polywideblock]

 might never know that chargers full story    but  at least we know where the fake tags came from   

[ECS]

......but  at least we know where the fake tags came from

The information I posted was to inform people of the situation at hand.  There were 2 wrongs that took place with this scenario.  Someone was attempting to falsify a vehicle and an "expert" verified the fake vehicle as being all original.  (According to the article in MCG.)  Until I posted making the reproduction VIN tag, there was no conflicting evidence and the vehicle was being accepted as a "possibility" in the Chrysler World.  If I had not disclosed this information last March, I'll bet the vehicle would have shown up at Carlisle completely finished and assembled.  According to the Owner in the video, that was his original plan.  

After I posted the information, the typical character assassination started and I became the deflection to help detract from the actual facts.  This ordeal is much more serious than many of you are aware of and those who were involved will have to answer for their culpability in this charade.    

[polywideblock]

wasn't trying to assassinate anyone's character       was simply stating a fact ,one you just restated .  its probably the only KNOWN fact about that charger and I think it will be the only one      no-one is going to own up to building a fake and passing it off as real , all previous owners are just going to throw their arms in the air and say" I didn't know "  but I'm just an enthusiast  not any expert or anything     

[472 R/T SE]

Ghoste.  Products.  Not people's opinions of his online personality.     I don't hear people saying these sort of statements sir:

"Dave used the wrong font on my door VIN or any dozens' of other decals he makes."

"Dave used number 9 instead of spelling out the month on my door VIN."

"There's no line after the sentence for mechanics signature in 2 of my decals."



I apologize Dave.  At least you're present for us to talk about you.   

[Ghoste]

I know, I'm just trying to keep the thread on the real issue, which is the car.

[Rocco Barnard]

I know, I'm just trying to keep the thread on the real issue, which is the car.

Good idea. Dave's online personality could support an entire thread discussion.

[resq302]

I know, I'm just trying to keep the thread on the real issue, which is the car.

Good idea. Dave's online personality could support an entire thread discussion.

And yet comments like that keep derailing the original topic about the fender tags......   

[Homerr]

I'm reading that at least a couple of you saw/talked to the owner and didn't question him yourselves or at least invite him to DC.com to further explore the subject?   

The bomb throwing and speculation is more fun without a primary source?   

[ECS]

Dave's online personality could support an entire thread discussion.

This is the type of "character" statement I was referring to.  As the facts come out, a couple of people here try to deflect what has occurred and make this ordeal about me.  I've been criticized for posting comments without seeing the actual "report" and for believing what was reported by MCG.  

Again, here is the video of the Owner giving his synopsis of the car.  You can hear him clearly state that the Fender Tag, Dash Tag and VIN Decal are authentic & not reproductions.  He also says, "We had it checked out by Dave Wise an authoritative figure in the Mopar World and he verified everything......"  The MCG article reported the same overview but in greater detail.  Should we conclude that both sources say the exact same thing but are either confused or lying about who verified and legitimized the "fake" items on the vehicle?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152131663768930&set=vb.58843378929&type=2&theater

[TUFCAT]

Homerr, I saw him talking to others, and I know at least one buddy who spoke with him.  I didn't want to engage him with the topic about the vin because it would be pointless. He knows "what he wants to know" and nothing else.  

My buddy complimented him on the car, and talked to him about the cars future. His plans are to continue to build the car with a six pack, air-conditioning, and cruise control.  

[ECS]

Listen for yourselves what the Owner says about this car and who verified its originality.  The 1:30-1:55 point discusses the "authentic" VIN Tag related components.  The 3:00-3:10 point in the video talks about the verification of the vehicle.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152131663768930&set=vb.58843378929&type=2&theater

[resq302]

Homerr, I saw him talking to others, and I know at least one buddy who spoke with him.  I didn't want to engage him with the topic about the vin because it would be pointless. He knows "what he wants to know" and nothing else.  My buddy complement I'm on the car, and talk to them about the cars future. His plans are to continue to build the car with a six pack, air-conditioning, and cruise control.  

Tufcat,

If you saw him talking to others, why did you not ask him questions or get comments from him about the car?  Your above comment makes it seem like you were standing away from your buddy or the others he was talking to.  To me, that would have been an opportune point to find out more about this car.  History, his plans, prior owners, where he got the car from, how he is going to make the A/C compressor fit or the air cleaner fit since he plans on putting it back in that form, etc.

I also don't see it being "pointless" about talking about what VIN is/was/should be.  The whole "knows what he wants to know" is not validated since no one ever discussed the whole VIN thing with him in person besides the "expert" and in the video.  It would have been nice to get his opinion on the fact that the VIN door decal is a repro / fake which might have exposed other things in the light.

If the guy wants to build this car that way, thats fine, however don't try and pass it off as something that wasn't originally made like that.  Going to the ends that the current owner or prior owners have done is just down right deceitful.  Its only going to burn someone badly in the end who is trying to purchase a really nice car that they thing is a rare "1 of".

Granted, others on here talked to the owner and either forgot to bring up about the whole VIN issue or didn't want to touch it.  But if I had the time I would have certainly talked to the owner to get his insight on this whole fiasco that is now associated with the car.

Also, if this guy was a "Celebrity Judge" I don't think that you get that by asking for it. I think that is part of being a featured person such as invitational to the show.  I know that the Ram Chargers group were celebrity judges in the past, as well as Dave Ferro of Totally Auto (he picked our Chally vert a few years ago), and other people who are invited out to the show.

[TUFCAT]

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth.  If he doesn't "get it" by now,  he never will.  

[ECS]

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth.

The hypocrisy of your observation is comical at best.  Go look in the mirror as you repeat that comment.

[TUFCAT]

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth.

The hypocrisy of your observation is comical at best.  Go look in the mirror as you repeat that comment.

Just like you with the four door Barracuda thread.... Think about it.

[ECS]

Just like you with the four door Barracuda thread.... Think about it.

I certainly will.    Speaking of the 4 Door Concept, below is another interesting article written by Roger Johnson.  Just like his vivid recollection of the Barracuda 4 Door Concept, he continues to share his experiences from back in the day!

http://www.carsandparts.com/Articles/Mopar/Features/back-in-the-day-4