Production breakdown by color and/or rearend?

[EccentricMagpies]

I came across this car ad and wondered how they could have determined 1 of 13?
Seems that I've seen that there are a little over 500, '74 Rallye 360 auto chargers.


Can you break down the numbers by color and/or rearends?
http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t50782520/1974-rally-pack-charger-1-of-13-built/

The ad reads:
"...1974 Charger rally pack car been in storage since 1986 in pieces, back together running and driving down the road. 360, 727 auto,, 3.55 posi, triple black. , has chips and scratches in paint shows really nice. I have most parts to complete, needs new vinyl top, 97% all original. have factory build sheet. 1 of 13 cars built in this configuration. Power bulge hood, factory hood pins rear sway bar,disk brakes, rally gauges, slap stick automatic shifter and console,etc. Numbers matching drive train. interior is near mint. The engine and transmission were rebuilt at the end of 1985, car was dismantled mid 1986.I had the heads and oil pan removed and had motor inspected, still has tranny rebuild sticker on underside of hood. This is a nice car, looks good and drives good..."

[EccentricMagpies]

ODZKing pointed out that it was a 'C' canadian import (from buildsheet on link) so perhaps there is a registry for all Canadian production numbers simular to the following?

No big deal if no one knows.  Just curious to how he claimed 1 of 13.

[Ghoste]

I think its just a number someone pulled out of a hat.

[EccentricMagpies]

I think its just a number someone pulled out of a hat.

yeah... it would explain why he chooses not to respond to direct inquires about it.

I guess 13 just sounded cool.


So there isn't a breakdown for export cars or Canada sold cars simular to the photo above?

[Ghoste]

There should be a breakdown for the number sent to Canada but to breakdown the color and rearend you are out of luck.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

My rear end is one of one.   

[Ghoste]

And we're all glad of that. 

[EccentricMagpies]

My rear end is one of one.   

Hopefully a one owner as well.

[ODZKing]

As I mentioned, if it is truly a Rallye pkg car, and from the options, it seems to be - there were only 105 made.
One thing for sure, it was ordered and has some odd option combinations.
But I would like to know where the 1 of 13 came from myself.  

[EccentricMagpies]

Now I'm curious how a Rallye package car differs from a rallye

I.e.  The 105 number.

[Chargerguy74]

There were 13 J code 360 Coupes built. Coincidence? He may have been given some bad info, who knows, it's obviously a bogus number. Could also be the number of L code autos known to a registry maybe. I've seen those numbers misquoted a lot. The rule of thumb I've been going by, and I really don't know how accurate it is, is cars built for Canada were about 10% of what was built for the US. Looking at the WH23L4 D21 cars, there were 94 US cars built, so roughly 9 for Canada. Well I've owned 3 of those and passed up a 4th, so I'd bet a lot more were built than 9. As for this car, WH23L4, there were 567 autos built for the States...

And the Rallye PKG numbers are so out to lunch, but I still have no idea how they were contrived, since every non SE 440 Charger and every L code 360 Charger (we're talking 1974 here) would be a Rallye by default. That's a minimum of 869 Rallye hardtops (just 360 HP, and 440 cars).

[Chargerguy74]

Some other red flags in his description of the car: "Rally" and "posi". Once I hear/read stuff like that I start taking everything with a grain of salt.

[Ghoste]

Me too.

[EccentricMagpies]

There were 13 J code 360 Coupes built. Coincidence? He may have been given some bad info, who knows, it's obviously a bogus number. Could also be the number of L code autos known to a registry maybe. I've seen those numbers misquoted a lot. The rule of thumb I've been going by, and I really don't know how accurate it is, is cars built for Canada were about 10% of what was built for the US. Looking at the WH23L4 D21 cars, there were 94 US cars built, so roughly 9 for Canada. Well I've owned 3 of those and passed up a 4th, so I'd bet a lot more were built than 9. As for this car, WH23L4, there were 567 autos built for the States...

And the Rallye PKG numbers are so out to lunch, but I still have no idea how they were contrived, since every non SE 440 Charger and every L code 360 Charger (we're talking 1974 here) would be a Rallye by default. That's a minimum of 869 Rallye hardtops (just 360 HP, and 440 cars).

Actually, 869 is the maximum of Rallye Hardtops (between 360 HP, and 440) cars.  Minimum would be that all 440 cars were SEs (which didn't happen) plus the 'L' coded 360's, which is the 661 number.
But I expect you were only pointing out that there were still Rallye packages for 318 and 400 engines as well.

Hmmm.. interesting observation on the J code-Coupe.  
But, yeah, totally seperate topic but what is up with the 'Rallye PKG' breakdown?

Below, I can only assume that the first 360 4 bbl listed in this table is the 'J' code engine, while the second column of contains the 'L'  Where it indicates 'L' must contain the Rallye Package.

Wasn't there a 'K' code 360 2bbl?  Why wouldn't that be listed here? (215) 360-2 bbl cars according to the breakdown

yeah, confusing it seems...

[Chargerguy74]

There were 13 J code 360 Coupes built. Coincidence? He may have been given some bad info, who knows, it's obviously a bogus number. Could also be the number of L code autos known to a registry maybe. I've seen those numbers misquoted a lot. The rule of thumb I've been going by, and I really don't know how accurate it is, is cars built for Canada were about 10% of what was built for the US. Looking at the WH23L4 D21 cars, there were 94 US cars built, so roughly 9 for Canada. Well I've owned 3 of those and passed up a 4th, so I'd bet a lot more were built than 9. As for this car, WH23L4, there were 567 autos built for the States...

And the Rallye PKG numbers are so out to lunch, but I still have no idea how they were contrived, since every non SE 440 Charger and every L code 360 Charger (we're talking 1974 here) would be a Rallye by default. That's a minimum of 869 Rallye hardtops (just 360 HP, and 440 cars).

Actually, 869 is the maximum of Rallye Hardtops (between 360 HP, and 440) cars.  Minimum would be that all 440 cars were SEs (which didn't happen) plus the 'L' coded 360's, which is the 661 number.
But I expect you were only pointing out that there were still Rallye packages for 318 and 400 engines as well.

Hmmm.. interesting observation on the J code-Coupe.  
But, yeah, totally seperate topic but what is up with the 'Rallye PKG' breakdown?

Below, I can only assume that the first 360 4 bbl listed in this table is the 'J' code engine, while the second column of contains the 'L'  Where it indicates 'L' must contain the Rallye Package.

Wasn't there a 'K' code 360 2bbl?  Why wouldn't that be listed here? (215) 360-2 bbl cars according to the breakdown

yeah, confusing it seems...

Minimum would be 869 and that's just for the hardtops WH23 L code and U code. 661+208. I mentioned SE 440 cars were excluded, and I never got into coupes. I was just making a quick example. But you could add up all the WL21 and WH23 L and U code cars for a more accurate minimum of '74 A57 cars. My point was, that it's impossible for the "Rallye Package" 105 number to mean there were only 105 A57 hardtops.

[TUFCAT]

There should be a breakdown for the number sent to Canada but to breakdown the color and rearend you are out of luck.

   Sometimes people are just clever like that!

[EccentricMagpies]

Minimum would be 869 and that's just for the hardtops WH23 L code and U code. 661+208. I mentioned SE 440 cars were excluded, and I never got into coupes. I was just making a quick example. But you could add up all the WL21 and WH23 L and U code cars for a more accurate minimum of '74 A57 cars. My point was, that it's impossible for the "Rallye Package" 105 number to mean there were only 105 A57 hardtops.

Minimum would be 869 and that's just for the hardtops WH23 L code and U code. 661+208. I mentioned SE 440 cars were excluded, and I never got into coupes. I was just making a quick example. But you could add up all the WL21 and WH23 L and U code cars for a more accurate minimum of '74 A57 cars. My point was, that it's impossible for the "Rallye Package" 105 number to mean there were only 105 A57 hardtops.

You're right... Sorry... I forgot that I only posted the HT/Rallye table excluding the SE & coupe models...

Looking at the '72-'74s, coupes and Hardtops, it seems that the '74 Hardtop is the only one that is out of whack on the Rallye PKG figure, as if it possibly dropped a digit.  What ever the case.. yeah... i agree... it's not right for sure



disregard, what I wrote.... makes no sense.

"...Actually, 869 is the maximum of Rallye Hardtops (between 360 HP, and 440) cars.  Minimum would be that all 440 cars were SEs (which didn't happen) plus the 'L' coded 360's, which is the 661 number.
But I expect you were only pointing out that there were still Rallye packages for 318 and 400 engines as well...."