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Color breakdown of the 70 produced HEMI powered Daytonas?

Started by rotten1965, July 07, 2014, 10:58:55 PM

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rotten1965

Does anyone here have the breakdown by color for the 70 (48 autos 22 4 speeds) produced HEMI powered Daytonas made? I have searched the net to come up with some type of list but no luck. I was just curious to see if all production available colors were made with the HEMI option. Thanks for any feedback!

Mopar John

I have seen a list with color quantities for Daytonas but not with engines. There is also a Daytona shipment list that only has 35 HEMI Daytonas listed.
There is a very good survival rate with around 29 of the 35 known. You can scan this site and start to get a very good idea of the colors that were made.
There are some surprises with 2 copper colored ones out of a low overall color.
MJ

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

rotten1965

I love the 1969 Dodge Daytona Registry! Very useful source when searching for any information about these amazing cars! I have to give Homerr and all the others who supplied the information for this spreadsheet a huge thank you for taking the time to upload all the data and photos. I was able to answer my own question of what colors did the Hemi powered Daytona come in? Well it breaks down to 29 "Known" Hemi Daytonas that I was able to cross reference color breakdown.

B5-Bright Blue Metallic-2
F6-Bright Green Metallic-3
F8-Dark Green Metallic-1
R4-Bright Red-6
T3-Light Bronze Metallic-1
T5-Copper Metallic-2
W1-Eggshell White-2
X9-Black-2
Y2-Yellow-1
V2-Hemi Orange-9

I know from my own collection of pictures that there is "1" A4 Silver Metallic Hemi Daytona with a Black Wing and Black interior. Maybe some of the members can add to the missing color information of the 8 unknown "Hemi" cars on the Registry list.

ACUDANUT

I thought Daytona's were only a 69 model year, even though they all had 70 Fenders.  :shruggy:

held1823

Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 26, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
I thought Daytona's were only a 69 model year, even though they all had 70 Fenders.  :shruggy:

the 70 he referred to is a number quantity, not a model year
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

odcics2

I'd call the fender a 69 1/2 part, along with the hood, since neither is the same as a 1970 Charger part.  :Twocents:
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

6bblgt

& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

& while the on-line Daytona registry has its benefits it also has issues - there is only one B5 HEMI Daytona & there are NO A4 HEMI Daytonas - a picture does NOT represent as built fact

ACUDANUT

Quote from: held1823 on November 26, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on November 26, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
I thought Daytona's were only a 69 model year, even though they all had 70 Fenders.  :shruggy:

the 70 he referred to is a number quantity, not a model year

Oops, sorry. I guess I was reading what I wanted...Not what I saw.

rotten1965

Quote from: 6bblgt on November 26, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

& while the on-line Daytona registry has its benefits it also has issues - there is only one B5 HEMI Daytona & there are NO A4 HEMI Daytonas - a picture does NOT represent as built fact

http://www.wwnboa.org/frankenmuthjpgs/franken20.jpg

I guess this is a "Clone" or a "repaint" A4 Hemi Daytona that was here in Michigan at the 2006 Winged Warriors/NBOA National meet in Frankenmuth?

rotten1965

I remember speaking to John Pappas about the A4 Hemi Daytona that was at the 2006 National meet here in Michigan and he told me it was owned by a woman (Joanne?) from the Chicago area and could be bought for 250K. This was a few years back (maybe 2012) and the last time I spoke to John he told me she still owned the car and drives it on a occasion to local shows. I remember him telling me that it was all original sheet metal with original paint, motor and transmission. I'm sure the 250K is no longer a valid purchase price with the recent spike in Hemi cars (I could never afford it anyways).

moparstuart

Quote from: rotten1965 on November 26, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 26, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

& while the on-line Daytona registry has its benefits it also has issues - there is only one B5 HEMI Daytona & there are NO A4 HEMI Daytonas - a picture does NOT represent as built fact

http://www.wwnboa.org/frankenmuthjpgs/franken20.jpg

I guess this is a "Clone" or a "repaint" A4 Hemi Daytona that was here in Michigan at the 2006 Winged Warriors/NBOA National meet in Frankenmuth?
Real Daytona ,  But not a factory Hemi Car Still owned by Wayne Perkins
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

moparstuart

Quote from: rotten1965 on November 26, 2016, 11:21:49 PM
I remember speaking to John Pappas about the A4 Hemi Daytona that was at the 2006 National meet here in Michigan and he told me it was owned by a woman (Joanne?) from the Chicago area and could be bought for 250K. This was a few years back (maybe 2012) and the last time I spoke to John he told me she still owned the car and drives it on a occasion to local shows. I remember him telling me that it was all original sheet metal with original paint, motor and transmission. I'm sure the 250K is no longer a valid purchase price with the recent spike in Hemi cars (I could never afford it anyways).
That was also a Real Daytona , but not a factory Hemi Car 
GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Mopar John

moparstuart is correct that Joannes car is a real A4 Daytona but with a non original HEMI engine.
That Daytona was driven more miles and attended more shows than most!
Joanne sold the Daytona a couple of years ago and it's getting a top notch restoration!
Should be back out in the spring!
MJ

odcics2

Quote from: 6bblgt on November 26, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

The "70" production figure for Hemi Daytonas was a guess that was published in "Special Interest Auto" magazine in the late 70's.  It was an extrapolated number by the wing car guys of the time of known car/engine combinations.

To clarify, Galen was not on the scene yet. He started off in the early 80s. In 1985, I gave him a tour of Chrysler Engineering in Highland Park, MI.  He was there poking around for production numbers, option codes, owners info, etc. as he was ramping up his knowledge base. 
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

FJMG

Ambler, Pa. 412548 (chandler, Greene, wellborn) was T5 also, not T3.
I believe there is a pic of the b/c sheet on this site somewhere.


*edit*
interestingly enough, the registry shows an equal trans breakdown for the known hemi vins at 15 apiece.

hemi-hampton

Quote from: odcics2 on November 27, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 26, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

The "70" production figure for Hemi Daytonas was a guess that was published in "Special Interest Auto" magazine in the late 70's.  It was an extrapolated number by the wing car guys of the time of known car/engine combinations.

To clarify, Galen was not on the scene yet. He started off in the early 80s. In 1985, I gave him a tour of Chrysler Engineering in Highland Park, MI.  He was there poking around for production numbers, option codes, owners info, etc. as he was ramping up his knowledge base. 

To bad Chrysler threw all their paperwork in dumpster as they were moving out of Highland park. Anybody know what color the 99 Special order paint Daytona was? LEON.

nascarxx29

1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

odcics2

Quote from: hemi-hampton on November 27, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: odcics2 on November 27, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on November 26, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
& the long referenced Daytona HEMI production = 70 is WRONG!! (a GG "guesstimate" long ago)

The "70" production figure for Hemi Daytonas was a guess that was published in "Special Interest Auto" magazine in the late 70's.  It was an extrapolated number by the wing car guys of the time of known car/engine combinations.

To clarify, Galen was not on the scene yet. He started off in the early 80s. In 1985, I gave him a tour of Chrysler Engineering in Highland Park, MI.  He was there poking around for production numbers, option codes, owners info, etc. as he was ramping up his knowledge base.  

To bad Chrysler threw all their paperwork in dumpster as they were moving out of Highland park. Anybody know what color the 99 Special order paint Daytona was? LEON.


Gone before that.  In 85, Galen found little info around, just old timers that remembered it going to storage and never seen again...  :rotz:
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

held1823

Quote
Anybody know what color the 99 Special order paint Daytona was?

omaha orange
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

rotten1965

Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
moparstuart is correct that Joannes car is a real A4 Daytona but with a non original HEMI engine.
That Daytona was driven more miles and attended more shows than most!
Joanne sold the Daytona a couple of years ago and it's getting a top notch restoration!
Should be back out in the spring!
MJ

Mopar John, Is the new owner a current member here? And did they find the original numbers matching engine and transmission to make the A4 Daytona complete as the day it left the factory? I was not aware that the Hemi in that car wasn't Factory original, I was hoping that one of the eight unknown Hemi cars was an A4. Who can fill us in on the back story/history of that car? Did the owner who did the Hemi swap keep the original motor and tranny? Can you tell us who is doing the restoration and do they have pictures to share of the ongoing work?

Sorry for all the questions but I loved that car from the moment I laid eyes on it and now my dreams are shattered knowing that no Factory A4 Hemi Daytonas were ever made :'(. The A4 Daytona with a Black or White wing to me is the most amazing looking wing car ever made (Not crazy about the red wing or interior on some of the A4s). Any info on any of the A4s known to still exist would be great to share here on the aero car forum!

Aero426

Quote from: rotten1965 on December 01, 2016, 03:03:03 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
moparstuart is correct that Joannes car is a real A4 Daytona but with a non original HEMI engine.
That Daytona was driven more miles and attended more shows than most!
Joanne sold the Daytona a couple of years ago and it's getting a top notch restoration!
Should be back out in the spring!
MJ

Mopar John, Is the new owner a current member here? And did they find the original numbers matching engine and transmission to make the A4 Daytona complete as the day it left the factory? I was not aware that the Hemi in that car wasn't Factory original, I was hoping that one of the eight unknown Hemi cars was an A4. Who can fill us in on the back story/history of that car? Did the owner who did the Hemi swap keep the original motor and tranny? Can you tell us who is doing the restoration and do they have pictures to share of the ongoing work?

Sorry for all the questions but I loved that car from the moment I laid eyes on it and now my dreams are shattered knowing that no Factory A4 Hemi Daytonas were ever made :'(. The A4 Daytona with a Black or White wing to me is the most amazing looking wing car ever made (Not crazy about the red wing or interior on some of the A4s). Any info on any of the A4s known to still exist would be great to share here on the aero car forum!

When she bought it, JoAnnes silver L code Daytona came with a worn out Hemi with dual plug heads, running a single plug.   It was a junk engine that happened to run.     She had it replaced locally with a 440 that was not original to the car.    That is the engine that is in the car today.   

Mopar John

Quote from: rotten1965 on December 01, 2016, 03:03:03 AM
Quote from: Mopar John on November 27, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
moparstuart is correct that Joannes car is a real A4 Daytona but with a non original HEMI engine.
That Daytona was driven more miles and attended more shows than most!
Joanne sold the Daytona a couple of years ago and it's getting a top notch restoration!
Should be back out in the spring!
MJ

Mopar John, Is the new owner a current member here? And did they find the original numbers matching engine and transmission to make the A4 Daytona complete as the day it left the factory? I was not aware that the Hemi in that car wasn't Factory original, I was hoping that one of the eight unknown Hemi cars was an A4. Who can fill us in on the back story/history of that car? Did the owner who did the Hemi swap keep the original motor and tranny? Can you tell us who is doing the restoration and do they have pictures to share of the ongoing work?

Sorry for all the questions but I loved that car from the moment I laid eyes on it and now my dreams are shattered knowing that no Factory A4 Hemi Daytonas were ever made :'(. The A4 Daytona with a Black or White wing to me is the most amazing looking wing car ever made (Not crazy about the red wing or interior on some of the A4s). Any info on any of the A4s known to still exist would be great to share here on the aero car forum!
rotten1965,
The new owner is not a current member here. Like Aero426 stated the original 440 engine was discarded some time before the HEMI was installed and a non numbers 440 after.
I do know who is doing the work and it's top notch! The next time I speak with the owner I will ask about becoming a member here and sharing pictures of the restoration.
I also know one of the big reasons the current owner purchased this Daytona was for the color and the limited number produced in that color!
MJ

held1823

what are the last six of joanne's former a4? it is certainly a beautiful color combo.
Ernie Helderbrand
XX29L9B409053

Dave Kanofsky

Just for yucks, here's what it looked like after I detailed it, before it was sold...
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