For 69 large, you'd think that this thing should be perfect........

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Love the missing heater controls and how the exhaust tip bracket is fastened.. 


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-R-T-Rare-a-s-Match-440-Magnum-Original-4-Speed-Dana-60-Restored-Investment-Grade-/131226447396?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e8db4ae24&item=131226447396&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[JB400]

I'd consider the rat's nest wiring more of an issue than the exhaust tip brackets.  You don't need climate controls

[bill440rt]

It's missing the exhaust tip/hanger plates that go back there. Also, those are TTI tailpipes which have that hanger mount arm welded to them if you opt for their tips.

I agree, for an "investment grade" car you should at least be able to turn on the heat. 

[terrible one]

Check out the left frame rail near the rear leaf spring hanger, it looks like it has a real long tear/ gash

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Probably tore when it was on the frame straightener.     

[TUFCAT]

Charger script missing from sail panels, originally Y2 w/black stripe, sub-frame connectors, wildwood slotted rotors, horrible looking engine mods with ignition wires going God knows where, 3" exhaust, no heater/ventilation controls, JC Whitney Dana cover, no build-sheet (that's a biggie), etc., etc.,....."investment grade" my ass!    It would take lots of work and parts chasing to consider this "investment grade" and still no build-sheet.  Someone will certainly like it for what it is - but no reason to call it something its not.    

[Ghoste]

It's already being chastised in another thread I believe.

[hemi-hampton]

Some stuf I don't like.

[TUFCAT]

Good eye as usual Leon. The whole car looks messed up underneath!! 

[1974dodgecharger]

I didn't cut out my holes after i installed my trunk and floor pans either....

[myk]

Agreed. Why have the drains if you don't want them?  That's not a dealbreaker, neither is the collection of non stock parts.  The problem here is how sloppily everything was put together...

[hemi-hampton]

Certain things I look for that if not right it makes me think of a quicky Earl Scheib low budget Resto, Like the floor plugs not looking factory original, Caster Camber bolt painted body color, Caster Camber access plate being body color, Radiator core support body color. Pet Peeves of mine. Usually done incorrect due to lack of knowledge. LEON.

[hemi-hampton]

When I see crappy welds like this on a 1/4 panel I would not call it a high grade Resto.  At least grind them down some before painting. I can slap a car together in no time if I did work like this. Here's a pic of a 69 Roadrunner 1/4  panel I spot welded. Roadrunner has J55 undercoat option so most undercoat you see is factory. I did replace trunk extensions along with 1/4's. LEON.

[fy469rtse]

You missed the rust tech caps to outer torsion bar cross member,
Yes that wiring looks extremely bad at bulk head,
I know it's hard to make it look neat, but you have to be not trying at all to make it look that bad 

[six-tee-nine]

have no spot welder but I did grind my welds properly. OK after the final bodywork you wont see any welds or something that looks like the factory did, but I dont consider my work "low grade" because it is is'nt 99.5% factory looking.

I guess what bugs most of us here is the way the work was done related to the asking price.

[hemi-hampton]

have no spot welder but I did grind my welds properly. OK after the final bodywork you wont see any welds or something that looks like the factory did, but I dont consider my work "low grade" because it is is'nt 99.5% factory looking.

I guess what bugs most of us here is the way the work was done related to the asking price.

I consider it low grade because he did not grind them at all, not because they are not factory looking.

[1974dodgecharger]

The higher the price the more nit picky...I'm sure u guys would not complain if he asked for 15k. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I like the fact that its a factory V21 car

[TUFCAT]

I like the fact that its a factory V21 car

Okay....Now its investment grade!

[Ghoste]

Of course there'd be no complaint at 15k, thats the whole point.  If you ask perfection price you have to offer perfection product.

[TUFCAT]

Of course there'd be no complaint at 15k, thats the whole point.  If you ask perfection price you have to offer perfection product.

That's the exact problem.  Many of us "fault finders" (myself included) would be really happy for a friend buying this Charger for $35K or even $40K.  I'd certainly be willing to point out the cars "issues" to help him make a educated purchase before signing on the dotted line, but at the end of the day if he paid (even $30,000 less than) the asking price - I'd be ultimately happy for him.  He'd still be in a decent price range to justify the costs to make things "right".

The moral here is: for $30,000 less we'd be congratulating a new buyer, instead of shitting on this overpriced car!  

[hemi-hampton]

Of course there'd be no complaint at 15k, thats the whole point.  If you ask perfection price you have to offer perfection product.

That's the exact problem.  Many of us "fault finders" (myself included) would be really happy for a friend buying this Charger $35K or even $40K.  I'd certainly be willing to point out the cars "issues" to help him make a educated purchase before signing on the dotted line, but at the end of the day if he paid (even $30,000 less than) the asking price - I'd be ultimately happy for him.  He'd still be in a decent price range to justify the costs to make things "right".

The moral here is: for $30,000 less we'd be congratulating a new buyer, instead of shitting on this overpriced car!  

Yeah, what they said. LEON.

[TUFCAT]

The bid is now up to $45,400 {reserve not met}. That's more than I think its worth ..... Reserve over 45K??  Really?

Now I'll just shut up and watch.

[1974dodgecharger]

I once sold a car and told all buyers the issues with it they thought i was scamming them.  I then sold another car once in my life and lied my ass off telling people how great the car was and ever potential buyer thought i was the nicest person ever and honest.  WTF?

[Challenger340]

Pretty interesting Auction for me ?
I am always curious as an Engine Builder in my business... to know just what "quality", or more importantly the "specifications" to which these supposedly "Numbers Matching" high dollar restoration 440 Magnum Engine have been "restored" to ?

just say'in....
I have now literally "blown the doors off".... THREE supposedly concourse restored FAR NICER Cars than this one on Ebay, with my "bone stock"(as in never rebuilt or out of the car for any reason), untouched 133,000 original mile 440 Magnum.
As beautiful as the Cars themselves were.... absolutely NO CONTEST, and very "embarrassing" for the proud Owners.
My Point being.... and granted a little off-topic
but IMO,
very conspicuous with many of these restorations, is the complete absence of detail to restoring any of the Original Factory "performance" to the Engines ?
** FORGET the Block serial number being "matching" to the Car.... what's the point ?....  if it was rebuilt incorrectly by people who don't know any better, and it can't get out of it's own way ?

SO SAD !

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[Daytona R/T SE]

So...

How much more is it to throw in the spare tire and a jack ? 

[TUFCAT]

So...

How much more is it to throw in the spare tire and a jack ?  

Gosh....I didn't even notice and it was staring me in the face!! Guess I was sooo blown away by the other "investment grade" details I overlooked it.  

[A383Wing]

love the cheapo battery cable ends also

I would like to call seller up and ask why this is a "rotisserie resto".......

but I refrain.....(maybe)

[hemi-hampton]

More rips or gash's in frame. Probably got towed out of a muddy wet ditch years ago.

[TUFCAT]

That's frequently caused by unprofessional transport companies who don't know how to tie cars down. 

[hemi-hampton]

Trans crossmember looks like it got one of those CAPS welded over it. I've seen those CAPS in person & refused to use them. Good if your trying to save a cheap transportation special low budget car, but nothing you's want on a, What this guy calls a high grade investment. What you do is instead of cutting out or removing or replacing the crossmember you just weld this CAP over the top of the original holey rusted out crossmember. Hardly high grade or quality in my opinion. LEON.

[TUFCAT]

Saw that also.  I figured that's why the subframe connectors are there - to keep the whole rusted-out {investment grade} mess together.

[hemi-hampton]

Saw that also.  I figured that's why the subframe connectors are there - to keep the whole rusted-out {investment grade} mess together.

The connectors are there to keep the body from twisting from all that massive horse power. OR? You could be right

[six-tee-nine]

They must have been drinking alot before they started the wiring job....

you cant get around the fact that if all the little details where corners were cut on a restoration that you can see, then you can only be affraid of the things they did in hidden places.
probaly cant keep a fridge magnet to stick to the quarters.....

If you could buy this car from a private seller that tells you "OK I know she aint perfect, but I could'nt do better due to lack of skill" and buy it for a fair price then i say "nice car"

[A383Wing]

seller canceled all bids and ended the auction....only made it to $45k

either some dumb-ass bought it, or seller got too many calls on the car telling him what was wrong with it

[hemi-hampton]

High Bidder bid $59,999

[hemi-hampton]

Owner tells me this rare mint gem sold for the $69,990.00 buy it now price. Hope buyer is happy With that nice shiny paint I'm sure he is.

[A383Wing]

well, new owner is gonna be in for a few surprises, I'm sure

[TUFCAT]

Should have checked dodgecharger.com first before buying! 

[73rallye440magnum]

I understand this is a desirable combination, but I'm a little perplexed by how such a poorly detailed car could fetch that kind of coin.

Wagers on when it will be relisted?

[hemi-hampton]

Lot of people could care less about the little details. As long as it looks nice & drives OK that's good enough for some. Does not surprise me, I see Perfume on a Pig sell for big$$ all the time. LEON.

[VegasCharger]

love the cheapo battery cable ends also

I would like to call seller up and ask why this is a "rotisserie resto".......

but I refrain.....(maybe)

One of my pet peeves on these so called high end restos is these generic battery terminals 

[Ghoste]

Lot of people could care less about the little details. As long as it looks nice & drives OK that's good enough for some. Does not surprise me, I see Perfume on a Pig sell for big$$ all the time. LEON.

The auctions thrive on this very principle, it doesn't even have to drive nice.  There is a whole crew whose responsibility is to make sure it will run for the twenty seconds to get it on the block and then push it off.  No brakes, poorly detailed, leaky rad, bad steering, none of it matters as long as the paint is shiny the bidding hands will go up.

[TUFCAT]

Come to think of it this car would be a perfect candidate for the auctions.  I'm surprised they posted so many pictures and actually got it sold on the web.

[Ghoste]

Online auctions still rely on smoke and mirrors a lot of the times.