Did ford build a Jeep for the Vietnam war

[ACUDANUT]

Here we go. 

[ACUDANUT]

 

[JB400]

   Not in Jeep name though

[Drache]

M151a2 was it not?

[ACUDANUT]

Nope

[polywideblock]

that would be the memorable   "mutt"  if I'm not wrong    

[Drache]

that would be the memorable   "mutt"  if I'm not wrong    

Correct, also known as the Ford M151 or M151A2 (after the steering was improved)

[ACUDANUT]

Ford did not make a M-151a2.  They did however build the M-151 and M-151a1.  Am general came out with the A2. 

[Drache]

Ford did not make a M-151a2.  They did however build the M-151 and M-151a1.  Am general came out with the A2.  

Might want to tell a few museums because I've seen many M151A2 listed as Ford Built.  

"Although the M151 was developed and initially produced by Ford, production contracts for the M151A2 were later also awarded to Kaiser and AM General Corp, a subsidiary of AMC."

[ACUDANUT]

I have never seen a Later model of the M-151a2 built by Ford. That's all. I guess anything is possible.

[odcics2]

In WW2 there were a few companies making 'Jeeps".  Ford build 2xx,xxx of them!

[Ghoste]

But did they by the time of Vietnam?

[Drache]

But did they by the time of Vietnam?

Yes, I posted a picture of one

[Ghoste]

Is the Mutt considered a Jeep though?  Since by that time Jeep was making them as its own brand.  The WWII certainly would qualify in my opinion but is the Mutt not a different animal?

[Drache]

Is the Mutt considered a Jeep though?  Since by that time Jeep was making them as its own brand.  The WWII certainly would qualify in my opinion but is the Mutt not a different animal?

I would call Jeep/Mutt the same as Dart/Scamp 

[odcics2]

Timely find on allpar...

  http://www.allpar.com/history/bantam-jeep.html

Makes a very good read to increase the knowledge base.   

[ACUDANUT]

A jeep is a jeep, just like a truck is a truck.  A motorcycle is a motorcycle, regardless of who builds them. The Vietnam era M151's had twice the leg room and was a better 4x4 all around.

[Ghoste]

Is it? When it becomes a stand alone company and markets a vehicle with that name is it still?

[b5blue]

I've been waiting to see this mentioned: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M422_Mighty_Mite
Interesting there was no mention of the extremely rare "Flat bar grill" Jeeps. (The very earliest of the first Jeeps had grills made from flat bar stock.) 

[ACUDANUT]

A jeep is a jeep, just like a truck is a truck.  A motorcycle is a motorcycle, regardless of who builds them. The Vietnam era M151's had twice the leg room and was a better 4x4 all around.

X2

[Ghoste]

Quoting yourself so you can agree with yourself seems a little narcissistic.

[MaximRecoil]

The Vietnam era M151's had twice the leg room and was a better 4x4 all around.

The MUTT with its independent suspension isn't a "better 4x4 all around" than a traditional Jeep with its live axles, front and rear. Live axle setups usually have more suspension travel, and more importantly, when a wheel on one side of the vehicle is pushed up (such as when that wheel is on a big rock or stump), the wheel opposite of it is forced downward because they are connected to each other via the axle housing (picture a seesaw), helping to maintain its contact with the ground (which is where it needs to be to get traction, of course). The only thing forcing the opposite wheel down in an independent suspension setup is gravity, which won't stretch the spring very far. This principle can be demonstrated on an RTI ramp:

Significance of RTI and Axle Articulation

A high RTI or good axle articulation is essential for good off road performance on severe routes. A vehicle that has good axle articulation can keep all wheels in contact with the ground while traversing obstacles, which ensures that all wheels can deliver their torque to the surface with less risk of losing traction on any given wheel. All this can allow a very high level of off-road performance without the need for electronic chassis control systems that can be vulnerable and unreliable under extreme conditions.

Over a given obstacle, vehicles with simple AWD systems and chassis designs that restrict their RTI—i.e. that have poorer axle articulation—lift a wheel early which is then free to turn spinning away power unless differentials are able to be locked. A vehicle with high RTI tends to make uninterrupted (safer) progress as all wheels remain in contact with the ground during the maneuver. One chassis concept that often allows comparatively high RTI is the live axle (beam axle). Independent suspensions have tended to have reduced articulation while offering better on-road comfort, and are becoming increasingly popular in road-oriented SUVs.

This is why the '79 - '84 Toyota 4WD pickups are beloved by serious off-roaders, and '85 and up (when they went to IFS) are not. This is also why people who are serious about off-roading will spend big money to make extensive modifications in order to convert newer vehicles that came with IFS to a live axle setup, such as on this newer Toyota - link, and this newer GMC - link. It is also why the most extreme, custom-built, dedicated "rock crawler" buggies have live axles, front and rear, even though they could choose any suspension design they want - link.

Independent suspensions are for road manners, which is the most important thing to people who primarily use their 4WD vehicles as grocery-getters and transportation of their kids to and from soccer practice.

[odcics2]

A jeep is a jeep, just like a truck is a truck.  A motorcycle is a motorcycle, regardless of who builds them. The Vietnam era M151's had twice the leg room and was a better 4x4 all around.

X2

Tell that to a man that owns one.   And in May there are a lot more of them! 

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2014/06/jeep-global-sales-record

[ACUDANUT]

Quoting yourself so you can agree with yourself seems a little narcissistic.

Go by a "jeep" then and make yourself feel better.  I thought what I said makes more sense, than yours.  Peace brother.

[Ghoste]

That's all well and good but you didn't answer my question.  By the time of the Vietnam War, Jeep was a company so your statement that a jeep is a jeep a motorcycle is a motorcycle seemed too broad to me.  I felt the question about making it a generic product when it was a stand alone company was fair and clear.  If you marketed the facial tissue division of Facelle would you be pissed about people calling them Kleenex?
I was just asking the question, if you feel its a generic product apart from the company, great, just say so.  (and I don't worry one way or the other if you buy one or not) 

[ACUDANUT]

What was the question ?  I am not here to ague. Do you even a  Mutt?  I doubt it. 

[Ghoste]

The relevance being...?

[ACUDANUT]

The relevance being, why do you care if I call my Mutt a "Jeep". Do you own the "jeep" name ? What's your beef anyway? Geez

[Ghoste]

  Okay whatever, peace dude you win.

[JB400]

Looks like the Brazilians can still get a Ford version of a Jeep

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/04/ford-troller-t-brazil-suv/9891621/