A more humane way to execute prisoners....

[Mytur Binsdirti]

This is in response to the lethal injection debacle a couple of weeks ago.




http://www.theonion.com/video/ohio-replaces-lethal-injection-with-humane-new-hea,36077/

[NHCharger]

 

Got to love these people that complained about the botched execution. They seem to have forgotten about the young female victim that was raped, brutally tortured and then buried alive and left to die. BTW, didn't the murdered finally die? So how was is botched?

[myk]

Got to love these people that complained about the botched execution. They seem to have forgotten about the young female victim that was raped, brutally tortured and then buried alive and left to die. BTW, didn't the murdered finally die? So how was is botched?

Oh you know how our over-compassionate society is these days: the evil that criminals do isn't NEARLY as important as the idea of trying to sympathize and care for them; FORGIVE them.  Is raping, torturing and murdering a woman really all that bad?  

As far as I'm concerned there should be no consideration given to violent criminals; they act outside of the established values of civilized society and that makes them no different than a feral animal; they can die in agony and pain as they have inflicted on others, for all I care...

[ODZKing]

That's what Bill Mahar said on Real Time a couple weeks ago ... "he died didn't he, how was it botched"?

[ACUDANUT]

Seriously sad humor.    Since you brought it up though, my Vet put my horse down with 2 shots.  He just died quietly and appeared to die pain free....USE those drugs on criminals.

[MaximRecoil]

Seriously sad humor.    Since you brought it up though, my Vet put my horse down with 2 shots.  He just died quietly and appeared to die pain free....USE those drugs on criminals.

There are plenty of ways to execute painlessly. The most obvious way is to have an anesthesiologist put them under general anesthesia, and then it doesn't matter how they are executed, because they won't feel a thing. Another way is inert gas asphyxiation, which is also painless, unlike normal asphyxiation.

[JB400]

I have no mercy when it comes to my opinion on the death penalty, but if they're looking for a humane way to do it, take a page from the Nazi's and use the gas chamber.  Put the criminal in a sealed cell with them thinking they're in solitary confinement, close the door, and start pumping in CO.  Criminal just falls asleep and never wakes up.  No mess what so ever.  Afterwards, pump in fresh air to remove the CO, remove the body, who's next?

[Mike DC]

  


I've always found it ridiculous that the penal system struggles to find acceptable ways to kill people.  

Put a fucking needle full of dope in their arm. Problem solved.



All that being said, I do think these botched executions & long methods are unacceptable.  I'm not sorry for the criminal but when we cross over into torturous methods it reflects badly on our society.  We're embarrassing ourselves and stooping to their level.  

 

[Mopar Nut]

Bring back public hangings and show them on Pay Per View!

[Lord Warlock]

Bring back hanging, the firing squad, or electric chairs, all of which are much cheaper than paying for drugs and doctors to do the job "humanely".  Murderers do not deserve a humane death, they should be put down in the same manner that they killed their victims, even if it was drawn out and painful.  I'd be perfectly fine with burying them to the neck, pouring honey on them and letting red ants eat the skull a small bite at a time.  We shouldn't have to spend thousands of dollars each to put killers down after they've languished on death row for a decade or more. 

[twodko]

Like so many things in our country the ultra lib bleeding hearts have pretty much
strangled common sense and the obvious.
Tragically there will be those executed who'll be found innocent after the fact. In the last
3 decades or so forensic science has become close to indisputable. Hopefully this will help prevent
mistaken executions.
Those found guilty of such horrible crimes that a jury finds them death penalty guilty need to go.........most riki damn tik. None of this endless appeal crap lasting years. It would be the ultimate form of justice if we could kill these bastards in the same way they killed their victims but that would truly lower us as a society to their level.
I definitely think any humane method of execution should be used, even so, they still get better than
their victims. And none if this "they won't know what hit them" methods if execution, I want them to
know they are going to die for their crime in the next few minutes.
Myk, I understand it was just a metaphor but you can't compare these death row monster to any
animal. Animals are just life forms in the many levels of such in our world. They kill without malice,
only to survive and feed their young. Plus there is the natural culling of each specie.....strong survive to
maintain a healthy specie line, the weak get killed off for the same reason.

As people go, if society puts you on death row based on the evidence of your crime.......you are done.

[Daytona R/T SE]

Bang.


Done.


Oh...

Wait...


Somebody wanna hose the concrete off before it gets stained ?...

[Dino]

Ripping ones head off is humane?  Hmmm I don't think I have done my good dead for the day.   

Seriously, who comes up with this crap?  Did I not get the memo that we ran out of cyanide? 

[Ghoste]

It's a satire in response to the earlier botched one.

[Lord Warlock]

cyanide, while quick, isn't painless, its supposedly an agonizing way to go even if it does happen fairly quick.  Still think a bullet is cheaper and just as efficient.  However, if the killer killed a kid, we should get kids with no training shoot him, may take a few tries to do the job, most kids who play xbox aren't going to be traumatized by killing someone by a firing squad anyway.  (just put a silouette target in front of the killer to hide him from view, no see no trauma. 

[Dino]

cyanide, while quick, isn't painless, its supposedly an agonizing way to go even if it does happen fairly quick.  Still think a bullet is cheaper and just as efficient.  However, if the killer killed a kid, we should get kids with no training shoot him, may take a few tries to do the job, most kids who play xbox aren't going to be traumatized by killing someone by a firing squad anyway.  (just put a silouette target in front of the killer to hide him from view, no see no trauma. 

You're right so let me rephrase: cyanide after anesthetics.  Highly efficient, very cheap.

[Lord Warlock]

Anesthetics make it not cheap.  Plus the time billed for the anesthesiologist to administer them.  Bullet is still cheaper.

[twodko]

A lot to be said for one well placed .22lr..........cheap too.

[JB400]

The problem with using a bullet is getting someone to pull the trigger.  It's the only reason why it's not in use today.  A person may fire one or two bullets, but after a while, it starts getting to them.

[Mopar Nut]

Something needs to happen to these child molesters and killers like impale them on a pike and exhibited for all to see.

Oh, don't forget the Vaseline!

[polywideblock]

The problem with using a bullet is getting someone to pull the trigger.  It's the only reason why it's not in use today.  A person may fire one or two bullets, but after a while, it starts getting to them.

don't some Asian countries use an automated system with an M60 and 5 rounds 

[Mike DC]

  

There are plenty of fellow inmates on Death Row who could probably pull triggers all day long without guilt.  Have one of them do it.

[ACUDANUT]

I have no mercy when it comes to my opinion on the death penalty, but if they're looking for a humane way to do it, take a page from the Nazi's and use the gas chamber.  Put the criminal in a sealed cell with them thinking they're in solitary confinement, close the door, and start pumping in CO.  Criminal just falls asleep and never wakes up.  No mess what so ever.  Afterwards, pump in fresh air to remove the CO, remove the body, who's next?

 They should really execute inmates they same way they did it to their victims. There are plenty of inmate that would volunteer to rape and sodimize and kill.

[moparsr2fast]

 A guillotine  operated by remote control with the victim, or the closest relative given the remote. I like the bullet idea myself, but it would be difficult for many to actually pull the trigger. People would probably be fighting to be the one to use the remote though..

[Old Moparz]

George Carlin's idea is best.

[Cooter]

Should be a nationwide law...
whatever you did to cause death, that's EXACTLY how you die.
gun-gun.
stabbing-stabbing
suffocated-suffocated

No more pansy ass whining. Get it done. Put in an express lane. Your convicted and sentenced to death, you get no more than three (3) appeals. No more costing the taxpayers millions for your sorry ass to sit on death row for 15 years.

[FJ5WING]

I don't see why it has to be humane? 

I dont think you can get any cheaper than a piece of rope!

[twodko]

All of us are offending the ultralib, aluminum hat wearing, they can be rehabilitated bleeding hearts.

Poor, poor death row misguided gentle monsters. 

[Chargen69]

.25cent bullet to the base of the brain stem...  BANG, dead, done

[dual fours]

.25cent bullet to the base of the brain stem...  BANG, dead, done

or

[Lord Warlock]

It should be simple to design a computer operated machine to pull the trigger.  Just make sensors on the chair you sit the prisoner on, and as each buckle is fastened it begins an automated countdown, the weight of the prisoner being the one that activates the trigger mechanism, therefore those judged guilty are responsible for killing themselves. 

Relatively little blood to clean up as compared to guillotines, you'd know exactly where the bullet would shoot every time, no slip ups, we just need to remove the guilt feelings of the person who currently has to "flip the switch" or pull the trigger, so that it does not negatively impact the innocent minds not involved in the crime itself or the punishment. 

[Mike DC]

   
Somebody is always going to have to drop the platform, or pull the trigger, turn on the juice, turn on the gas, push the button for the IV chemicals, etc.  That can't be the reason to reject the use of a possible killing method.   


The fact that the system even struggles with this is disturbing.  I just don't think competent people would have much trouble devising practical fast low-pain methods. 
 

[Tilar]

 

There are plenty of fellow inmates on Death Row who could probably pull triggers all day long without guilt.  Have one of them do it.

[flyinlow]

Harvest their usable organs for people who need them.  Bury the rest.

[Daytona R/T SE]

It should be simple to design a computer operated machine to pull the trigger.  Just make sensors on the chair you sit the prisoner on, and as each buckle is fastened it begins an automated countdown, the weight of the prisoner being the one that activates the trigger mechanism, therefore those judged guilty are responsible for killing themselves. 

Relatively little blood to clean up as compared to guillotines, you'd know exactly where the bullet would shoot every time, no slip ups, we just need to remove the guilt feelings of the person who currently has to "flip the switch" or pull the trigger, so that it does not negatively impact the innocent minds not involved in the crime itself or the punishment. 

That sounds to me like something the governmet could spend 40 billion and ten years

Developing and still fuck it up.

A 30 30 Winchester will do the trick for a buck a shot, and at a distance well outside the splatter zone.

Ask for volunteers.

I'll bet there would be a line a mile long.

We could always give the criminal a running start.

Call it a sport.

Televise it.

Give the money to the victim's families.

[Ghoste]

Harvest their usable organs for people who need them.  Bury the rest.

Coincidentally I was listening to a tv program this weekend where an inmate was spared the death sentence because he was dying and needed an organ transplant.  The part that caught my ear the most was that he was denied the organ transplant and some nice woman activist whose heart was bleeding heavily felt angered that the system would dare deny the poor man an organ transplant.
I couldn't help wonder if she would feel so devoted to her cause if the guy had raped and killed her child.  Better yet, I wonder if she had a child awaiting organ transplant and they told her "gee lady, we know your kid should have a chance to live the life that would normally be in front of her but this old murderer in prison had his name on the list ahead of you".  I bet that would close that gaping wound in her heart.

[ACUDANUT]

A 22 bullet is only 5 cents.

[Silver R/T]

Cheap and effective.

[Mike DC]

Coincidentally I was listening to a tv program this weekend where an inmate was spared the death sentence because he was dying and needed an organ transplant.  The part that caught my ear the most was that he was denied the organ transplant and some nice woman activist whose heart was bleeding heavily felt angered that the system would dare deny the poor man an organ transplant.
I couldn't help wonder if she would feel so devoted to her cause if the guy had raped and killed her child.  Better yet, I wonder if she had a child awaiting organ transplant and they told her "gee lady, we know your kid should have a chance to live the life that would normally be in front of her but this old murderer in prison had his name on the list ahead of you".  I bet that would close that gaping wound in her heart.

That really is messed up. 


There's no limit to the absurdity of people out there.  The activist in that story doesn't surprise me. 

But . . . what JUDGE would decide that an inmate needing an organ-transplant was a valid reason not to execute him?

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That sounds to me like something the governmet could spend 40 billion and ten years developing and still fuck it up.

LOL, so true. 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

But . . . what JUDGE would decide that an inmate needing an organ-transplant was a valid reason not to execute him?

There is just no level of stupid absurd rulings that comes from sitting judges.....



http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/04/health/massachusetts-sex-change-surgery-inmate/

[Patronus]

Should be a nationwide law...
whatever you did to cause death, that's EXACTLY how you die.
gun-gun.
stabbing-stabbing
suffocated-suffocated

No more pansy ass whining. Get it done. Put in an express lane. Your convicted and sentenced to death, you get no more than three (3) appeals. No more costing the taxpayers millions for your sorry ass to sit on death row for 15 years.

I couldn't agree more. Like the last asshole that raped her and then buried her alive. That's the way he goes too. Thats it, done. Obviously there's no deterrent. No real penalty. Some people kill and are out in months. Thats the problem, people who kill aren't afraid to kill. Why should they be? Let the criminals come up with the crime and the punishment.

[nvrbdn]

this just happened in missouri.

   a convicted murderer set to die had his execution held up because he has an illness and they had to decide if the shots would cause him discomfort while killing him.

    are you serious?  did he care about the discomfort of the person he was killing?

heal him so we can kill him?  he is getting ready to die. that will take care of the illness!!!!!!!!

[ACUDANUT]

What we need in Mo/Ks is a express lane for convicted murders. Just like TX. 

[Mike DC]

I couldn't agree more. Like the last asshole that raped her and then buried her alive. That's the way he goes too. Thats it, done. Obviously there's no deterrent. No real penalty. Some people kill and are out in months. Thats the problem, people who kill aren't afraid to kill. Why should they be? Let the criminals come up with the crime and the punishment.

Execution will never serve as much of a deterrent anymore.   Not unless we go back to carrying out the executions very quickly after the crime.  But we stopped doing that partly for good reasons.  The fast trials & executions people used to do 150 years ago are pretty reckless in terms of getting the wrong man.

Besides, too many of the convicts aren't going to be deterred/punished for other reasons.  Sociopathic, mentally or emotionally retarded, masochists, guys who just feel badass knowing they're getting executed, etc.  Death row is not representative of the normal population.   Capital punishment is a deterrent/punishment for some of the death row population but not nearly all of it. 

[Tilar]

I couldn't agree more. Like the last asshole that raped her and then buried her alive. That's the way he goes too. Thats it, done. Obviously there's no deterrent. No real penalty. Some people kill and are out in months. Thats the problem, people who kill aren't afraid to kill. Why should they be? Let the criminals come up with the crime and the punishment.

Execution will never serve as much of a deterrent anymore.   Not unless we go back to carrying out the executions very quickly after the crime.  But we stopped doing that partly for good reasons.  The fast trials & executions people used to do 150 years ago are pretty reckless in terms of getting the wrong man.

Besides, too many of the convicts aren't going to be deterred/punished for other reasons.  Sociopathic, mentally or emotionally retarded, masochists, guys who just feel badass knowing they're getting executed, etc.  Death row is not representative of the normal population.   Capital punishment is a deterrent/punishment for some of the death row population but not nearly all of it. 

From my perspective it doesn't matter if it is a deterrent to them or not they still die. Hang them in the street and you can charge money to watch it on Pay-Per-View for all I care, Get them out of the system and stop feeding the pricks on our dime.

[Mike DC]

From my perspective it doesn't matter if it is a deterrent to them or not they still die. Hang them in the street and you can charge money to watch it on Pay-Per-View for all I care, Get them out of the system and stop feeding the pricks on our dime.

And that is why I don't object to capital punishment.  The system is a mess, but still, hardly anyone ends up on death row these days without doing something pretty friggin' bad.  Some things just cannot be tolerated.