XV Motorsports modified '69...not feeling it for the 85k price tag

[Ghoste]

Yeah, I'm sure he was still hoping for a lot more than the 40k it sold for.  The restomod craze isn't a cheap plunge in the hobby and it is very personalized so I think it becomes more difficult than it should be to get good money for cars customized with this latest fad.

[69bronzeT5]

From what I saw on the invoices, they overcharged him out the ass for EVERYTHING...

[b5blue]

Click on the ebay link. That's the last page of the invoice there are 4 pages to the invoice.

My bad, seeing that one page was enough punishment! 

[Mike DC]

   
Did XV have a specific hourly labor rate?  Or was their labor bill just a bunch of numbers picked out of the air for each thing they did? 

 

 

[myk]

40K?  Ouch...

[fy469rtse]

Cheap car for 40 k , parts and such , engine drive line etc, you would spend hat easily Myk, what have you spent over the years,
Just needs decent paint job to make it pop
Mark , those bars in the engine bay , to hang your lead light on when your working , or they were left over from a mustang they just built, ! What the hell throw em on there and tell everyone there for handling and charge the owner another 1 k 10 hours to fit

[Ghoste]

The color is one of the things I like most about it.

[myk]

Cheap car for 40 k , parts and such , engine drive line etc, you would spend hat easily Myk, what have you spent over the years,
Just needs decent paint job to make it pop
Mark , those bars in the engine bay , to hang your lead light on when your working , or they were left over from a mustang they just built, ! What the hell throw em on there and tell everyone there for handling and charge the owner another 1 k 10 hours to fit

That's what I'm saying; the "ouch" refers to the low price that the seller got for such an expensively built car; that build easily cost him twice as much as it sold for...

[Challenger340]

I'd like to know what the tubes are bolted to on the other side of the firewall. Don't look like that they would do very much.

Ah C'Mon you guys...
EVERYBODY knows... that to pass Tech Inspection with the Fast'N Furious 4" FartPipe crowd, the rulebook clearly reads.....

16.417.1 states
Wiper Motor Rollbars Mandatory
"All Windshield Wiper Motors must be securely protected from lateral collision impacts by no less than 1" Diameter .080" wall moly tubing, 4 point minimum mounted diagonals, with no less than two grade 5 Bolts per mount..... NO EXCEPTIONS !"

[6spd68]

lol XV needed to give the driver that race cred, for when he shows off his engine to others that aren't in the know 

[Troy]

A. What makes you think XV forced the owner of the car to buy anything? Surely the guy with the checkbook had a say in what went on his car.
B. You guys know that car has been converted to a coil over front suspension right? That little bar in the engine compartment does actually do something...

If I had any money at all I'd hang around rich guys who like their toys - just to buy the "cast-offs". Some killer deals out there on highly modified cars! I think they all know they're going to lose money but the dream of having a "one off" car is stronger.

Troy

[Challenger340]

B. You guys know that car has been converted to a coil over front suspension right? That little bar in the engine compartment does actually do something...

nope, I didn't know that ?
Hmmm...
You might have a point there Troy ?

But I still believe, IMO....
that if a person is "permanently" converting..... something as important to safety as a "coil over" front steering suspension... with the need therein for re-enforcing the top mount ?... if THAT is the intent of the bar ?
it should be done in a manner equally "permanent" to the uni-body construction.... as in "permanent" by welding.
What happens if the Bolts come loose ?
What happens if somebody forgets to re-install the Bar ?

It is probably functional to added strength on the top coil over mount.... no doubt about that.... but I believe it was more "looks", than "function" if it comes to liabilities over time ?

[73rallye440magnum]

From a statics standpoint, bolts behave the same as a weldment.

[Kern Dog]

"Handling" seems to be a tough sell to this Mopar crowd. Life is more than 1320 feet of arrow straight pavement.
Triangulating is a proven theory in many conditions. It works. If the car had the reinforcements on the interior side of the firewall, the bracing would be effective in the same way that subframe connectors are.
In 1973, the A body line got 2 diagonal braces from the firewall to the fenders. I'm sure the b body line did too. While the braces were not nearly as robust as the one on this XV car, the theory is valid. Ever look at a 60s Mustang? Same principal in play there. Don't dismiss the bracing as being on par with Chrome chinese valve covers or Honda fart pipes because YOU don't understand it.
Cornering is so much more fun than drag racing. A car that can turn corners can still be fast in the 1/4 mile. A dragstrip car usually can't corner worth a damn.

[Ghoste]

Hard cornering is more fun to some, not all.  I've done both and I much prefer drag racing.  I think a lot of the restomod cars though don't actually do much of either, a lot of folks do it because its the in thing right now.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

B. You guys know that car has been converted to a coil over front suspension right? That little bar in the engine compartment does actually do something...

nope, I didn't know that ?
Hmmm...
You might have a point there Troy ?

But I still believe, IMO....
that if a person is "permanently" converting..... something as important to safety as a "coil over" front steering suspension... with the need therein for re-enforcing the top mount ?... if THAT is the intent of the bar ?
it should be done in a manner equally "permanent" to the uni-body construction.... as in "permanent" by welding.
What happens if the Bolts come loose ?
What happens if somebody forgets to re-install the Bar ?

It is probably functional to added strength on the top coil over mount.... no doubt about that.... but I believe it was more "looks", than "function" if it comes to liabilities over time ?

The XV kit does have a main shock tower support that is welded in to the shock towers so all the force is not put on a bolted on engine brace.

The engine bay support is mainly there to tie together the two sides and does make a difference. Also needs to be bolted on or doing any engine work would be a huge pain. Each mounting point also has steel plates that should be welded in to add strength.

XV did have some great ideas that were well thought out.

[myk]

"Handling" seems to be a tough sell to this Mopar crowd. Life is more than 1320 feet of arrow straight pavement.
Triangulating is a proven theory in many conditions. It works. If the car had the reinforcements on the interior side of the firewall, the bracing would be effective in the same way that subframe connectors are.
In 1973, the A body line got 2 diagonal braces from the firewall to the fenders. I'm sure the b body line did too. While the braces were not nearly as robust as the one on this XV car, the theory is valid. Ever look at a 60s Mustang? Same principal in play there. Don't dismiss the bracing as being on par with Chrome chinese valve covers or Honda fart pipes because YOU don't understand it.
Cornering is so much more fun than drag racing. A car that can turn corners can still be fast in the 1/4 mile. A dragstrip car usually can't corner worth a damn.

Glad to see that someone actually gets it...

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[Ghoste]

Not a horrible car is it?  I like the color but dont care for the aftermarket seats and Grant steering wheel at all and the dub wheels make me retch but thats all stuff you can fix.  I hope the new owner is happy, they should be.

[Challenger340]

B. You guys know that car has been converted to a coil over front suspension right? That little bar in the engine compartment does actually do something...

nope, I didn't know that ?
Hmmm...
You might have a point there Troy ?

But I still believe, IMO....
that if a person is "permanently" converting..... something as important to safety as a "coil over" front steering suspension... with the need therein for re-enforcing the top mount ?... if THAT is the intent of the bar ?
it should be done in a manner equally "permanent" to the uni-body construction.... as in "permanent" by welding.
What happens if the Bolts come loose ?
What happens if somebody forgets to re-install the Bar ?

It is probably functional to added strength on the top coil over mount.... no doubt about that.... but I believe it was more "looks", than "function" if it comes to liabilities over time ?

The XV kit does have a main shock tower support that is welded in to the shock towers so all the force is not put on a bolted on engine brace.

The engine bay support is mainly there to tie together the two sides and does make a difference. Also needs to be bolted on or doing any engine work would be a huge pain. Each mounting point also has steel plates that should be welded in to add strength.

XV did have some great ideas that were well thought out.

So is this in the above photo..... the "welded in shock tower support" component on the inside of the front wheel well ?

Yes, I GET the whole triangulation thing.... and stiffening up a unibody in general.... we used to share Shop Space with Ground Zero Race Cars, a tiny bit rubbed off....... that's not my point !

How are the Triangulated front shock supports tied to.... and throughout the Cab Component Unibody? with no Cage present, or direct transfer to a subframe connector?

Is it just through the "weld affected" areas of the Firewall and Inner Aprons ? or something else unseen ?

BTW... Nice Front Seats and Headrests

IMO,
I think people that spend many THOUSANDS of Dollars, for example: repairing a "detonation" problem the WRONG way..... because THEY don't understand it, and have trouble with making Horsepower in general.... should stick with "cornering".... and the simple stuff like "triangulation"... as much more "Fun" with THEIR 40 year old Cars ?
You still have to STOP at the stoplight.... wherein... you should be really adept at "turning" ... BEFORE it turns green !

[74Rallye]

Awesome car, except for those wheels.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

So is this in the above photo..... the "welded in shock tower support" component on the inside of the front wheel well ?

Yes, I GET the whole triangulation thing.... and stiffening up a unibody in general.... we used to share Shop Space with Ground Zero Race Cars, a tiny bit rubbed off....... that's not my point !

How are the Triangulated front shock supports tied to.... and throughout the Cab Component Unibody? with no Cage present, or direct transfer to a subframe connector?

Is it just through the "weld affected" areas of the Firewall and Inner Aprons ? or something else unseen ?

BTW... Nice Front Seats and Headrests

IMO,
I think people that spend many THOUSANDS of Dollars, for example: repairing a "detonation" problem the WRONG way..... because THEY don't understand it, and have trouble with making Horsepower in general.... should stick with "cornering".... and the simple stuff like "triangulation"... as much more "Fun" with THEIR 40 year old Cars ?
You still have to STOP at the stoplight.... wherein... you should be really adept at "turning" ... BEFORE it turns green !

Ok, maybe that was a bad example. That pic just showed one piece of the support on a stock suspension b body, not the XV frame. The XV kit has a whole weld in shock tower that replaces the stock tower and is directly welded to the frame. Is it as strong as a tube frame chassis all welded up...of course not, it is a street car not a race car that is using the areas it can work with. The setup wasn't meant to eliminate all the flex, just reduce it. I didn't design it or build it so I can't tell you where all the transfer of energy is or how they reinforced everything to tie it all together but some chassis stiffening is better than none.

Was the above comment really necessary? I could argue with your comment of why would anyone put tens of thousands of dollars into a 600+ horsepower engine for the street, when they will be stopping at the same red light...A lot of good its doing them at a red light. And all that power is necessary in a 35mph zone...right?   

[bill440rt]

I wonder what the new owner is going to change on it to suit their tastes? 
Maybe they'll just leave it alone? 
Or not...