A new beginning...adding the V21 to the '69..DONE!!

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

After 7 years of contemplating (basically being wishy washy) I finally made the move and added the V21 Hood Performance Treatment to my car!  My good friend Bill (bill440rt) always said he was willing to do it when I grew some balls.  Well today was the day that I grew some!

Made the hour drive over to Bills this AM, armed with my V21 template that was made for me almost 9 years ago by member LeesRT.   His car was an originally optioned V21 car that was unrestored.




Only used the template as a guide...we really couldnt use it as it sits.  Had to measure, remeasure & measure again to get the angles right on both sides.  Bill made his own template of sorts for the curves & layed out the fine line tape by hand...





After about 2-3 hours of taping & re taping he finally got the outline where we both felt it was correct...
Did a little extra wet sanding where the old 440 decals were to remove any ghosting effect of the decals


After fully masking the car (very professionally I might add....learned some tips about masking & covering a car with plastic from the Mann as well), we went ahead & scuffed the clear coat with some Scotch brite pads to let the new paint have something to grab onto...


Oh look!  A rare glimpse of the Mann at work!  Applying the Final Klean and tack clothing the dust away  


He then applied the first coat of SEM's Hot Rod Black.  http://www.semproducts.com/hot-rod-black-kit/

I chose this paint for its sheen and hopefully its ease of care.  The original Organasol can get very hard to keep clean & spot free.  Also the Organasol is lacquer based which can be harder to work with.

Bill then "dry sprayed" 2-3 more coats to give it some "texture"   This pic shows it still wet.  When it finally dried the texture lessened and dried with some texture. (Still got to get a dry close up)


After letting it dry for 3-4 hours, the masking came off & revealed a brand new car for me!

I think it came out great & really changed the look of the car.  Definitely something "different" of which I really enjoy...setting it apart form the rest.



Just gotta put the trim & wipers back on...hopefully wont scratch anything!

Heres the Mann himself saying "Sheesh I'm glad thats over!!"

[Ghoste]

Wow Chris, that looks fantastic!!!

[TUFCAT]

I love it!! I must admit I was on the fence, but not anymore!  Glad you got those tungsten carbide balls out of your pants after 7 years!

[tracpack440]

That looks great.  Was this a option for 69's

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

That looks great.  Was this a option for 69's

Yes sir!  Mid year option.  The '69 version of the V21 was unique in the way it covered the entire cowl area and curved to the windshield where the "70 version was just 2 separate straight back to the windshield stripes

This is the '69 bulletin....

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I love it!! I must admit I was on the fence, but not anymore!  Glad you got those tungsten carbide balls out of your pants after 7 years!

LoL Tom!!! 

[Charger-Bodie]

Looks great Chris and Bill! Thinking of adding this to my f8  69 r/t as we'll.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

Looks real good! 

[72Charger-SE]

Wow... That really 'pops'...  Great Decision!

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Sharp!! 

[69wannabe]

Looks sweet!!!!! I love it!!!!! 

[Daytona R/T SE]

Looks GREAT !

But...

How many calendars, clocks, mugs and puzzles are going to have to be updated with the new look ?

[Mopar Nut]

Wow, I really like it. He did an outstanding job!   

[Beep Beep Dave]

The car really looks good with the Performance Hood Paint Chris
I think that guy has a swap space across from my Buffalo buddies at Carlisle down on the 1st row. Great guys who are always having lots of fun.

Dave

[cdr]

i really like it !!!

[Lord Warlock]

congratulations, and welcome to the v21 club, at least the club of those who put it on regardless of whether it was coded for it or not.  Mine was built before the option was available, but it needed it, I think the car looks a lot better with the v21 stripe kit on it. 

[bill440rt]

Great pics & write-up, Chris!  

This was the second V21 project for us. I always get the jitters when working on others' cars, but this was something Chris had wanted for years but was always on the fence about. He bravely made a good call, the V21 REALLY sets his car off! It was an honor to help out a friend.
The paint laid out a little more than what is pictured, it took on a slight textured surface very similar to Organisol. The Hot Rod Black from SEM is nice stuff to work with!

Chris, your car is REALLY going to get some attention now!  

[bill440rt]

The car really looks good with the Performance Hood Paint Chris
I think that guy has a swap space across from my Buffalo buddies at Carlisle down on the 1st row. Great guys who are always having lots of fun.

Dave

Nope. Not me, Dave.
I attend Carlisle as a spectator/participant only. 

[1970Moparmann]

Great job guys!   Bill be honest, was Chris smoking three cigs at once?? LOL

[bill440rt]

Great job guys!   Bill be honest, was Chris smoking three cigs at once?? LOL

We joked about doing Fireball shots beforehand!   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks really nice and now that you've grown a pair, you need to show the world............

[BrianShaughnessy]

     I like it.    Congrats!


Definitely something to consider with Sinnamon BUT the 69 pattern seems to flow into a vinyl roof wheras I would not have that... 

[JB400]

Came out looking good

[69chargerboy]

Now that looks great! Very nice! 

[crj1968]

Totally awesome! I can see why you would be nervous about it, I would be too, but it looks great.

 

[Cooter]

Wonder if vinyl would do the same?  Of course, it won't be textured, but....

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Vinyl would be extremely difficult to get coverage in the cowl area grills

Thanks for the kind words all!

Mark, do those come in orange? 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Mark, do those come in orange? 

Maybe, but if not, I'm sure that you can find a color that will go nicely with your car.

http://www.bullsballs.com/

[johntpr]

Nice work Guys!

[TruckDriver]

Looks great!! 

[Lord Warlock]

mind explaining the dry spray technique to get the texture

[PtitRaisin]

Looks very nice!

[tan top]

    looks  real good ! awesome job guys    ,


hmmm      can anyone  photo shop V21 on a Y2 car     

[RJS]

Vinyl would be extremely difficult to get coverage in the cowl area grills

Thanks for the kind words all!

Mark, do those come in orange? 

Buy the red ones and shoot them "Hot Rod Black"!!!!

The car came out great but it's no Satellite

[Chris G.]

Love It!! Bill is the "Mann" to go to.  I can't wait to see it.

It's parking outside in PA though. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

The car came out great but it's no Satellite

Thank goodness for that

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

mind explaining the dry spray technique to get the texture

Ill let Bill field that one....

Heres a shot after it dried over night.  Yo can see the texture "laid down" quite a bit but its still there.   Never really got close to true Organasol personally to see the amount of texture/sheen.

can anyone judge how close it is from the pic??

[Dino]

Awesome!   

I'll have a bit of time off this July to do this to mine.   

[bill440rt]

It did lay down better as it cured I see, Chris.  
Given the painting conditions in a home garage it turned out as best as possible.

These modern paints are not like paints of yesteryear. No suppliers here in NJ even carry lacquer anymore, & only a few resto shops have original cans of Organisol left.
Lacquer is the least durable auto paint, so the only way to get it anywhere close to any rough texture like tail panels, dashes, stripes etc is with spraying technique.
First step is to apply 1-2 coats of color as normal, just for coverage. In this case only 1 coat of Hot Rod black was needed. This was allowed to fully flash. Next is all in technique. Air pressure is turned up slightly, and the fluid needle is turned in a little on the gun. The gun is held further away from the surface, in this case about 24" - 30".
At this point you are just evenly dusting the paint on. The mist of paint somewhat dries before it hits the surface, hence the name "dry spray". It needs to go on evenly also so it is not blotchy.
It was given about 2-3 "dry" coats. As the mist hits the surface it gives it a texture, very similar to Organisol or other paints of the like.

[Lord Warlock]

Thanks Bill,  thought it probably meant shooting it from further away to let it dry as it settled to the surface, I did that a little to try to get the blending right to avoid getting stripes showing in the paint, I used the totally auto organisol in a can for mine, but also have a quart of hot rod black sitting on the shelf in case i ran out. 

My experience with lacquer is minimal, the stealth turbo i have has a black roof and pop up headlights and i tried using lacquer for that but it made clouds of mist above the surface as I sprayed and was hard to judge the coverage.  When i got done it looked fine but color sanding cut through the paint which told me I didn't lay enough coats, I'll try it again in the future, never afraid to try something, but have learned to avoid cheap ebay paints, i'll stick with custom mixes from the local finishmasters I've used for years.

[bakerhillpins]

WOW guys, looks wonderful. Can't wait to see it in person at Carlisle this year.   

[indreams84]

This looks great! Now it's got me considering as well on my 69' Y3 R/T w/ black vinyl top....

[BrianShaughnessy]

Bill,

   Have you ever checked out some spray can black rock chip paint  aka SEM  ?   As far as the texture as compared to Organisoll? 

[firefighter3931]

Wow....that looks great & the steelies/poverty caps finish off the badboy look 

Nice work Bill & Chris ! 


Ron

[hemigeno]

Chris, that really does look great!   

I did not realize how well the '69 V21 pattern would flow with the vinyl roof, but it ties everything together quite well.  That shot from the front of the car shows it off the best.



Was Bill just mugging for the camera in his glamor shot, or is that some secret SINY sign we should know about?

[kokxville]

Looks great Chris.
Nice job Bill 

[bill440rt]

Chris, that really does look great!   

I did not realize how well the '69 V21 pattern would flow with the vinyl roof, but it ties everything together quite well.  That shot from the front of the car shows it off the best.


Was Bill just mugging for the camera in his glamor shot, or is that some secret SINY sign we should know about?

 

I think we were just both relieved it was over and Chris made the right decision.
We were done around early afternoon, and Chris generously lended me a hand with another little project I had going on for my '69. Which, I think turned out to be more than a challenge than his V21! 

The more I look at his car the more I really like the V21 on it. You're right Gene, it does really compliment the look of the car.
Chris, have you tried installing the Cragars yet to compare the look? 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Nope no Cragars yet Bill...haven't even put the wipers/trim back on yet!  Im afraid of scratching the paint!

I did not realize how well the '69 V21 pattern would flow with the vinyl roof, but it ties everything together quite well.  That shot from the front of the car shows it off the best.

I agree.  The vinyl top accentuates the V21.  The vinyl top was not a mandatory option with the V21.  You could get it without the top as seen on this unrestored car

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Hmmm...Is this next

[TUFCAT]

To hood pin or not to hood pin??    Now there's a tough one! ....I'm voting "no" on that.  

[Ghoste]

I say hood pins. 

[TUFCAT]

My problem with hood pins on the 2nd generations is the location. If I recall, they appear to be too far back from the front edge of the hood and close to the scallops.    I'd like to see a picture to remind me of what they look like.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Here they are on an originally coded V21 & J45 hood pin RT/SE.....this car is undergoing a resto now & is nearly done!

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,75726.0.html

[TUFCAT]

Thanks, I knew you would have a picture Chris!  I was right about the location. I'm still not a fan of hood pins on 2nd gens,  BUT I must say that Charger looks fine with the V21 hood blackout treatment and hood pins....I'm not convinced hood pins look good without V21.  

By the way, you don't need to do anything....I think your car looks cleaner without them IMO!  

[RJS]

I put this in bold so you see it.
Absolutely not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bill440rt]

Chris, you know where I stand. I gotta side with Tuffy & Ron. It's totally your car, but my thoughts is that the whole car flows very nicely now with the V21. It looks real smooth. 
I would think the pins would detract from this. 

For some reason the '70 Chargers lend themselves better to hood pins. Maybe it's the different placement, or the combination with the loop bumper, not sure. Out of the 2nd gens they just look the best on '70's IMHO. 

[Ghoste]

And I agree with you all personally, but... Chris has always had a love for the hood pins.

[Dodge Don]

DAYUM THAT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

[JB400]

Can you handle the stress of drilling 2 holes in what appears to be a perfectly mint hood?

[Lord Warlock]

Tend to agree, not a fan of hood pins on these cars at least.  Understand the retro look is cool and all, but I never liked the cables looping to the grill, just distracted the lines of the front end for me.  Never worried about the hood flying off of mine, but it isn't latching right at the moment so maybe i should get worried.  Not afraid to drill a hole, but don't like the wires. 

[tan top]

Chris, you know where I stand. I gotta side with Tuffy & Ron. It's totally your car, but my thoughts is that the whole car flows very nicely now with the V21. It looks real smooth. 
I would think the pins would detract from this. 

For some reason the '70 Chargers lend themselves better to hood pins. Maybe it's the different placement, or the combination with the loop bumper, not sure. Out of the 2nd gens they just look the best on '70's IMHO. 

X2     

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I am tending to agree with the "no" voters.  The pins never really looked right on a 68-69 but like Bill said on a '70 they look right at home......I think the hole drilling will be on hold for now....maybe 7 years from now?

[RJS]

And I agree with you all personally, but... Chris has always had a love for the hood pins.

Yes but you have to remember, he always had a strange LOVE for me. Now not so much!!!!!!

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

[RJS]

All kidding aside I think that car has reached it's peak!!!  I don't think it ever looked better...
Ron

[Laxy]

That looks insanely good, the V21 plus rear stripe and vinyl top are perfect. I'm a '68 man but holy crap that would make me turn in an instant!

[TPR]

Chris, you know where I stand. I gotta side with Tuffy & Ron. It's totally your car, but my thoughts is that the whole car flows very nicely now with the V21. It looks real smooth. 
I would think the pins would detract from this. 

For some reason the '70 Chargers lend themselves better to hood pins. Maybe it's the different placement, or the combination with the loop bumper, not sure. Out of the 2nd gens they just look the best on '70's IMHO. 

X2     

X3 Great job Fellas.
So was it the newly released Autoworld diecast that finally convinced you to go ahead with it?
TPR

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Definitely gave me some more motivation

[don duick]

looks great now tempted to do same. sort of know how you feel. It took me 11 years to finally decide on painting black DMCL stripes on my 70 charger. 

[tan top]

  not wanting to hijack  , thought be good to put this here 
  V21  charger on Ebay  , no longer original color combo though     



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-R-T-Rare-s-Match-440-Magnum-Original-4-Speed-Dana-60-Restored-Investment-Grade-/131226447396?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e8db4ae24&item=131226447396&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[Ghoste]

And although it admittedly looks good now, I think the original combo would have been striking!

[comet_666]

Yah that really makes a difference! Love it!
Did they do that in white at all?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Yah that really makes a difference! Love it!
Did they do that in white at all?

Could have been gotten with any exterior color.  When I was actively doing the 69 Registry, I didnt have any W1 white cars registered.  Had V2 Hemi Orange with the most with B5 Blue following in second...

[JB400]

I think he was talking about the color of the stripes, not the base color of the car.