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Rougher than rough 68 Charger 383 4 speed

Started by Edelbroke, April 20, 2014, 06:16:18 PM

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Edelbroke

I went and looked at this 68 today. Brought a trailer along but decided not to buy. It's a 383 4 speed non r/t. Missing drivers door, trunk lid and most of the floors. Front frame rails actually looked usable. Rear rails gone. Seats laying inside. Dash hacked up. Headlights and actuators are there. No motor, trans, rear end. No title but vin tag present. I said what the hell when I got there but the more I looked at it, I was afraid of ripping it in half winching it on the trailer. So much rust the a-arms are rusted and broke. The seller told it it was rough and not expect much. I was thinking of building a chrome moly tube frame type chassis for it. The car was $1000. I don't think it was astronomically high considering some others I've seen.





Mytur Binsdirti

There isn't a thousand dollars worth of anything on that carcass.

JamieZ

Dunno the grill looks decent...if it's crack free that's a grand right there

Ghoste


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Edelbroke

Quote from: JamieZ on April 20, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
Dunno the grill looks decent...if it's crack free that's a grand right there

The surround piece isn't too bad but its missing the center grill. What's the deal with the numbers stamped on the core support? Are they suppost to match the vin?

NHCharger

Quote from: Mytur Binsdirti on April 20, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
There isn't a thousand dollars worth of anything on that carcass.
:iamwithstupid: :iagree:
Yup, not even a thousand dollars in parts. Some newbie with grandiose dreams will buy that thinking he got a deal.
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GordonGriggs

 I think it would sell if it had a title.

JamieZ

Quote from: Edelbroke on April 20, 2014, 08:30:06 PM

The surround piece isn't too bad but its missing the center grill. What's the deal with the numbers stamped on the core support? Are they suppost to match the vin?

Not on a 68, they match the vehicle order number (VON) which only can be paired with the VIN if you have a broadcast sheet.

Baldwinvette77

i've seen worse  :scratchchin:, but i would be happier to pay 100$ for it with half the frame missing  :lol:

1974dodgecharger

if it had both tail lights, sure!  If the grill was complete sure!  The doors maybe, but all that rust HELL NO!!!!

myk


R6red4spd69RT

Looks like there might be some sheet metal for patching a better ride here.

fy469rtse

It's just as bad some that members on here have started with, half the work done with removing rusted parts,
Is this rare ! . Big block 4 speed car , it's worth saving

wingcar

A parts car with no parts.....................
1970 Daytona Charger SE "clone" (440/Auto)
1967 Charger (360,6-pak/Auto)
2008 Challenger SRT8 BLK (6.1/Auto) 6050 of 6400

crj1968

Strange, the paint on it looks realtively new-ish?   :shruggy:


DAY CLONA

Quote from: GordonGriggs on April 20, 2014, 08:44:21 PM
I think it would sell if it had a title.




Exactly, there's a "few" parts left to recoupe your G note back, plus a title and VIN tag would bring in another $500 worth of "parts"      




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F8-4life

These 383 4 sp cars always seem worked over.
They led a rough life probably.
Still deserves a better fate then rotting away.
1 of 259 right?
If the vin is there a title can be acquired.

wingcar

The stiff dreams are made of....that quickly turn into nightmares.....
1970 Daytona Charger SE "clone" (440/Auto)
1967 Charger (360,6-pak/Auto)
2008 Challenger SRT8 BLK (6.1/Auto) 6050 of 6400

ACUDANUT

Quote from: JamieZ on April 20, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
Dunno the grill looks decent...if it's crack free that's a grand right there

What grill ?

R6red4spd69RT

Quote from: fy469rtse on April 21, 2014, 04:20:55 AM
It's just as bad some that members on here have started with, half the work done with removing rusted parts,
Is this rare ! . Big block 4 speed car , it's worth saving

I'm not a body repair guy, so I'm really curious what kind of money would it realistically take to get this to a nicely restored (not trailer queen) state?

Would it only be feasible with no or little labor cost such as you and maybe a buddy doing much of the work?


Chad L. Magee

I would buy it if I had the time and space to work on it.  But, I already have one (383-2bbl. version) that was rolled back in the day.  Yes, this one needs some sheetmetal TLC and plenty of $ to bring it back, so it is not for anyone on a strict budget without a large stash of parts.... 

But,

How many people can have a factory big block 4-speed non-RT second-gen Charger in their stash of toys to play with?  Think about it a bit more from that perspective.  It is a rare one nonetheless....

Another question:

What was the interior and vinyl roof colors per the fender tag?  Does anyone know?....
Ph.D. Metallocene Chemist......

Daytona R/T SE

I had a 68 four speed car that was in much better shape than that. :scratchchin:

I took what I needed from it, including air chiseling out the 4-speed hump. :hack:

...And sent that rusty green hunk of shit down the road. :wave:


I'd tell the guy you'll give him a hundred bucks for everything you can strip off of it in a day...

Then leave the rest to rot where it sits.

tan top

 
Quote from: F8-4life on April 21, 2014, 09:55:07 AM
These 383 4 sp cars always seem worked over.
They led a rough life probably.
Still deserves a better fate then rotting away.
1 of 259 right?
If the vin is there a title can be acquired.

yeah remember that yellow 383 four speed 2 barrel that was for sale a few years back , had been or was still sitting in a swamp at the time of the advert !!

then there was another white one that had been gutted & caged used on some sort of dirt track  !!

this green one is a nother rare car ,  if I was 20 years younger & could get it for  next to nothing , I would  sort it out /rebuild it  :yesnod:  , although if you cant do the work your self , going to cost with labour time  :yesnod:  then parts , cant see it getting fixed properly sad to say , think its done for ,  think most who could afford to get it restored , would rather sink their money into a R/T :Twocents:
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Cooter

There will come a time when this will be a prize when all those stupid rare cars are gone...
no more R/T's, no more Hemis, no more Daytona, no more nothing but plain ol roaches....


Then, we will see who's in it ti win it. Money will not matter as the buyers Of these cars will be forced to learn the art of metal work, as well as filler work. The supply of scuff and shoot cars are fading weekly. Of course everybody wants that 'easy' resto.
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Stevearino

I think the basics are all here for a tube frame custom chassis car. Probably a good roof sub structure if  not the roof itself. I am not sure but there are more than a few components here that AMD does not reproduce like the front door jambs , the inner rear quarter panels that support the quarter windows and the windshield A post sub structure. If my plate was not full already this looks good to me for $1000.00 if you are heading towards a resto mod. For about $8,000.00 you can have all new exterior sheet metal including brand new door shells.  :Twocents: For anyone thinking of restoring it :shruggy: that's a ton of work for sure.

Edelbroke

I bought it. Now I have (2) 68 383 / 4 speed Chargers. The blue one is in far better condition with original engine and trans but still a project






Cooter

" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

73rallye440magnum

The blue one looks familiar  :2thumbs:
WTB- 68 or 69 project

Past- '73 Rallye U code, '69 Coronet 500 vert, '68 Roadrunner clone, XP29H8, XP29G8, XH29G0

Edelbroke

Quote from: 73rallye440magnum on April 21, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
The blue one looks familiar  :2thumbs:

Is this the same car I have? I bought this one in Illinois but it was in WI before that.

73rallye440magnum

Yep! Picture from 2006. Feel free to send me a message. I'd love to find out where the car ended up.
WTB- 68 or 69 project

Past- '73 Rallye U code, '69 Coronet 500 vert, '68 Roadrunner clone, XP29H8, XP29G8, XH29G0

Edelbroke

Funny (now) story on the blue 68. The pic I posted is the day I bought the car. Previous owner just put rebuilt motor back in car. Drive shaft still out. I though I could save money by not dragging a full car trailer 3hrs to Illinois to pick it up so I brought a dolly. I made it to a local tire shop 20 min before closing and had new rear tires put on the back of the car. I watched the tech torque the lug nuts on. The drivers side rear wheel made it about 2hrs 45min before it loosend up and I noticed it when I went around a corner. Couldve been a lot worse if I lost the wheel. The rear rims were widened at some point in the cars life. Maybe it wasn't as straight as it could've been...

Mytur Binsdirti


73rallye440magnum

WTB- 68 or 69 project

Past- '73 Rallye U code, '69 Coronet 500 vert, '68 Roadrunner clone, XP29H8, XP29G8, XH29G0

F8-4life

I'm glad you got it.
These xp 4 sp cars are pretty rare, it's nice to have another saved.
Already looks better with some wheels on it.

Chad L. Magee

Good to see another rare one saved. :yesnod: :2thumbs:...

Did this one have a fender tag attached to it by chance?  It would be interesting to see what options it had vs. the others known....
Ph.D. Metallocene Chemist......

Edelbroke

No fender tag on the green one.

Wheels aren't bolted to anything. Just sitting on blocks

tan top

Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

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C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
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Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

Stevearino

Got a chassis if you need one. Couple of things like the torsion bar cross member need replaced but it is in decent shape. PM me if you have any interest. It came out  from under of a 68 383 automatic car. If you are wondering I put the body on an LX platform.

ACUDANUT

So it now sits on a Fiat owned platform.  :nana:
Just kidding. When are you going to finish this project ?

Stevearino

Quote from: ACUDANUT on April 22, 2014, 05:24:12 PM
So it now sits on a Fiat owned platform.  :nana:
Just kidding. When are you going to finish this project ?
ATTT SAA GOOD ONE! :rofl:
I don't know. I'm bored. Time to push it into the corner and start something else. :smilielol: :smilielol:

Lifsgrt

I say good on ya Edelbroke for buying it.  Hopefully you'll build it into some form of a usable car instead of scrapping it.  I have a 1968 and a 1970 in rougher than rough condition, but I'd rather build them than scrap them.  I'm building the 1970 into a 1969 Daytona clone with a hemi to take to Bonneville next year.  Heck the record is only 237mph...so that shouldn't be that hard to beat! I ran 160mph on the salt last year in a friends car to get the rookie run and Class C license out of the way, so we'll see. Keep us posted.   :2thumbs:  :cheers:
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