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Started by WAKEY, March 29, 2014, 11:57:29 PM

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WAKEY

Hi everyone, new to the forum and new to owning a Dodge. Picked up a 69 Charger last week, a spur of the moment thing but you don't see many down here. Seen lots of cool cars here on the forum and lots of information but I have lots to learn. From what I have been told its a genuine R/T SE but I only have the vin (XS29L9B------), no fender tag and no build sheet, is there any way to find out what the original options were for this car and does it effect the value of the car when restored. Thanks

JB400


polywideblock

welcome to the site  :cheers:    another aussie 
there are a few places that  build sheets were hidden ,someone with more knowledge with 69 's will chime in  .
  check everywhere as no tag or build sheet will affect value  if your talking a stock resto, if your going pro street or something like that its probably the best starting point as you shouldn't affect value to much  :Twocents: 


  and 71 GA4  383 magnum  SE

Mopar Nut

"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

Rosco

Welcometo the forum!
I'll jump in first - photos! We all love photos here!

Yeah, there's a few places the build sheet could be. Under/behind the seats, wedgedin the springs. Behind the glovebox I think is another - no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong, and there's probably other places.
I think without the fender tag or build sheet you'd be pretty hard pressed to know what options it came with, unless it's fairly unmolested and even then it'd be more of an educated guess than "knowing".
"She needs premium, Dude! PREMIUM!!"

fy469rtse

Photo's , with out the fender tag , it's going be hard , by the way welcome,
I'm doing an SE as well,
? How did the seller know it was an SE ,
If car is complete, it will have a few things that will help you
Dash radio & bezel over glove box will have the wood grain overlays , if original seats, will have leather or the remains of it to just the part you sit on,
C pillars never had the chaser script on them , only smaller square SE badges, so there shouldn't be any holes wide apart for charger name plate ,
Post lots of photos so we can identify what options your car has for you, by the way I found posting photos easier if I reduce megapixels not size of photo to under 2 mb

fy469rtse

There's lots of guys on here with SE's with the knowledge to help,
Complete car ? That will make it easier, photos photos and more photos

don duick

se chargers are difficult and expensive to restore best if you just forget about it and sell it to me  :hah:  and welcome

TPR

G'day Wakey, welcome aboard.
Was that the R/T SE for sale in Lidcombe by any chance?
TPR
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440 - UU1 Light Blue Metallic
www.tr440.com

WAKEY

Not much to look at yet, but one day.

TPR

Looks good Wakey, not the one I was thinking of.
TPR
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440 - UU1 Light Blue Metallic
www.tr440.com

charger Downunder

Welcome to the site, looks like your going to have some fun. :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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WAKEY

Thanks for the replies ill try to answer some of the questions from the little I know, (been told by previous owner).
The original colour is the colour on the doors?
The fender tag turned to dust whilst being removed and the build sheet was in tiny pieces under the back seat.
The car has factory air-con ,electric windows, power steering and the engine is matching numbers ( not sure where to find the vin on the block but the numbers on the top are
E 440   2 24   HP).
That's about all I know but I like to find out more, so without the tag is there anyway to find out if its an SE or replace the fender tag. Does anyone do an equivalent to a Marti Report like they do for the mustangs. Any info will be much appreciated. Thanks

charger Downunder

An se will have chrome around the foot brake pad as well as the brake and accelerator or clutch.
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Just 6T9 CHGR

Without a fender tag & Broadcast sheet, it is nearly impossible to tell if the car was an A47 Special Edition as many of the SE options could have been added over the years.

The one way that is accurate 95% of the time are the holes in the sail panel for the SE emblem.  (Non- SE Chargers have the "Charger" script in this area) Judging by the pic you provided it looks like they might have been filled in.  From inside the car you would be able to see them behind the head liner if it is removed at the time or by looking up at the sail panel from inside the trunk.

PS welcome to the site :cheers:






Chris' '69 Charger R/T


Homerr

Welcome!

Given the state of the fender tag and broadcast sheet your best bet may be securing pictures of those items from the previous owner(s).  There might be a better chance that someone took a pic of the fender tag before it disintegrated.  Old photos of the car and teardown pics showing what was there before restoration started will help the case if the can be secured.  Still not as definite as a fender tag and broadcast sheet, but something.

For 'numbers matching' the dash VIN (secured by original 'rosette' style rivets) should match the following areas.  The number you're looking for is usually 8 digits - a letter for the assembly plant, a '9' for 1969, the 6 digit sequence number.

radiator support, usually on top but can be on the vertical panel part
trunk drip rail, drivers side, under the rubber molding
engine block, drivers side toward the rear on a machined boss just above the oil pan
transmission, drivers side on a machined boss

twodko

Welcome! You mentioned the build sheet is in tiny pieces. Have you collected every possible piece? I ask because
you might be able to lay them out like a puzzle then take a full frame picture of it and work from there.
FLY NAVY/Marine Corps or take the bus!

fy469rtse

yes what the guy's have said , have done that many times, lay out what remains of your build sheet, on laminate paper and seal it from any more deterioration ,
  :2thumbs:  very good starting point , i would have her in a heart beat,
search the threads on here for everything, its all been covered several times over by the guys on here , if you cant find it, theres no such thing as a dumb question ,
good guys , just ask

VegasCharger


tan top

 




hello & welcome !!   :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:











Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on March 30, 2014, 08:40:54 AM
Without a fender tag & Broadcast sheet, it is nearly impossible to tell if the car was an A47 Special Edition as many of the SE options could have been added over the years.

The one way that is accurate 95% of the time are the holes in the sail panel for the SE emblem.  (Non- SE Chargers have the "Charger" script in this area) Judging by the pic you provided it looks like they might have been filled in.  From inside the car you would be able to see them behind the head liner if it is removed at the time or by looking up at the sail panel from inside the trunk.

PS welcome to the site :cheers:







Quote from: Homerr on March 30, 2014, 09:02:12 AM
Welcome!

Given the state of the fender tag and broadcast sheet your best bet may be securing pictures of those items from the previous owner(s).  There might be a better chance that someone took a pic of the fender tag before it disintegrated.  Old photos of the car and teardown pics showing what was there before restoration started will help the case if the can be secured.  Still not as definite as a fender tag and broadcast sheet, but something.

For 'numbers matching' the dash VIN (secured by original 'rosette' style rivets) should match the following areas.  The number you're looking for is usually 8 digits - a letter for the assembly plant, a '9' for 1969, the 6 digit sequence number.

radiator support, usually on top but can be on the vertical panel part
trunk drip rail, drivers side, under the rubber molding
engine block, drivers side toward the rear on a machined boss just above the oil pan
transmission, drivers side on a machined boss
Quote from: fy469rtse on March 30, 2014, 03:35:55 AM
Photo's , with out the fender tag , it's going be hard , by the way welcome,
I'm doing an SE as well,
? How did the seller know it was an SE ,
If car is complete, it will have a few things that will help you
Dash radio & bezel over glove box will have the wood grain overlays , if original seats, will have leather or the remains of it to just the part you sit on,
C pillars never had the chaser script on them , only smaller square SE badges, so there shouldn't be any holes wide apart for charger name plate ,
Post lots of photos so we can identify what options your car has for you, by the way I found posting photos easier if I reduce megapixels not size of photo to under 2 mb

:yesnod:  

:popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

mightywing7

1968 Dodge Charger R/T - 440 Magnum, 727
1968 Dodge Charger - 318, 904
1985 Chrysler LeBaron Turbo Convertible, Mark Cross - 2.2L Turbo
1987 Buick Grand National - 3.8L SFI Turbo
2006 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 Coupe, Supercharged 3.2L
2006 Chrysler 300C SRT-8, 6.1L HEMI

67440chrg


dodgey68

Welcome , any info ya need on these cars is all in this forum, :cheers:
Good luck with the build
when all you own is a hammer, every job  resembles a nail.

WAKEY

Thanks everyone, Been learning a lot off the forum but still have a few questions for you all. I have removed the engine, tranny, diff and suspension from the car and put it on casters to move it around. So here are the questions,
1. It looks like the engine has no vin stamped on it, could this be the original engine like I was told?
2. Is the k frame off a 70 and if so will it be any good in the 69?(will it work with the Hotchkis suspension I have ordered?)
3.Was the vin stamped on the tranny anywhere?

Thanks for all your help.

fy469rtse

There's a few things you can do to gather enough info for new fender tag to be made ,
As you pull car apart , write down every option or acc you find ,
I can see by firewall that its an air conditioning car, that's on fender tag ,
Power steering ,
Will have code for tinted glass , goes with ac option
Don't go by colour on doors, unbolt able , that rear parcel shelf has been covered most of cars life ,
Trans is stamped with numbers on bottom edge where pan bolts up to it,
Will have vin and a part number , John kunkel will confirm by the number to what it's out of
Find the part number on k frame, skid pad could have been added

troy.70R/T

Since there is no vin on the block it was probably a factory warranty block. The engine might have been replaced under warranty. The dealership was supposed to stamp the vin on the block but looks like they did not do that.

moparnation74

    It is a stretch of luck but Galen Govier at GTS acquired many years ago copies of builds sheets from Chrysler.  He may or may not have a copy and all you have to give him is your VIN.  I know this because I had another car that was missing the build sheet only and I called them to see if they could reproduce one.  Without out those two things you have to puzzle up what you currently have to work with.
    The engine could be a warranty replacement block.  The 70 K frame on a 69 opens too many questions.  Does the VIN match the partial vins on the radiator support and the trunk lip?
    In any event looks like good bones to build a nice ride and welcome to the forum.

WAKEY

Thanks for the great info, yes the car seems to be very solid but all the parts seem to be a collection of odd parts or missing parts. If the engine has been replaced under warranty should it have a new vin or the original vin and should I have it stamped or leave it alone (don't think I can register here in Australia without one).
With the car missing so many of the original parts I was not planning to return the car to factory spec. I would like to keep the original engine, trans, diff and stock interior but I have all the US CAR TOOL stiffening kit and have the Hotchkis suspension on the way and will run 17'' wheels and 4 wheel disc brakes. I would like to hear opinions or suggestions from people who have any experience advice or tips with these products. Thanks.

troy.70R/T

Like I said the dealership that replaced it should have stamped it. Not sure if it is legal to stamp it, but also not sure if you could even find the stamps in the same font that factory used. It would have been stamped with the cars original VIN

Bob T

Gidday  Wakey, looks like your starting with good benchmark.
A mate of mine here has a SE R/T in sassy green, it also has the sway bar through K frame and a few other oddball things including a/c and 8 track.

Good effort pulling it to pieces so soon, label it all though bud - it going to be a long time before its back together by the looks. So much knowledge and info on Chargers here, you're at the right place.

Cheers
Kiwi Bob
Old Dog, Old Tricks.

VegasCharger

Quote from: moparnation74 on August 09, 2014, 09:25:48 PM
    It is a stretch of luck but Galen Govier at GTS acquired many years ago copies of builds sheets from Chrysler.  He may or may not have a copy and all you have to give him is your VIN.  I know this because I had another car that was missing the build sheet only and I called them to see if they could reproduce one.  Without out those two things you have to puzzle up what you currently have to work with.
    The engine could be a warranty replacement block.  The 70 K frame on a 69 opens too many questions.  Does the VIN match the partial vins on the radiator support and the trunk lip?
    In any event looks like good bones to build a nice ride and welcome to the forum.

Were they able to produce you a build sheet? If so how much did that set you back if you don't mind me asking.

Thanks  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

tan top

Quote from: WAKEY on August 09, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
Thanks everyone, Been learning a lot off the forum but still have a few questions for you all. I have removed the engine, tranny, diff and suspension from the car and put it on casters to move it around. So here are the questions,
1. It looks like the engine has no vin stamped on it, could this be the original engine like I was told?
2. Is the k frame off a 70 and if so will it be any good in the 69?(will it work with the Hotchkis suspension I have ordered?)
3.Was the vin stamped on the tranny anywhere?

Thanks for all your help.


full or part vin will be stamped here
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

dual fours

1970 Dodge Charger SE, 383 Magnum, dual fours, Winter's shifter and racing transmission.

26 END
J25 L31 M21 M31 N85 R22
VX1 AO1 A31 A47 C16 C55
FK5 CRXA TX9 A15
E63 D32 XP29 NOG

WAKEY

Hi , it looks like my k-frame is off a 70 can anyone tell me if it will be any good on my 69 with the full Hotchkis suspension kit. Thanks