I just found a Unicorn (68 R/T 4-speed with factory air)....

[tan top]

 

[familymopar]

Has anyone asked him if he found a build sheet during the restoration?

[bakerhillpins]

had a trunk floor , & a 70 deck lid put on at some stage      

Curious as to what you see that tells you that? 

[cdr]

had a trunk floor , & a 70 deck lid put on at some stage      

Curious as to what you see that tells you that? 

the trunk lid has the cut outs for a go wing

[A383Wing]

[Mytur Binsdirti]

And, as far as the trunk floor goes, the holes are not drilled out for the body plugs.

[TUFCAT]

This car is no virgin.  Anything could have been bestowed on it during the course of its restoration....just sayin'.  

[Dans 68]

Has anyone asked him if he found a build sheet during the restoration?

Yep. No answer yet.

Dan

Edit - the seller said no paperwork.

[tan top]

had a trunk floor , & a 70 deck lid put on at some stage      

Curious as to what you see that tells you that?  

had a trunk floor , & a 70 deck lid put on at some stage      

Curious as to what you see that tells you that?  

the trunk lid has the cut outs for a go wing

And, as far as the trunk floor goes, the holes are not drilled out for the body plugs.

yep you guys got it    

[Ghoste]

Which nicely addresses the question of why it needed a rotisserie resto.

[bakerhillpins]

Cool, thanks guys!     Always picking up on something new around here. 

[A383Wing]

got air shocks on it as well

[Homerr]

I got an answer back that he does NOT have a broadcast sheet for it.

[69CoronetRT]

FAKE tag

Why is it no one has followed up on this comment?
Anyone care to explore that a little more? 

[A34]

4-speed cars were either 3.54 or 4.10 Dana's. No 3.23's were made.

CAR: Dodge Charger R/T 2 Door Sports Hardtop
ENGINE: 440cid 4-bbl HP V8
TRANSMISSION: 4-Speed Manual Floor Shift
TIRES: F70x14 Red Side Wall, Steel Belted
BUILD DATE: April 27.
AXLE: 3.23 Rear Axle Ratio, Sure Grip
INTERIOR: Charger Trim Grade, Vinyl Bucket Seats. White on Black Interior.
PAINT: Monotone Bright Blue Metallic Paint.
OTHER: White Upper Door Frame Color. White Bumble-Bee Sport Stripe.

MOLDINGS:
25: Drip Rail Mouldings
30: Body Belt Mouldings
78: Wheel Lip Mouldings

ABC OPTIONS:
A1: 26in Radiator
H1: Power Brakes
R3: Unknown Option
S1: Air Conditioning
X1: Tinted Glass (all)
Y7: White Vinyl Top

abc OPTIONS:
a6: Console
b4: Bucket Seats
h7: Fender or Hood Mounted Turn Signal Indicators
m6: Driver's Outside Remote Operated Mirror
y9: Special Order

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=85

[familymopar]

FAKE tag

Why is it no one has followed up on this comment?
Anyone care to explore that a little more? 

I would like to follow up on this more.  I mean this inquisitively and no other way, it is obvious that there are many on here who know much more than I do and have been in the charger world considerably longer.  But my question is: since we know that mopar build stats are a little sketchy at best, as with many manufacturing numbers from this time, why is it impossible that this was a special order (as indicated) and that some fellow special ordered a 440 4 speed with air conditioning and 3.23 gears?  It seems possible that this happened, that the chrysler numbers don't reflect it, and that this guy has something that he does not know its rarity.  It is just as possible that this is a fake tag I suppose, but he isn't talking about its rarity.  He is also asking about what people ask for an R/T 440 4 speed in pretty good condition.  Maybe I am missing something or there is just something I don't know, which is also entirely possible, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.  Maybe this is what he says it is.  It would be nice if a potential buyer could bet Govier on it, but that would take way too long.

[A383Wing]

4-speed cars were either 3.54 or 4.10 Dana's. No 3.23's were made.

how do you come up with that? I know lots of cars that are 4spd with 3.23 gears as standard

[TUFCAT]

4-speed cars were either 3.54 or 4.10 Dana's. No 3.23's were made.

BOOM!!  A34 is correct and may have just found the smoking gun - (or the missing link) in this case.  

1968 4-speed equipped Charger R/T's (either 440 or Hemi) were built with a Dana rear axle, not the 8-3/4" 3.23/3.55 ratio.

Unfortunately the pictures don't show if the rear differential has a removable cover (Dana) or a smooth rear housing (Chrysler)

Could there be another "error"? on the fender tag    Tags shows "48" 3.23 sure grip.

Great catch!  

[6bblgt]

ALL '68 HEMI 4-spd & 440 4-spd B-bodies are factory equipped with a 3.54:1 DANA 60 rear axle - NO 4.10s 'til the '69 model year.

Also, there are NO B-body automatic cars with a DANA 60 'til 1969 (& they are 4.10:1 ONLY).

[69CoronetRT]

FAKE tag

Why is it no one has followed up on this comment?
Anyone care to explore that a little more? 

....why is it impossible that this was a special order (as indicated) and that some fellow special ordered a 440 4 speed with air conditioning and 3.23 gears?  ..... It is just as possible that this is a fake tag I suppose....

As Dan stated early in the thread, it is a fake tag.

Once you know that, ALL claims on the tag go out the window. Faking tags is incredibly easy and far too common. Using only the fender tag can be the least reliable form of documentation. Broadcast sheets can be faked. Window stickers can be faked. Proving an exception to the rule requires a lot of rock solid documentation.  To date, I don't know that anyone can produce any legitimate document showing a 440-four speed A/C car exists.

[C5X DAYTONA]

So what carburetor # and distributor # came on the 440HP 4-speed air cars equipped with the 3.23 rear end?     

[xs29bb1]

As most know, I am no expert on these things, but if this is BS, then the tag has to be fake.  So I started looking at the tag and compared it to other 68 tags to see if I could find any differences.  Now, I'm not sure what the tolerances were for these tags and if the guys here just check their own tags I'm sure my potential theory can easily be disproven... but if you look at the tag in question compared to several other 68 tags two things jump out.  For starters, there is some vertical space between the bottom of the capital letters and their corresponding numbers on the 3 other reference tags, but on the tag in question, there is almost no space at all.  Again, this could be within the normal tolerances of these tags - I just don't know.

Secondly, on the very top row look at the letter f.  In the 3 reference tags, the curved top of the f is very pronounced.... in fact overly so - but on the tag in question this is not the case.  It could be the photo I guess, but the f looks different.  Of course these things don't necessarily mean anything at all - but if this car is an impossibility then that means that either the tag is fake, or somehow the tag was made incorrectly.  But if it's the latter than the car would not have both a 4-spd and AC, so that leaves us w/ just the former.  

Perhaps I looked at too small a sample size of 68 tags (about 20) and that both the f and the spacing were well within tolerances of tags made at that time, but I'll leave that up to the experts to comment.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I know lots of cars that are 4spd with 3.23 gears as standard

True, but..........that applies to cars equipped with an 8 3/4. As stated by others, all 440 4-speeds came with a Dana & 3:23's were never offered.





And what's up with that upside down exhaust clamp? I wonder what it's doing there and how do you tighten the nuts?  

[cdr]

SO is it a rebody??  i know the von & vins dont follow but on a 68 with only a vin plate,the rest can all be fake, as 69coronetrt said.
my vin  424288  von 171033 , date 6/19

this car vin 362501 von 177325 date 4/27

[Mytur Binsdirti]

More likely, a R/T with 440/auto that was changed to a 4-speed with a repopped fender tag. The 8 3/4" rear end gives it away.