Granatelli ignition wires 0 ohms!!!

[brigond]

http://wichargerguy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=9&action=display&thread=18340
I started this thread in another forum. Anyone use these? I ordered them . When I get them ill check out the resistance for myself.  They were not cheap $112 to the door.  

Surprised no one has tried these. I don't buy into the horsepower and fuel economy gains ( though it seems logical). I just want to use a wire that will improve the likelihood the car starting. I tested my coil wire and got a reading of around 2,222 ohms . The wire is around 10 inches long. If these wires give you 0 resistance , it has to improve the flow of electricity. Having cleaned all my ground connections ,new flame thrower coil, battery cables , high torque mini starter, and  these wires, I should be in good shape.

[brigond]

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[myk]

Sounds like an interesting product, but you shouldn't need special wires to help ease your starting; there's something amiss...

[brigond]

No, I didn't buy them to solve a starting problem . I probably accidentally made it sound that way. I was just in the market for some wires. Over the last few months I cleaned ground contacts, new battery, battery cables, mini starter , new Pertronix coil , a higher amp alternator (a back up not yet installed) and re introduced the ballast resistor that the previous owner bypassed. Hopefully I found wires that may add to the improvements.  Are they a Gimmick?  Possibly , I believe the low resistance solid core part is real. Do they filter out EMI and RFI and give you zero resistance ?    I should be able to get an idea after I install them. I guess the am radio frequency will tell.

[Fred]

 

[Ghoste]

Is it even possible for an electrical conductor to have no resistance whatsoever?

[Pete in NH]

Ghoste, You're absolutely right- no such thing as zero ohms. The resistance of a conductor can be really low but, never zero. All conductors have some resistance, even if it's only a tiny fraction of an ohm. You may need a special ohmmeter to measure very tiny resistances but the resistance is always there.

I watched the video mentioned on the spark plug wires and I have to say to me it looks like mostly marketing hype and very little real science. A lot of kind of half truths and some things that are just plain not true. For example- it is stated that stainless steel has lower resistance than copper, that is not true at all. Also, the "magic donuts" mentioned are ferrite beads that are commonly used to suppress radio interference. That part is true, look at many of the cables on your computer and you will see ferrite beads, often encased in plastic build into the cables to keep your computer from interfearing with your radio or TV. But, the beads shown on the ignition cables  are far too small to have much effect, especially for your cars AM radio which uses much lower radio frequencies than those small beads would have much effect on. Again, look at your computer cables and you will see much larger chunks of ferrite are needed to be effective. Look at the scale on the ohm meter shown in the video and you will see the first mark is 50 ohms. The meter shown does not really have the scale resolution to show low resistances, anything low is going to look like zero. Its kind of a half truth kind of thing.

The claims about mileage and power increases- what can I say? One of the big issues with conventional carbon core wires is that they are relatively fragile. You can easily break the carbon threads in the core if you pull on them too hard. For many years I've run Monel core wires, Monel is a type of stainless steel that has resistance like the carbon core wires for radio interference suppression. They aren't so fragile and last quite a while until the insulation eventually goes from too much exposure to engine heat.

Just kind of my two cents. like so many things on our cars everyone has to make their own engineering type decisions. But, for me the science behind the claims made for these wires is  a bit weak.

[brigond]

Ghoste, You're absolutely right- no such thing as zero ohms. The resistance of a conductor can be really low but, never zero. All conductors have some resistance, even if it's only a tiny fraction of an ohm. You may need a special ohmmeter to measure very tiny resistances but the resistance is always there.

I watched the video mentioned on the spark plug wires and I have to say to me it looks like mostly marketing hype and very little real science. A lot of kind of half truths and some things that are just plain not true. For example- it is stated that stainless steel has lower resistance than copper, that is not true at all. Also, the "magic donuts" mentioned are ferrite beads that are commonly used to suppress radio interference. That part is true, look at many of the cables on your computer and you will see ferrite beads, often encased in plastic build into the cables to keep your computer from interfearing with your radio or TV. But, the beads shown on the ignition cables  are far too small to have much effect, especially for your cars AM radio which uses much lower radio frequencies than those small beads would have much effect on. Again, look at your computer cables and you will see much larger chunks of ferrite are needed to be effective. Look at the scale on the ohm meter shown in the video and you will see the first mark is 50 ohms. The meter shown does not really have the scale resolution to show low resistances, anything low is going to look like zero. Its kind of a half truth kind of thing.

The claims about mileage and power increases- what can I say? One of the big issues with conventional carbon core wires is that they are relatively fragile. You can easily break the carbon threads in the core if you pull on them too hard. For many years I've run Monel core wires, Monel is a type of stainless steel that has resistance like the carbon core wires for radio interference suppression. They aren't so fragile and last quite a while until the insulation eventually goes from too much exposure to engine heat.



Just kind of my two cents. like so many things on our cars everyone has to make their own engineering type decisions. But, for me the science behind the claims made for these wires is  a bit weak.

On the video they say ( zero ohms ) but on the box it says near zero ohm s. I pointed this out in the thread. They would have been better off just saying (near ) zero like it says on the box. Marketing wise its sounds better to say zero ohm. I agree its a half truth but when your taking about a reading so small the Meter can't pick it up , it is almost zero. My digital meter couldn't read that low and I got a zero reading. I saw another video where the persons meter reads .1 and .2 . To me thats forgivable. Even if it read 50 ohm's that's still extremely low. Whether copper or stainless conducts better I don't know . The reading is still (almost) zero.Thats a great point about the donut ring . When I spoke to them , I asked if the donut did what they says it does. Of course he insisted it does.  I will report what I find after I install them. Good or bad.

[Pete in NH]

I was really responding to Ghoste's question about zero ohms. I agree anything less than 50 to 100 ohms as far as an ignition wire is concerned is so low it might as well be zero. Zero or very low is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to suppressing radio interference. I suspect these wires may be quite noisy when it comes to the AM radios in our old cars, not that many people listen to AM any more. The resistance is very low and the ferrite beads are too small to be effective. It will be interesting to see how they work out. I'm sure the engine will run well, but the radio may not be happy.

[brigond]

Cold weather and time  have not allowed me to install the new wires and plugs. I will update when I do.

[Ghoste]

 

[brigond]

Still haven't installed the wires . Burrrr! Once installed, I will report if the suppression ring works.I figured I would bump the thread .

[will]

I use an ohm meter every day, calibrated. The leads have a 0.1 ohm resistance. There is a device called a micro-ohm meter, which will give you resistance readings which are very low. The best conductors are precious metals. All of our batteries intercell connectors are copper bus bar with silver coating. I've read micro-ohm readings on bus work that was 400 feet long, so very low resistance is possible.

[brigond]

Just bumping the thread. she still sits in the garage attached to a trickle charger . I will post results when I install them