Hotchkis TVS vs XV Motorsports Level I B-Body Suspension?

[krigel]

Hi, I'm new to the forum. I just purchased a 68 Charger 383 car, and am in the process of mapping out the build. Here's what I am going for. Stock looking under the hood, stock interior, handles and stops like a 2014 car. I am deciding between bigger wheels (18's), or staying with 15 inch magnums (8 inch up front, and 10's out back) for that stock look. My question is suspension upgrades. The TVS looks like a great overall system, but I am unsure of A) price, and B) total drop. XV is proven stuff, but doesn't have torsion bars, etc. Anyone had experience with both? Thoughts?

Thanks for your input.

KR

[Troy]

If you want to stop like a 2014 you're probably gonna need bigger wheels. Most of the "big" disc brake kits require at least 17" wheels.

I haven't technically had experience with either suspension setup - although I do own a complete TVS system for one of my Chargers (it's still a work in progress).

Troy

[myk]

Don't forget the QA-1 products as well; competition-level member MSracing89 is using their tubular K-member, control arms and other trick pieces on his '68.  Speaking of XV, what's up with all of their B-body products being sold out?  Guess that makes the choice easier.  And for the wheels and tires?  Troy's right-you're going to have to get a bigger wheel with a shorter sidewall if you're serious about getting some handling on that car.  If you're going for a vintage look get the 17" Magnum 500 wheel, a Torq-Thrust D,M or something...

[krigel]

It's got 17's on it now...I may just stick with that. I'll check into the QA1 stuff. I do want something that is matched front to back for spring rates with torsion bars and leaf springs. Was going to go with a Willwood disk set up for brakes.

[myk]

You've got the 17's?  That's great.  I like the idea of the Hotchkis TVS because they claim it's a "matched" set of pieces.  One thing I don't understand is why they don't offer lower control arms or a tubular K-member as well, or why their TVS system doesn't include torsion bars either.  Are you going to buy everything at once, or piece it together one part at a time?

[krigel]

I would get the TVS and the torsion bars from Hotchkis. I was going to put the whole suspension together at once. To keep the price down, I could always piece something together with SS springs, torsion bars from somewhere like PST, hotchkis sway bars etc., but I also like the idea of it all being matched for spring rate, and I also like the upper control arms being included. Then, I'm thinking a Unisteer rack. Outside of that, all stock.

[myk]

What shocks are you thinking?

[krigel]

Not sure yet...I like the QA1's, but I don't need that level of adjustability, and the cost is steep. I might actually order the XV ones, or go with something else. Thoughts?

[myk]

Not sure yet...I like the QA1's, but I don't need that level of adjustability, and the cost is steep. I might actually order the XV ones, or go with something else. Thoughts?

I was just going to throw Hotchkis' shocks on mine...

[krigel]

They are pricey too. Maybe some KYB's.

[Troy]

Ugh. You're gonna put on a much better performing suspension then slap on some KYBs? These suspensions are mainly designed around the shocks! Honestly, the shocks for the TVS system are relatively cheap at ~$400.

You can build a pretty nice handling ride with off the shelf parts - stiffer torsion bars and springs, frame connectors, torque boxes, steering box and k-frame stiffeners, and *good* shocks. Not much point in putting on anything else with crap shocks.

Troy

[WHITE AND RED 69]

I'm with Troy, don't add on all these new parts and then cheap out on shocks which is one of the most important parts. Go with a set of Hotchkis/Fox, Bilstein, or QA1 shocks.

If you are looking for a complete system that is meant to work together go with a company that is doing it right, Hotchkis, QA1, or Firmfeel. The XV setup looks ok but its not in stock and who knows if it will ever be. And I feel they are missing one very important piece, the upper control arms. All these parts aren't going to mean squat if you can't get a decent alignment done.  

I am running the full hotchkis TVS with the matching hotchkis shocks on my 69 and love the way it handles. In the 3 years I've had it installed I have not run into a single problem with this setup. It does drop the height of the car though, the rear springs are a 2" drop and the torsion bars will drop the front about an inch. And some will complain about the life and ride quality of heim joints but I have had no problems and the ride is not harsh at all. Its a firm ride but not back breaking. 

Along with one of these setups go with a new steering box, some chassis stiffening, and a hydroboost master cylinder to go with the brakes and you will have a sweet ride.

[krigel]

Ok....Hotchkis it is! Gonna put rack and pinion in as well and ditch the steering box

[1974dodgecharger]

Can I have some money....

[bill440rt]

I second the hydroboost coupled with the Wilwood discs. Best thing I did as well. 
I pretty much upgraded the stock suspension design, but am thinking about some Hotchkis components down the road. I already have their sway bars and concur they are top notch. I got them when they first came out. I too, also have KYB's and have been thinking to swap to something better (Billsteins or QA-1). The KYB's are really stiff.
For steering I went with a Steer-n-Gear Stage2 and couldn't be happier.

Keep in mind once you get all these suspension mods done you'll find that the stock seats are a joke when it comes to support. They do the job fine in a stock-type car but once you have something that handles you'll be gripping the steering wheel just to keep your a$$ planted in the seat. 

Sounds like you have some good plans. 
And welcome to DC.com! 

[krigel]

Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I have thought about seats. My interior is good, but I was thinking about the Legendary Rallye seats with the proper 68 pleats. They look cool.

[58pwrwgn]

   Do some research on the unisteer rack. I think it was getting bad reviews for poor turning radius.  Beside rebuilt boxes, Borgeson has a new box that is smaller lighter and 14 to 1. there is a current thread on moparts in the handling forum. Reweld and brace the steering box mounts and rebuild the steering coupler. Use modern alignment specs for radial tires.

[Kern Dog]

Then, I'm thinking a Unisteer rack. Outside of that, all stock.

S K I P the unisteer unit. There are too many drawbacks and too few improvements on this one.
They have a wider turning radius for one. They are known for actually increasing the dreaded "bump steer" as well. For similar money you could get a Borgeson steering box that is getting fantastic feedback.

[surmanajaja]

Ok....Hotchkis it is! Gonna put rack and pinion in as well and ditch the steering box

keep the steering box. all bolt on racks are crap- and there is nothing wrong with a box, many big mercedes still had a box couple years ago and even a BMW m5 had one at least until 2003. the borgeson box is a late model jeep one and will perform better than any rack u  can put there, unless you swap the whole suspension for a c5-c6 vette stuff or similar.

xv products had quality problems, go to hotchkiss to get nicely handling car. no it wont be a 2014 ferrari but come on, its an almost 50 years old car..

[myk]

Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I have thought about seats. My interior is good, but I was thinking about the Legendary Rallye seats with the proper 68 pleats. They look cool.

Try these ProCar Rally 1000 seats, for about $400 each:



Sitting in that chair I know I'm not going anywhere unless I roll the car over.  The bolsters make it somewhat difficult to get in and out of the Charger but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

Question: why doesn't Hotchkis offer a lower-control arm or a tubular K-member?  Are they not as critical as the parts they already produce? 

[58pwrwgn]

       Give Firm Feel a call to, they have been doing Mopar suspension for a long time.

      Hotrod Magazine did a tire test with a 1970 Satellite. It used Hotchkis stuff with I think a Firm Feel box.  The Tire Rack driver was impressed with how it handles. It was a faster around the track than their 3 series BMW test car. The car looks good in the utube video.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hotrod.com%2Ffeature_stories%2F1401_the_best_200_treadwear_tires_test%2F&ei=4o__Up6bMaeBygG2mIHoCg&usg=AFQjCNGcxJ2bE7gLvedGrBcMvteYzxXzQQ&bvm=bv.61535280,d.aWc

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDcQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkASM04zuHlo&ei=4o__Up6bMaeBygG2mIHoCg&usg=AFQjCNHhbPbyaiRUtTqDtypooGDaHpPgNA&bvm=bv.61535280,d.aWc

[krigel]

Ok...still deciding on rear springs...I'm leaning towards TVS but am scared the drop will be too much in the back. I want a nice rake, and would like it to still look old school, but handle better. Anyone used the full firm feel suspension set up?

[Wookie316]

Alterkation in the front. Street Lynx in the rear. RMS makes great Mopar stuff!
I don't have the Street Lynx but I wish I had. Maybe in the future.

[Wookie316]

You will need at least a 17" rim. I wanted to do what you are planning but couldn't make the 15" rim fit without a spacer which I didn't like. Had I known this I'd have went to 14" brakes instead of 11". I used Wilwood on the front and Dr. Diff in the rear. Really like his e brake setup over the Wilwood design.

[Wookie316]

Sounds like XV may be closing its doors. I cannot confirm that though.

[JB400]

I've read the same thing on a few other forums as well.  I've also read that there's been quite a few unhappy customers.  Maybe these two are going hand in hand.  Not a surprise really.  Most of their bracing kits can be made in your own garage if you have a pipe bender.

[krigel]

I've read that their quality is lacking too. I love the idea of the TVS, but really don't want to slam the car. A guy in town here said worked on a Charger with it , and he couldn't get a floor jack under the sway bar in the front, or back. I'm thinking Hotchkis sway bars, subframes, torsion bars, strut rods and steering rods with Mopar leaf springs and a firm feel stage 3 box. Thoughts?

[dangina]

I've read that their quality is lacking too. I love the idea of the TVS, but really don't want to slam the car. A guy in town here said worked on a Charger with it , and he couldn't get a floor jack under the sway bar in the front, or back. I'm thinking Hotchkis sway bars, subframes, torsion bars, strut rods and steering rods with Mopar leaf springs and a firm feel stage 3 box. Thoughts?

hotchkis is just about done with finishing thier new springs for the 71-74 bbodies

[Supercharged Riot]

You can scratch XV Motorsports as an option.
I heard they went out of business

[charger496]

   Wookie316, what kind and size tire are you running on your Bee? I have the same wheels, and love the ability to put "real" modern rubber under my car, instead of BFG's. Mine are 17x9 in the back, and have 275/40/17's. I run through tires quick, what with the donuts and burnouts and such, so I'll be replacing them soon. A taller sidewall would lower highway rpm's, but I don't want it to feel squirmy in the rear.

[myk]

Sounds like XV may be closing its doors. I cannot confirm that though.

It would explain why their inventory hasn't been stocked in a LONG time.  Never fear though, there're still plenty of suspension vendors that are just as capable and ready to upgrade our cars.  If any of you doubt vendors like Hotchkis have no fear; I just installed their rear sway bar ONLY and I can already feel the difference...

[Wookie316]

   Wookie316, what kind and size tire are you running on your Bee? I have the same wheels, and love the ability to put "real" modern rubber under my car, instead of BFG's. Mine are 17x9 in the back, and have 275/40/17's. I run through tires quick, what with the donuts and burnouts and such, so I'll be replacing them soon. A taller sidewall would lower highway rpm's, but I don't want it to feel squirmy in the rear.

295/45R17 MT ET Drag Radial rear.
255/50R17 Nitto 555 front
17x9 rear
17x8 front

[krigel]

Last post before I pull the trigger....have done more research, and am wondering if the Hotchkis rear springs are too low....The TVS looks like an awesome overall package, and I can get it at wholesale, which is always great, but I am wondering if I shouldn't skip the rear springs and get a set from Firm Feel when I order the steering box. If they are too high, I can run a lowering block. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

KR

[myk]

Check out White and Red 69's car; he has the full TVS system including the springs; I like the way his car sits.  However, I'm sorta thinking the same thing you are; I like the way my car sits now, and I'm also concerned the Hotchkis pieces will drop the rear too much for my liking.  Another concern I have is that the Hotchkis TVS is calibrated to work with their rear springs; if I buy a different brand or leave my stock springs will that "throw off" the suspension setup that is 99% Hotchkis?  If that's the case I'll go with the Hotchkis springs; function over form...

[krigel]

That's exactly where I am with my thinking too. Are your springs stock height?

[myk]

Stock springs, but they're sagged from age.  Funny thing is they're exactly where I like them...

[1974dodgecharger]

Check out White and Red 69's car; he has the full TVS system including the springs; I like the way his car sits.  However, I'm sorta thinking the same thing you are; I like the way my car sits now, and I'm also concerned the Hotchkis pieces will drop the rear too much for my liking.  Another concern I have is that the Hotchkis TVS is calibrated to work with their rear springs; if I buy a different brand or leave my stock springs will that "throw off" the suspension setup that is 99% Hotchkis?  If that's the case I'll go with the Hotchkis springs; function over form...

yup myk be careful with the hotckis setup you will drop and if yoru stuff is too low you will scrape things.  The overall diameter of my wheel setup is what is saving me from scraping everything on the ground....

[myk]

I already scrape everything in my '97 Z28 and '99 F-bird, so I'm used to doing the "speed bump crawl."  Do you have the Hotchkis springs?  Have you had a chance to test out your new UCA's?

[Calif240]

Ive got Hotchkis all around and love it. I purchased the parts one piece at a time as I had a rebuild of different parts. I would've bought the TVS to save a few $$, but didn't plan on originally doing Hotchkis all the way around. Love Hotchkis quality and love the handling, could definitely tell a difference as I added each component. If you want to go cheap, I would start with Torsion bars, front and rear sway, and rear leaf. For the money, that gives you a heck of an improvement over stock. I also went ahead and got a Stage III steering box from firm feel which helped a lot.

Terry

[krigel]

Thanks for all the input...I ordered the Hotchkis TVS, Torsion Bars, and shocks, as well as a  Firm Feel Stage III box yesterday. 2 week delivery time...can't wait to start bolting this stuff on!

[chargedup68]

Reilly Motorsports has a great kit and installation is pretty easy, give them a look. 

[myk]

Thanks for all the input...I ordered the Hotchkis TVS, Torsion Bars, and shocks, as well as a  Firm Feel Stage III box yesterday. 2 week delivery time...can't wait to start bolting this stuff on!

Damn this guy just dropped a few grand like it was hot!

[krigel]

It's only money dude..you'll make more tomorrow.

[myk]

It's only money dude..you'll make more tomorrow.

Hey I'm just jealous-I'm havng to piece my TVS together.   

[krigel]

I'm the kind of person that has to do it all at once, or I get frustrated. I'm pumped to take it for one last ride before I rip it apart and feel the difference.

KR

[myk]

I'm the kind of person that has to do it all at once, or I get frustrated. I'm pumped to take it for one last ride before I rip it apart and feel the difference.

KR

I'm the same way, and now I'm stuck with a "half baked" suspension, but I just paid off my credit cards so I'm going to have to wait, although painfully, lol.  I agree with you on the last ride though; I only wish I could've taken the car to a track before I installed the shocks and sway bars and then for every future 'mod and get some real-life numbers, just like they do in the magazines...

[familymopar]

Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I have thought about seats. My interior is good, but I was thinking about the Legendary Rallye seats with the proper 68 pleats. They look cool.

Try these ProCar Rally 1000 seats, for about $400 each:



Sitting in that chair I know I'm not going anywhere unless I roll the car over.  The bolsters make it somewhat difficult to get in and out of the Charger but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

Question: why doesn't Hotchkis offer a lower-control arm or a tubular K-member?  Are they not as critical as the parts they already produce? 

myk, I really like those seats and the price is right!  Was it an easy install?  Did you use the original seat track or did they come with some?  Did you use the same mounting holes?  Any drilling, etc. required?  Thanks!

[myk]

I've heard of people using the original seat tracks, or coming up with their own thing, but I tried to take the easy way out and use Procar's own bracketry to simplify things.  Procar would have you believe their seats and tracks drop right in, ultimately, I had to drill in a few holes to install the new seat tracks. 

I love the seats and they are HIGHLY functional.  Even with a lousy lapbelt-only setup, the seats do a great job of keeping me in place.  During longer trips the seats are comfortable enough so I don't feel abused by the seat at the next stop.  I will warn potential buyers that there is no up or down adjustment on the seats.  Also, the Procar brackets/tracks are not concealed very well, meaning that anyone in the backseat can see the equipment; there's even a slight loss of footspace from the backseat point of view.  Finally, those high bolsters do very well in keeping the driver planted, however they make getting in and out of the car slightly laborious as now you have to "lift" yourself over the bolsters all of the time.  Again, I love the seats, despite their apparent drawbacks.  Personally, I didn't see many alternatives when looking for a great looking seat that was ALSO functional.  If you're used to the OEM "bucket" seats and spirited driving, once you install these seats there is no going back...

[familymopar]

I've heard of people using the original seat tracks, or coming up with their own thing, but I tried to take the easy way out and use Procar's own bracketry to simplify things.  Procar would have you believe their seats and tracks drop right in, ultimately, I had to drill in a few holes to install the new seat tracks. 

I love the seats and they are HIGHLY functional.  Even with a lousy lapbelt-only setup, the seats do a great job of keeping me in place.  During longer trips the seats are comfortable enough so I don't feel abused by the seat at the next stop.  I will warn potential buyers that there is no up or down adjustment on the seats.  Also, the Procar brackets/tracks are not concealed very well, meaning that anyone in the backseat can see the equipment; there's even a slight loss of footspace from the backseat point of view.  Finally, those high bolsters do very well in keeping the driver planted, however they make getting in and out of the car slightly laborious as now you have to "lift" yourself over the bolsters all of the time.  Again, I love the seats, despite their apparent drawbacks.  Personally, I didn't see many alternatives when looking for a great looking seat that was ALSO functional.  If you're used to the OEM "bucket" seats and spirited driving, once you install these seats there is no going back...

Thanks for the info!  It seems like a small price to pay for such sharp and supportive seats, and a great price.  When you said they do not go up and down, do you mean in ride height or front to back?

[myk]

Yes, no up and down; they go forward and back just fine.  Also, the seats tilt forward to help gain access to the rear...

[1974dodgecharger]

I already scrape everything in my '97 Z28 and '99 F-bird, so I'm used to doing the "speed bump crawl."  Do you have the Hotchkis springs?  Have you had a chance to test out your new UCA's?

yeah the UCA are the BEST it was scary with all the bump steer on the higway and the hotchkis eliminited of the 90% of play it feels great and tracks great.  I got the alignment done based on what they recommened for street and its awesome.  I have a low oil pan a 7 qter and my headers (hooker competition) hang just as low as my oil pan so I need to be careful or I can take out the oil pan and collector region of my car how low it sits.  If I was to decrease the diamter of my wheel setup to stock she would be a low rider and hit all the rocks in general....

[myk]

Wow, cool.  I can't wait to get the Hotchkis UCA's; if I didn't have to re-align the car after putting in the Hotchkis strut rods, steering rods, t-bars and the UCA's I'd get the UCA's done NOW.  As it is, I'm doing everything as a package so I only have to align the car once...

[krigel]

Update....After waiting 10 weeks to get the Hotchkis TVS delivered, rear springs are in, subframes are welded in, lower arms are being re-bushed and the install starts on Monday. Should be back on the road by Thursday....cannot wait. I have to say I am extremely impressed with the quality of the pieces from Hotchkis. Great stuff for the money.

[bill440rt]

I'm curious to see how the ride height turns out with the Hotchkis torsion bars. Says on their 'site they are designed for cars that sit lower than stock.  
Also, if you don't mind me asking what supplier did you purchase them from where you were able to get them at wholesale?

[myk]

Ditto on the wholesale question.  Also, I'm wondering about the leaf springs; low is nice but I'm under the impression they drop the car too much...

[bill440rt]

I'm seriously contemplating swapping out the following:
KYB shocks --> Hotchkis shocks
Stock 383 torsion bars --> Hotchkis torsion bars
Stock upper control arms w/poly bushings --> Hotchkis upper arms

Hotchkis now only offers a 1.1" torsion bar, hexes are indexed so the ride is lower than stock. Speaking with someone at Hotchkis, I was told that a very close to stock ride height can be retained since the bars are beefier less tension on the adjusting bolt is necessary to bring the front end back up. The tech guy said most improvements using their components is up front. I should be very OK out back with the new MP leafs that are in the car, the Hotchkis sway bar, & upgrading to their shocks. Up front I already have beefier aluminum strut rods & tie rod sleeves with the bigger C-body rod ends so I should be good to go there. Steering box is upgraded to a Steer-n-Gear Stage 2. Lower control arms have poly bushings but never used the stiffening plates, not sure how much of an improvement that is though.

I'm still very curious how your torsion bars work out, krigel.  

[myk]

I just ditched my KYB shocks for the hotchkis ones and I dare say they're better; firm response without the harshness of the KYB's.

[1974dodgecharger]

They do drop the car a bit, but I have a low oil pan and I go slow over speed humps or I do scrape.

[bill440rt]

74, thanks for the pic.
I found some others of your car on here, your front end ride height really isn't all that much different than the way I have mine set up now. Did you have to turn in the adjusters quite a bit?

[1974dodgecharger]

bill,
I start at halfway and I cranked them maybe 3 or 4 more times after that drove around for a hundred miles and redid the measurements and I was happy where they are.  I then went to alignment shop and got my alignment in spec based on what hotchkis recommended the guy was telling me how simple my alignment was because the car had upgraded suspension and it was easy to work on to get to what I wanted.

[bill440rt]

Thanks! 

[krigel]

Ok, all installed...here's the list:

18x8 and 18x9.5 Boss 338 Rims with Nitto NT555 255/50/18's and 285/45/18's
Hotchkis TVS (Subframes, upper control arms, strut rods, leaf springs, steering rods, front and rear sway bars).
Firm Feel Stage III box
Hotchkis Fast ratio Idler and pitman
Hotchkis Torsion Bars
Hotchkis Shocks
Re-bushed lower control arms
Front Disc Brake Conversion

Feels so good now compared to the wandering fool it was before... It's a little low in the front and rubs a bit, so I'm taking it back to the alignment shop to get it set up again.

[krigel]

That was before...this is after..

[myk]

Freaking awesome!  Hopefully you'll get a chance to really throw that thing into some curves and see how it responds.  Also, your parts list is exactly what I'm buying and hopefully installing in November so I want to hear your feedback!

BTW do you know if you can run headers with the Hotchkis fast ratio idler and pitman?
Car looks great too!

[krigel]

It handles so different...a little play in the wheel still, but it's a 68 for gods sake...The pitman is close to the exhaust. It's as low as it can go without hitting. There are only a couple header manufacturers that will clear the pitman. They are listed on the Hotchkis site. The heim joints do make noise, but man is it a lot tighter. I've been driving it as a daily for the past week, and it is awesome. Haven't really beat on it...I have a modest cam in a 383 so the power isn't huge, but it's a blast to drive.

[1974dodgecharger]

you can tighten up that play in steering by adjusting the bolt on (im losing my mind don't know whats it called) where the steering column goes into in the engine bay you tighten that nut up its an adjustment that's what I did to get rid of the slop.  Don't tighten it too tight or the gears will wear out fast.

Car looks great 

Did you do the recommendations on torsion bar setup for proper height? Halfway in and rive it around for a while to settle in and then you should be perfect within 3 to 5 turns from there.

[krigel]

It has just settled in, so I'm taking it back for adjustment tomorrow. Put about 50 miles on it this week....it does settle quite a bit.

[bill440rt]

Very cool!
Do you still have a ways to go with the adjustment bolts for the torsion bars? You can get more turns out of them still?

[krigel]

Absolutely. We had it at least 1.5 inches higher before the alignment. Some people have complained about that, but there is lots of room to raise it up. it's on the bottom half of adjustment right now for sure.

[bill440rt]

 

[krigel]

Gonna take the rake out of it, and level it off...not the look I love, but will make it really drivable.

[WHITE AND RED 69]

Looking real good   

[krigel]

Thank you! I'm thrilled with how it drives. I've had stock e-bodies etc. that weren't nearly as fun to drive. I also have sport truck I've spent way too much money on that is not as fun as the Charger. I love it as it is. Not going to mess with the patina after the suspension.....

[myk]

Thank you! I'm thrilled with how it drives. I've had stock e-bodies etc. that weren't nearly as fun to drive. I also have sport truck I've spent way too much money on that is not as fun as the Charger. I love it as it is. Not going to mess with the patina after the suspension.....

Let's see that sport truck!

[krigel]

The truck fresh out of the paint shop last summer

[XV_Racing]

I just wanted to introduce myself here.
I'm Chris Reinhardt owner XV Racing Products, former employee of XVM

I have XV valved mono tube non adjustable front shocks in stock for B and E body's.  There is no comparison to these shocks and ANYTHING you can buy off the shelf.  These were designed on a 4 post rig, and race track and street tested.

They are designed to work with our torsion bars/sway bars and leaf's, but they will work with most any combination.

I don't have up on the website, but I can also put a full kit together if somebody is looking for one, and also many different shock combinations, mono, twin tube, single adjust, twin adjust, etc...

In short, XV products are alive and well!!!!

Thanks..
Chris Reinhardt
XV Racing Products
www.xvengineering.com

[JB400]

Thanks for letting us know   Will look into them when the time comes

[myk]

I wish I had known this was going to happen before I bought all of the Hotchkis stuff...