You can not talke to your friends...

[1974dodgecharger]

About power 

My buddy saw my video on facebook and told him what I got (300HP, 383ft-lbs) and he private messages and tells me, "Not to be a DICK, but I would be embarrased with those numbers posting them for people to see publicly'  I was like, "Its not bad I thought it was good thats to the wheels remember that thats not some made up number.'  He responds, 'My 09 mustang produces 350hp with 400ft lbs of torque I added a cold air intake and exhaust so it gives more than stock.'  Then I respond, 'you sure about what you have and thats to the wheels and did you dyno it?"

His last response was, 'NO I did not dyno it, but I did read Road and Track testing on it and they said the V8 mustang gives 300HP and with me adding the CAI and exhaust that bumps it up 50hps because the box said for my CAI up to 30hp and exhaust 20hp'

After this I giggled he responded back with reading about road and track about his cars HP which is not even to the wheels and then adds in the, "i read what I added and totaled up the HP from there'

WOW, didnt know people still acted this way....


He said one more thing to me, "can you even burn out in that car since your such low HP/TQ and its so big.....

[Cooter]

First off, I've found FB is checked full of automotive idiots. Very few even know anything bout cars, making power, or what the REAL term of 'Street Car' means.
they usually have the "majority" thinking the idiotic way they do, so you are fighting an uphill battle.
last one I got into was with Murder Nova and how his minion followers kept saying they were street cars.
Some people will act like Sheeple and blindly follow while others will refuse, and attempt to 'show the light'
Your buddy there is a blind follower of the car stupid. He has chosen the be a low info. Idiot.
you can try, but 've prepared to have them think of you there, the way many think of me here. It's not very popular when you prove you  know more than the idiots your arguing with. Some will even support the wrong, just so you won't have the satisfaction of them knowing your right.

[Baldwinvette77]

Just do what i do, tell people you got 240hp or so, even if you have like 500, 

[1974dodgecharger]

He got to me under my skin for like 20mins of this and I couldnt understand how a grown man could think like this  but he was blatanly serious about it.  At first I wanted to educate him about power to wheels vs engine power, but he was not having it then I just gave up and said forget it. 

First off, I've found FB is checked full of automotive idiots. Very few even know anything bout cars, making power, or what the REAL term of 'Street Car' means.
they usually have the "majority" thinking the idiotic way they do, so you are fighting an uphill battle.
last one I got into was with Murder Nova and how his minion followers kept saying they were street cars.
Some people will act like Sheeple and blindly follow while others will refuse, and attempt to 'show the light'
Your buddy there is a blind follower of the car stupid. He has chosen the be a low info. Idiot.
you can try, but 've prepared to have them think of you there, the way many think of me here. It's not very popular when you prove you  know more than the idiots your arguing with. Some will even support the wrong, just so you won't have the satisfaction of them knowing your right.

[Ghoste]

You can ignore it, because Cooter is 100% right, or you can lie and put 785 on your fb page.
If you do want to make the attempt to educate your friend.  Dare him publicly to take his car to the dyno and make a bet out of it.  For every hp over 350 at the rear wheels you'll give him 2 bucks and for every increment below his prediction he has to give you 1.

[6spd68]

You can ignore it, because Cooter is 100% right, or you can lie and put 785 on your fb page.
If you do want to make the attempt to educate your friend.  Dare him publicly to take his car to the dyno and make a bet out of it.  For every hp over 350 at the rear wheels you'll give him 2 bucks and for every increment below his prediction he has to give you 1.

That, or tell him to man up and meet you at the track...

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Or simply tell him to grow up!

[tan top]

Cooters right   
I gave up years ago trying to argue with idiots !

never argue with a idiot , because it makes you look the bigger one trying to explain the error they are making 

[Ghoste]

Thats why I say don't argue, challenge him to the bet.  If he doesn't accept, the only response is a smug smile and a "whatever".

[myk]

This is why I don't have Facebook, this is why I don't have friends; with people like friends, who needs enemies?  I don't recommend such a drastic move in your life, but clearly this boy and his little pony car has to go...

[dyslexic teddybear]

Gotta agree with Cooter.....

All arguing with an idiot will do is give you a headache.

It's certainly not new......a couple from "back in the day"

"He's got a 327 Camaro bored out to 500 HP."

From the owner of a 67 GTO......with a dual gate shifter....."It's got a 6 speed"

Lost count of the number of people who talked about a "3/4" cam......not even understanding what any cam was and or it's function.

Never thought about it.....but I suppose that a more modern version of the above is "noss"

[Ghoste]

Noss. 

[dyslexic teddybear]

Noss.  

Never before.....has so many....knew so little.


My son-in-law is into tuners......[sigh]....seriously, it's painful to talk to him.

Though there's some hope.....lately he's been asking a few questions that shows he's starting to understand how nitrous actually works......

[myk]

Gotta agree with Cooter.....

All arguing with an idiot will do is give you a headache.

It's certainly not new......a couple from "back in the day"

"He's got a 327 Camaro bored out to 500 HP."

From the owner of a 67 GTO......with a dual gate shifter....."It's got a 6 speed"

Lost count of the number of people who talked about a "3/4" cam......not even understanding what any cam was and or it's function.

Never thought about it.....but I suppose that a more modern version of the above is "noss"

Guy comes up the other day and goes "hey, you gotta long block or a short block in there?"  I told him he meant to ask big block or small block but he insisted that I either had a long block or a short block.  Well, I just told him I had a complete block; no point arguing or debating with the clueless...

[1974dodgecharger]

Well he is my childhood friend. He texted me saying it seems very weak to your being that size. I repied , you dont know cars that well do u.  He got pissed and was like, wtf are u talking about 300hps is weak in comparsion, again, to my mustang. 

I just said very few cars are driving around with 300hp with 385ft lbs of torque to the wheels, ofcourse he came back again and said his 09 mustang......lol

[twodko]

FB, Twitter, "social" media in general is such a huge waste of time.

[myk]

Well he is my childhood friend. He texted me saying it seems very weak to your being that size. I repied , you dont know cars that well do u.  He got pissed and was like, wtf are u talking about 300hps is weak in comparsion, again, to my mustang. 

I just said very few cars are driving around with 300hp with 385ft lbs of torque to the wheels, ofcourse he came back again and said his 09 mustang......lol

Psh.  It took Ford decades after the 60's to put 300 hp back in the Mustang GT; GM had 300hp Camaro's and F-birds since '98 (10 years before your friend's car) that would run door to door with your friend, and the '93-'97's would be right behind your friend's bumper;  pre-5.0 Mustang GT people have NOTHING to brag about...

[RECHRGD]

I know for a fact that my 440 makes over 700hp.  I added up my base hp plus what my heads, cam, rpm intake, carb body, headers, ignition, high flow air cleaner and free flowing mufflers added.  When the idiot Dyno guy said I had only 340 or so at wheels, I had no choice but to shoot him....

[1974dodgecharger]

I know for a fact that my 440 makes over 700hp.  I added up my base hp plus what my heads, cam, rpm intake, carb body, headers, ignition, high flow air cleaner and free flowing mufflers added.  When the idiot Dyno guy said I had only 340 or so at wheels, I had no choice but to shoot him....

Ok that shit made me laugh........

[will]

Get me a JC Whitney catalog, I'll be making 1000 HP and getting 100 MPG by the time I get throgh with that catalog. Best kept speed secrets are on page 11!

[DAY CLONA]

I know for a fact that my 440 makes over 700hp.  I added up my base hp plus what my heads, cam, rpm intake, carb body, headers, ignition, high flow air cleaner and free flowing mufflers added.  When the idiot Dyno guy said I had only 340 or so at wheels, I had no choice but to shoot him....

......

[John L]

Cooters right   
I gave up years ago trying to argue with idiots !

never argue with a idiot , because it makes you look the bigger one trying to explain the error they are making 

I would have to agree with Tan Top and Cooter, but here is a better reason not to argue with an idiot:

Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

[XH29N0G]

My son-in-law is into tuners......[sigh]....seriously, it's painful to talk to him.
Though there's some hope.....lately he's been asking a few questions that shows he's starting to understand how nitrous actually works......

Do you mean questions about the nitrous button that we can hit with our left foot?  Mine doesn't seem to work.

[Mopar4me]

Put a pair of fart cannons on and you should be up to 500HP. They're worth a 100 a piece aren't they? 

[69rtse4spd]

Get me a JC Whitney catalog, I'll be making 1000 HP and getting 100 MPG by the time I get throgh with that catalog. Best kept speed secrets are on page 11!

Damn, I thought you & I were the only ones that knew about page 11. Cats out of the bag now.

[Cooter]

FOR EXAMPLE:
The X boss. He had bought a clean 1988 Mercury Cougar (fox chassis). 5.0 AOD.
New guy Brian starts working there and has a uber clean 3rd gen Z/28. He's proud of it and after work decides he'll show it to us.
I look it over thinking typical SBC [355] auto. Nothing too special, but WTF? He loves it so who am I to bust his Stones right?

Boss begins to 'modify' this Cougar. ( has TWO fox body Mustang, yet wants to be different and drag race this car...ok whatever)
first thing he does is take a NICE street car that the A/C still works on, and dump a worn out nitrous 302 motor in it.
ok...whatever.
then, begins to cut out the entire front core support in favor of rigging in an import radiator as he claims IT'S lighter?
Ok...
when he finally finishes ruining this nice ride, it has half a dash, one seat, no door panels, no carpet, no bumper behind the fascia, and holes drilled in the front struts.

Well, he comes in one morning talking bout going to the track and claims he ran a 8.42 @84 mph.
ok, I'll buy that.
over the next year, all Brian and I heard about was how quick 'The Cougar' was getting.
the final B.S. story was an 8.20...

I caught Brian work in on a dash job and just asked him what his car ran. "8.27 @92 mph, with the A/C on"...
He coulda shut the boss down anytime, but didn't.  I asked why not?
He stated "No matter what I say, he's always gonna have something to say better"...

Once Brian and I surprised him by showing up at the track. The fastest we ever saw tg e car go was an 8.39 @ 89 mph.
no wheels up launches like he claimed...
now, the boss knew better when it came to my Dart, so I kinda began to help Brian a little. This is why you'll see "F&P Performance" on FB as a joke every now and then.
boss told people after Brian quit, that "all he had was a dumptruck cam in a Camaro"...
Brian has been upgrading ever since. HIGHLY PORTED Vortec heads, preform carb, 1.6 roller rockers, stall, aftermarket axles, etc.
we have been testing and tuning,  having a ball I might add. We finally got a FULL STREET CAR running 7.45 @ 99 mph.
on the motor.

There will be a callout come spring time. $500.00 on his hood and a grudge match right in front of all the bosses buddies.
we intend to blow his ass right I off the track.
sometimes, people have to learn the best lessons the hard way.

[1974dodgecharger]

cooter brining the life lessons to the table, as always!!!!

The discssion ended when I asked him, 'so you gonna take your mustank to the track or dyno to compete against me?" responds back, 'well no I dont have it anymore I sold it'

Im like 'what'...well then what are you driving right now?

his response, "FORD FIESTA'

(total silence on my part)

[Mike DC]

[RoscoePColtrain]

Reminds me of a scene from "The Hangover" :
Stu Price: You are literally too stupid to insult.

I'd have to agree with telling him you have 190bhp and let it be.

[Ghoste]

Besides which, I'm pretty sure its a man rule that you can't use a car as an example that you no longer own.

[cavemanno1]

As someone like me who knows a very little about engines 300 sounds a bit less what i would have thought!But than people talk about their hp at the engines and not at the wheels.

So do you know what she does at the engine?Would be intersting,for me,to know how many ponies she is "loosing".

When the factory stated their hp was it at the engine or at the wheels?My guess would be at the engine


PS:Neverless John,i would love to own her even if she is a bit weak  :nana:k

Don't argue with people,you can't make them understand what you say you just hurt them when they realise you were right!

[Ghoste]

Up until 72, that factory rated it at the engine without accessories like fans and so forth and stated it in gross horsepower.  About the maximum way to do it really.

[tan top]

Cooters right    
I gave up years ago trying to argue with idiots !

never argue with a idiot , because it makes you look the bigger one trying to explain the error they are making  

I would have to agree with Tan Top and Cooter, but here is a better reason not to argue with an idiot:

Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

yeah your on to something there  !! that is soo true   I know when Im beat with these guys  believe me  

going a bit off track now , although sort of the same age group now ! I use to have all the time in the world  to show / explain / help /  teach ,  anyone  with , mechanical  / body & paint etc  ,  in or out of work  , with the new  younger guys  or trainees , & their buddies etc that started   ,  etc  20 years ago they were all eager to learn & listen , would respect what you know & soak up the information ,  now through social media  , they are all experts from reading  another guys bullshit they have put on line  , quoting words & info they have seen of fast & furious , FFS  & cause the internet has been around as long they can remember & their world revolves around it  , it must be all true  ,
  ive been stuck for words  entering in to a conversation  about car stuff quite recently with these guys  ,  its so ridicules  the shit they come out with , its so  well words cant describe     they are all right though cause they saw it on fast & furious & read it on face book or internet somewhere  

[1974dodgecharger]

I need a rebuilt carb or plan to go 850.  Its a 383 which is a strong one a 440 mod went up there did 340hp but with 450ft lbs.

I stopped at 5500 rpms..did not want to go higher even though I been told 6500 is max.

Dont want to blow engine lol......

As someone like me who knows a very little about engines 300 sounds a bit less what i would have thought!But than people talk about their hp at the engines and not at the wheels.

So do you know what she does at the engine?Would be intersting,for me,to know how many ponies she is "loosing".

When the factory stated their hp was it at the engine or at the wheels?My guess would be at the engine


PS:Neverless John,i would love to own her even if she is a bit weak  :nana:k

Don't argue with people,you can't make them understand what you say you just hurt them when they realise you were right!

[Cooter]

I feel the real problem is the "majority" tends to come into a thread on FB and repeat what others who 'sound' correct say.
I feel this is why many don't mess with FB, and was what I was trying to get across to Ghosts in the other thread.

The real power in a debate doesn't come from being 'right' it comes from putting out misinformation and getting enough people to believe/support it.

[Ghoste]

Oh man you're wasting time trying to get things across to me.  I'm lucky I can recite my own address most days.

[1974dodgecharger]

Or they just to believe what they want to believe...such as average muscle hp is 600.

The conversation ended when ye told me he drove a ford fiestiva telling me 300hp to wheels is weak...when has 100hp to the wheels lol

I feel the real problem is the "majority" tends to come into a thread on FB and repeat what others who 'sound' correct say.
I feel this is why many don't mess with FB, and was what I was trying to get across to Ghosts in the other thread.

The real power in a debate doesn't come from being 'right' it comes from putting out misinformation and getting enough people to believe/support it.

[Paul G]

When you argue with an idiot, what do other people see? 










Two idiots arguing.







I was told that long ago and it does make sense. Better to let the ignorant stay ignorant. I friend here in town bought a brand new Ford... Focus I think. Says it makes some big power number that I dont remember. He added a cold air kit and a tune and claimed an even more ridiculous power number. All I said was..... I want a ride in it.

This same guy had a 2007 Corvette. Much faster car than my 72 Charger of course. One night on the way home from cruise night we get next to each other at a light. We leave the light, I launched the 300 HP charger and leave him standing, he was just burning the tires on the Vette. He passed me of course, but was very upset about being left at the light by a low power old muscle car wanna be. I like to just smile about it. No need to say anything.   

[Cooter]

When you argue with an idiot, what do other people see? 










Two idiots arguing.







I was told that long ago and it does make sense. Better to let the ignorant stay ignorant.

Yeah, it never works, or the entire world would be ignorant without someone calling these idiots out.
the state this country's in now is proof idiots can cause damage if there's no consequences to being ignorant.
no checks and balances leaves everything worse off.

[tan top]

 I know these have been seen before !! but they just crack me up     


                     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdHFkHKffRo

[FlatbackFanatic]

Arguing with an idiot is like clapping with one hand......

[Silver R/T]

Internet, where everyone else knows more about your car than you do.

[Ghoste]

It was the same before the internet, it was just a smaller group of idiots.