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First burn out today...

Started by 1974dodgecharger, January 14, 2014, 09:20:12 PM

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1974dodgecharger

I did my first burn out today in the 68!!!!  It was pretty insane and I did not mean to do it for some reason it happened.

I came upon on a on ramp light and when she hit green I released the clutch and press the gas mind you that you need to get up to speed to get on the highway here in AZ it was a short on ramp or you will never get on or have alot of issues.  I press the gas pedal roughly haflway and I noticed I was not moving and look over to the guy to my left and saw and old man looking at him and he is passing me in his 90s chevy caprice looking vehicle.  Then I smelled slight smoke and figured out why I was not really moving during those 2 secs upon looking in my rear view smoke was all over the place with the smell of rubber and IM still in first gear and she hits 5500 rpm and switch to 2nd and she is still burning she drops to 4k rpms now, but then I shift to 3rd and she calms down a bit and 4th finally and she is queit. 

I never meant for this to happen either and never thought I had that much power to do such things on the car since I usually granny driver her alot.  The smoke was all over th place at the on ramp light so it was pretty intense.

one thing I noticed was that both tires created smoke does this mean I have a sure grip?  I looked at my fender tag and it was regular 8 3/4 axle setup nothing special to it and I know my buddy did not change it to sure grip because he gave me a sure grip axle to put in if I wanted to, but did not.


man I did not think that a sub 300 HP power vehicle could that with 4000lbs....

Ghoste


Baldwinvette77

Im confused... so youre saying you own a 68 charger.... and you don't Normally do burnouts  :ahum:
huh... more power to you i guess, as for me when i get my charger running, my boss won't have to worry about that mountain of used tires we have out back  :rofl:

1974dodgecharger

Quote from: Ghoste on January 14, 2014, 09:23:11 PM
Awesome!  Congratulations!  :2thumbs:

lets say my nerves were slightly shaken just a tad so I had to stop and get some food to relax and I over bought some food by accident 3 roast beef sandwichs, large curly fries, 5 onion rings, and 5 mozzerella sticks at Arbys and I got in my car and realized I had way too much food  ;D

XH29N0G

 :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

I think 'didn't mean to' stops counting after the first to second to third shift.  :scratchchin:

Did you eat all that food?

Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

1974dodgecharger

Quote from: Baldwinvette77 on January 14, 2014, 09:36:10 PM
Im confused... so youre saying you own a 68 charger.... and you don't Normally do burnouts  :ahum:
huh... more power to you i guess, as for me when i get my charger running, my boss won't have to worry about that mountain of used tires we have out back  :rofl:

yeah really believe it or not I dont do burn outs on my car I do hard accelerations though, but never done a burn out.  


1974dodgecharger

Quote from: XH29N0G on January 14, 2014, 09:36:42 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

I think 'didn't mean to' stops counting after the first to second to third shift.  :scratchchin:

Did you eat all that food?



well I told myself its too late now...she is in a burning out state so I kept going.

XH29N0G

Your post suddenly made a tough day for me into one where I laughed.  Thanks.  This is one of the many things that are great about these cars.
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

Baldwinvette77

Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 14, 2014, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: XH29N0G on January 14, 2014, 09:36:42 PM
:smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

I think 'didn't mean to' stops counting after the first to second to third shift.  :scratchchin:

Did you eat all that food?



well I told myself its too late now...she is in a burning out state so I kept going.

I think that might have been adrenaline talking  :lol:

1974dodgecharger

no I carried it into work this huge bag of Arbys and sat down before my shift I ate one roast beef sandwich and felt full!!!  All my co workers asked me if I was 'ok' I said 'yeah, why'

'well its becuase you have a very large bag of food for some odd reason and we know you dont eat that much food'  I laughed and told them what happened....they told me to take a smoke break before shift to relax even further since after I told them the storie I got all hyped up again lol...

I still cant get over the smoke it caused my whole rear view mirror all I saw was smoke and it took maybe 40 yards to finally see the car behind me at the light of pure smoke....INSNAE MY CHARGER BROTHERS VERY INSANE!!!!

Back N Black

That's a funny and cool story. :2thumbs: Every time i take my Charger out for a drive i do at least one smokey burnout. I have 6000 miles on my rear tires and it looks like it has 50,000 miles.

JB400

That's pretty cool :2thumbs:  Could you teach Stu how to do one? :lol:

oldgold69


cavemanno1

Well done,bet it felt good!I have never done a burnout either on my charger!Did plenty with my bikes although not with the Ducati!

Just curious,if you don't have sure grip how come both tires were smoking?Isn't sure grip for driving both wheels not just the one on the right  :scratchchin: ?


1974dodgecharger

Thats what was confusing me when I looked behind me I saw both tires giving off smoke....I thought thats what sure grip did and a NON sure grip would spin only one tire so it was kinda odd it did that, but hey it was fun watching all that smoke and the old man next to me shook his head in disbelief lol.....

Cooter

TORQUE gets wheels spinning. 4-speed keeps em spinning coupled with uber hard rubber street tires and not hard to see why dumping the clutch spun the tires. 300 hp or not.

I have one car with an automatic that does this when loud pedal is mashed, at about a 30 mph roll...
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

XH29N0G

Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 15, 2014, 06:10:48 AM
and the old man next to me shook his head in disbelief lol.....

Some of us are old men too.  I would also shake my head.  He might have been shaking his head but also thinking back....  (I think my dad still does that with me and I rode in a car seat in my charger.)
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

Cooter

TORQUE gets wheels spinning. 4-speed keeps em spinning coupled with uber hard rubber street tires and not hsrd to see why dumping the clutch spun the tires. 300 hp or not.

I have one car with an automatic that does this when loud pedal is mashed, at about a 30 mph roll...

Yes, an open rear when suspension is unloaded evenly ( like when someone dumps the clutch) will spin BOTH wheels.
Ps, I have another 8 3/4" chunk when you break that one from doing "burnouts"...
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Ghoste

Tire smoke is highly addictive by the way.  If you were able to smell even a trace of it you are screwed.  Damn stuff is worse than crack.

myk

Quote from: Ghoste on January 15, 2014, 06:47:59 AM
Tire smoke is highly addictive by the way.  If you were able to smell even a trace of it you are screwed.  Damn stuff is worse than crack.
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I still think a line of body fragrances aimed towards blue-collar, DIY types of men would be a success.  I don't know about you guys, but after a bit of wrenching or even driving an older machine like a Charger around for a few hours, the smell of gas, oil, steel and vinyls are highly intoxicating; well, to me anyway...

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1974dodgecharger

Quote from: Cooter on January 15, 2014, 06:30:31 AM
TORQUE gets wheels spinning. 4-speed keeps em spinning coupled with uber hard rubber street tires and not hsrd to see why dumping the clutch spun the tires. 300 hp or not.

I have one car with an automatic that does this when loud pedal is mashed, at about a 30 mph roll...

Yes, an open rear when suspension is unloaded evenly ( like when someone dumps the clutch) will spin BOTH wheels.
Ps, I have another 8 3/4" chunk when you break that one from doing "burnouts"...


told you cooter I dont do this stuff man lol....like I said it was my first burn out in the charger I usually just cruise her.  Just like how I still want a blower for the looks and not actual power gains from it..... :icon_smile_big:

Dino

I think I did a burnout just about every day for the longest time.  Very tempting when you're at a stop out in the country with nobody around.  Now I don't do those anymore really, but I still love to push it in a turn so the tail slides out a bit. 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

RallyeMike

If this post is in practice for an excuse to get out of you next "display" ticket, I give you a D   :nana:
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Lord Warlock

I find it hard to believe that ANY owner of a muscle car has never done a burnout.  Although I find the story funny or fun to read, I doubt things.   I often hear similar stories from new SRT8 owners that claim to never have gone 100 in the car, they spend 50k on a high performance car and never hit 100? also hard to believe, 100 is way too easy to reach even on an interstate onramp, would believe them if they said 125, alot of people get scared driving over 100.

I did burnouts as soon as I got into a car and was in a position to do so without getting a ticket.  I only stopped doing them after I had to buy my first set of replacement tires myself.  Still do them occasionally when i get a new car.  Just to see how the car handles when back tires are loose. 

I did once get a surprise, tried to do a burnout making a left turn in a car with all wheel drive, front tires spun rear tires gripped car moved to center of road, then as I straightened wheel, rear tires spun and front tires gripped, ended up off the road with front wheels pointed toward a drainage ditch.  the goal initially was to fishtail the stealth like a mustang would, learned not to do that again.  About 8 years later tried it again on a straight road with a 5k clutch dump trying to do a 4 wheel burnout, did get them to spin but managed to spin the clutch on the pressure plate, glazing the clutch, burnt clutch smell overwhelmed the burnt rubber smell ruining the experience for me. 

The charger did one good burnout with both tires spinning through all 3 gears on the automatic, left two stripes about 3 blocks long, and my car does not have posi either I did not brake torque it to start the burn, did shift manually through the auto on column.  It did lots of burnouts in various locations as a teenager owner.  Plan on doing a burnout soon after I get the car drivable again, its part of the reliving the past experience.
69 RT/SE Y3 cream yellow w/tan vinyl top and black r/t stripe. non matching 440/375, 3:23, Column shift auto w/buddy seat, tan interior, am/fm w/fr to back fade, Now wears 17" magnum 500 rims and Nitto tires. Fresh repaint, new interior, new wheels and tires.

lloyd3

Burnouts and musclecars go hand-in-hand, so I'm a little surprised by your response to this situation.  But, if it's not your habit to push these cars very hard, then I guess I could be convinced.  I've also had a few surprises in my cars over the years.  Just this last Summer, early in September, not long after getting my car back, I drove it to work to show it to a couple of folks I know near there. On the way home, I swung by my barber to show him the car too (he's only been hearing me whine about it for 5-years now). He was working on a client as I spoke to him from the sidewalk through his open glass front door. He made the usual host of compliments and affirmations, and then he made a crack about how "old and hard the tires must be after all that time".  My response was to climb back in the idling car, pick up revs (just a bit agressively) before dumping the clutch to get the requisite "chirp" upon launch. Now, maybe I'm a bit rusty and maybe my reflexes aren't as nimble as they once were, maybe the crappy asphault there was a bit hot and tar-covered, and maybe my tires are indeed getting aged and hard, but whatever the reason....what I got wasn't a "chirp".  The car acted like it was on ice and broke completely loose, even crossing-up a bit. Thankfully, even with fairly heavy traffic approaching, I had lots of room to move around as I merged back onto Broadway with both tires fully wreathed in smoke. Force of habit kicked in and I hammered second without even thinking about it and we just kept spinning.  About halfway up the block everything hooked up again and I stopped for the redlight. Now, I'm old enough to know better and this isn't how I normally drive my car, so very-much like you, I was a bit shaken up.  Grinning ear-to-ear, but still a bit alarmed, I at-least had the presence of mind to turn off of the road and get down a sidestreet and pull myself together, because not two blocks later I had an Englewood PD cruser right on my back bumper. I let him follow me for a bit, then I turned quickly into a VA hospital parking lot. He just kept going.  

I saw my barber about a week later and I apologised for all the drama, explaining that it hadn't been what I had intended.  He just smiled and asked me when was I going to "bring your car back down again?"

6pkrtse

Both ends of my subdivision have businesses on the corners & are closed on the weekends or later in the evenings. There have been a multiple of times when entering off of the main roads from a slow roll my Charger's accelerator pedal somehow accidently gets stuck to the floor...... Funny thing is I had three side by side about 6-10" over from the other marks. It looks like a big tire Pro Steet car did them but the are three or four of my burnouts & they all follow the same "S" pattern & look like one big tire.
Most of my buddies see all of the marks when the come over & have asked if they were mine. LOL. I have no idea what they are talking about.
1963 Belvedere 413 Max Wedge
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 sixpack.
1970 Challenger R/T Drag Radial 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Road Runner 383 4 BBL
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 4 BBL
1996 Dodge Ram 2500 V-10 488 cu in.
2004 Dodge Ram 3500 CTD Dually 6x6
2012 Challenger R/T Classic

moparsr2fast

  If you don't have it sideways in the road smoking both tires, you aren't on the gas hard enough  :icon_smile_big:
Bob

  70 Charger 500
     2001 Ram 2500 Sport
        2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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1974dodgecharger

Quote from: moparsr2fast on January 17, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
 If you don't have it sideways in the road smoking both tires, you aren't on the gas hard enough  :icon_smile_big:


It was about half like I said I didn't mean for the burnout to happen  :icon_smile_big: it was fun as heck though...it now reminds me of joe dirt scene when he had his Daytona lol.....

Like I said I looked to the left and the old man just looked at me weird and yet I was not really moving just creating smoke lol....

lloyd3

Joe Dirt gets panned regularly, but I must confess...I own a copy of it.  That burnout scene you mention is classic! The 8-track scene in the Porta-potty is priceless as well (if you own a few of those, too).  Growing up in small-town RFD America in the 60s and 70s makes that movie almost a bit too-close for comfort to what I experienced.  I'm not sure I'd admit to even seeing it in polite company.

1974dodgecharger

Between us i also own the copy lol.....love that scene with the Daytona burnout.  :2thumbs:

Ghoste

Hey I like Joe Dirt.  It is exactly what it purports to be.

Sublime/Sixpack

Many years ago I was stationed in Texas while in the military and found that some road surfaces there on a warm/hot sunny day became very slippery! My '68 Dart GTS with 383 and four speed would easy spin the rear tires at will in fourth gear by just rolling on the throttle. At first I couldn't believe how easily the tires broke loose, but then realized it was just that particular road surface on that particular day. My 383 was healthy but not healthy enough to do that same thing on a surface with normal traction.

Have you since tried to light up your tires to see if it was just a fluke?

And could it be that the old guy was shaking his head at you out of disgust. :shruggy: A lot of people now days are becoming more and more conscious about keeping the air clean. They don't appreciate the smoky burnouts at all.

Either way it sounds as though you got quite the rush that day.
1970 Sublime R/T, 440 Six Pack, Four speed, Super Track Pak

don duick

I put a new motor in mine, a mild 440  and was expecting some serious tyre frying but to my disappointment nothing. I had BF Goodrich G Force tyres sometimes they broke traction but would not make much noise and also kept the car in a reasonably straight line.  Then I tried a pair of old tyres big difference they really smoked up made a hell of a noise and the car was all over the place man this is fun. I only do this on a quiet street with nobody around. 

1974dodgecharger

Can we pretend that it was becuase my 383/4 speed was so poweful that she spun the tires and let me have my enjoyment  :nana: :icon_smile_big:


Quote from: Sublime/Sixpack on January 18, 2014, 11:20:22 AM
Many years ago I was stationed in Texas while in the military and found that some road surfaces there on a warm/hot sunny day became very slippery! My '68 Dart GTS with 383 and four speed would easy spin the rear tires at will in fourth gear by just rolling on the throttle. At first I couldn't believe how easily the tires broke loose, but then realized it was just that particular road surface on that particular day. My 383 was healthy but not healthy enough to do that same thing on a surface with normal traction.

Have you since tried to light up your tires to see if it was just a fluke?

And could it be that the old guy was shaking his head at you out of disgust. :shruggy: A lot of people now days are becoming more and more conscious about keeping the air clean. They don't appreciate the smoky burnouts at all.

Either way it sounds as though you got quite the rush that day.


Paul G

Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 14, 2014, 09:20:12 PM

man I did not think that a sub 300 HP power vehicle could that with 4000lbs....

Might have to rethink that.  :icon_smile_tongue:
1972 Charger Topper Special, 360ci, 46RH OD trans, 8 3/4 sure grip with 3.91 gear, 14.93@92 mph.
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Ghoste

Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 18, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Can we pretend that it was becuase my 383/4 speed was so poweful that she spun the tires and let me have my enjoyment  :nana: :icon_smile_big:

It's what I thought all along.

XH29N0G

Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 18, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Can we pretend that it was becuase my 383/4 speed was so poweful that she spun the tires and let me have my enjoyment  :nana: :icon_smile_big:


When my 383 was healthy (original cam - only really headers and a little more carburetor) it would spin the stock 14 inch tires like that, so I think you may not have to pretend.
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

1974dodgecharger

Quote from: Paul G on January 19, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
Quote from: 1974dodgecharger on January 14, 2014, 09:20:12 PM

man I did not think that a sub 300 HP power vehicle could that with 4000lbs....

Might have to rethink that.  :icon_smile_tongue:

Paul,
U sir are correct i retract my statement will try to link to my Facebook to show u guys why lol...

Lord Warlock

If my 383 auto could easily fry wide bias plys a 4spd should fry tires with just as much ease.  I put a 383 in the charger at one time and it ran just as well as the 440 did, it just didn't have the lungs at the top end that the 440 did.  I had L50-15 tires on it and had no problem turning them into smoke at will.  One thing I will admit though is that the charger when spinning tires rarely squealed the tires, all you heard was motor and a scrubbing noise and lots of smoke.  My 66 mustang when spinning tires they would make a squealing noise the whole time. 
69 RT/SE Y3 cream yellow w/tan vinyl top and black r/t stripe. non matching 440/375, 3:23, Column shift auto w/buddy seat, tan interior, am/fm w/fr to back fade, Now wears 17" magnum 500 rims and Nitto tires. Fresh repaint, new interior, new wheels and tires.

XH29N0G

Quote from: Lord Warlock on January 20, 2014, 07:21:43 PM
One thing I will admit though is that the charger when spinning tires rarely squealed the tires, all you heard was motor and a scrubbing noise and lots of smoke.  My 66 mustang when spinning tires they would make a squealing noise the whole time. 

Wonder why that is?  I think I have noticed it too.   :scratchchin: :scratchchin:   
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

Ghoste

Because some tires try to grip and some have a harder wearing tread compound that makes a scrubbing sound.

squeakfinder


  These 295-50-15 radials make quite a bit of smoke but they don't leave the marks like the old bias plys did.
Still looking for 15x7 Appliance slotted mags.....

6pkrtse

Quote from: squeakfinder on January 20, 2014, 08:22:54 PM

  These 295-50-15 radials make quite a bit of smoke but they don't leave the marks like the old bias plys did.

I also have 295/50's on my car currrently & they leave nice dark marks & stay there forever.
1963 Belvedere 413 Max Wedge
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 sixpack.
1970 Challenger R/T Drag Radial 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Road Runner 383 4 BBL
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 4 BBL
1996 Dodge Ram 2500 V-10 488 cu in.
2004 Dodge Ram 3500 CTD Dually 6x6
2012 Challenger R/T Classic

Lord Warlock

I always thought it was because the 440 had so much torque that the tires just gave up trying to get traction and decided spinning was easier.  I do kind of wonder what will happen when i try to launch it hard again now that it has 11 inch wide 17 inch wheels with 315 series nitto drag radials on it, will it spin or will it grip, who knows. Will be fun either way.
69 RT/SE Y3 cream yellow w/tan vinyl top and black r/t stripe. non matching 440/375, 3:23, Column shift auto w/buddy seat, tan interior, am/fm w/fr to back fade, Now wears 17" magnum 500 rims and Nitto tires. Fresh repaint, new interior, new wheels and tires.

Ghoste

Unless you are far from home and break a u-joint.  That is never fun.

6pkrtse

Quote from: Ghoste on January 22, 2014, 10:36:16 AM
Unless you are far from home and break a u-joint.  That is never fun.

Been there done that. Did that years ago while out cruising Telegraph. Blew the driveshaft. Luckily, a few dudes helped me push it to the side of the road. Another buddy of mine out there gave me a ride home to pick up the trailer.
1963 Belvedere 413 Max Wedge
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 sixpack.
1970 Challenger R/T Drag Radial 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Road Runner 383 4 BBL
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 4 BBL
1996 Dodge Ram 2500 V-10 488 cu in.
2004 Dodge Ram 3500 CTD Dually 6x6
2012 Challenger R/T Classic

Ghoste

Done it a couple of times myself.  The weak links never reveal themselves a block from home which is stramge because I'm much more likely to have my asshole hat on closer to home and familiar audiences.

1974dodgecharger

I feel like a kid I been doing little burnouts (no smoke) every so often now  :icon_smile_big: