What is it with you guys and brand loyalte?

[cavemanno1]

I always wondered why you guys hate other brands like ford,Chevy etc.

If you like old classic muscle cars why hate the others?Is it the way you were brought up,culture or just personal bad experience with the other brands?

We over here in Hungary love anything that is a classic American car!Like myself i love '68-'69 chargers but also like the '67-'68 mustang fastback,'67 Gto,'71-74 Pontiac firebird,'77 trans am,'79 Corvette and others!

Don't wanna upset you guys but don't you think if you consider yourself a car guy that shouldn't mean that you like ONLY one brand?

[charger Downunder]

If it has a chrome bumper i like it. Then again i now own three Volvo's.

[XH29N0G]

I like any nice old car (muscle cars more), but for me the charger is what I like most. 

The charger is what I grew up with.   

[War wagon]

I'm a gear head.... I can appreciate any car.

But when it comes to muscle cars there is no substitute , only Mopars for me.
While I can appreciate the lines of a 67 mustang fastback, I will never own one for many reasons...
Everybody and their brother has one, same with Camaro's..
The brand X crap just wasn't engineered for abuse and maximum power the way the Mopar stuff was. The engineers at Mopar where real car guys , like the ram chargers they advanced the cars towards maximum Reliable performance.

When it comes time to spend my hard earned money, it gets spent on a Mopar..
Nobody likes too finish 2nd

Pull into a car show or race track in a camaro.... No one looks or cares you have arrived....
Pull into a car show driving a Mopar, everyone looks and soon you have a crowd around the car.
Why is that? They didn't make very many compared to the other manufacturers and people KNOW these cars are powerful and win a lot of races. Not too mention they are Beautiful machines

Go ahead and buy a Chevy or Ford, you can watch my tail lights down the track.


MOPAR= More Overall Power And Reliablity   

[Daytona R/T SE]

My opinions are based on my personal experience.

I've owned several cars and trucks over the years.

I lost count a long time ago.

It has to be around 75 vehicles that I've owned at this point.

From parts cars dragged out of the junkyard, to brand new off the dealer's lot, I've had several.

I've had my best luck with the Chrysler products.

The Fords I've owned with one exception were good vehicles.

There are some Pontiacs I had that I wish I'd kept.

Every last Chevrolet I've ever owned has been a flying hunk of shit.

If someone gave me a Chevrolet, it would be for sale before I got it home...CHEAP !

Did I mention that I hate Chevies ?

Your results may vary.

[Baldwinvette77]

Brand loyalty? I grew up in the era of the cavilier and honda civic, i'll take anything american between 1940-1972, far cooler looking, easier to repair, and as for musclecars theres really not anything from any brand im not a fan of  amx, chevelle, firebird, torino, coronet, i'd take anything over a late model hatchback 

[cavemanno1]

OK,thanks for the personal point of view!

I'm not judging anyone so don't get me wrong i just always wondered why it is?

I'm a biker myself as well and have a ducati.Now most of the guys who own a ducati hate Japanese bikes with a passion!
Don't understand them but that is their choice!Sure like War wagon mentioned applies with ducatis as well!Rarer and better looking than the other brands!

For me the '68-'69 charger is the number 1 and wouldn't own an other muscle car unless i have a charger!Hell,i swore to myself to the first car i will have is a '69 charger!Waited 15 years for it to get her.No doubt the charger is the best looking car ever!

About who is the fastest or have a bigger engine isn't my thing!There is always someone faster,better and stronger then you,always!


You guys are lucky to grow up with these cars around you and have a "culture" to have "Father son" projects.
Would be cool to have a cheap muscle car when you are in high school or have garages big enough and parts store around the corner to fix these cars up!
Thinking about all those kids playing with their xbox360,playstation and laptops instead of wrenching in the garage.I'm 34 but sure as hell will try to teach my son anything i know about bikes and cars!

We just watched Smokey and the Bandit on TV and even he is just 8 months old just sat there in my lap watching the car being chased!Hope he will love cars and bikes and girls more than stupid computer games!

OK sorry back to the topic!

[cavemanno1]

Brand loyalty? I grew up in the era of the cavilier and honda civic, i'll take anything american between 1940-1972, far cooler looking, easier to repair, and as for musclecars theres really not anything from any brand im not a fan of  amx, chevelle, firebird, torino, coronet, i'd take anything over a late model hatchback 

Would you guys say that the brand loyalty if we can call it applies with older generation?No offense to anyone calling them old !

Seems to me from the comments that only a few people are Mopar fanatics,or am i wrong?

[Patronus]

'Cause the rest of them suck? 

[War wagon]

Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes IMHO , I've had a couple Japanese bikes over the years and always wanted a Duck! Awesome machines
As far as the "older set" being more brand loyal there may some truth to that.

I have an underlying need for speed that just never seems to be satisfied.
My dream would be to pilot a nitro methane funny car
So I appreciate ANY performance car

And your very correct in saying someone will always be faster...... See the Best part of owning a Mopar is even if you loose the race you take comfort in the fact you still have the cooler car LOL

I'm ONLY brand loyal when it comes to muscle cars! My winter car is made in Japan lol
I have a Ram 4x4 that I don't want ruined from the salt and snow.

If I had the coin I would have a huge range of vehicles from all over the world. But when it comes to classic American muscle cars, even if I had unlimited funds I could only think of a couple non Mopars I would be interested in.
Dodge Chrysler Plymouth offered the customer sooooo many choices, it's hard too stray from a good thing

[RallyeMike]

It's mostly just friendly rivalry and competition. It makes it fun, kind of like ribbing your best buddy. If Mopar's didn't exist, most everyone here would be thrilled to have a Mustang, Camaro, Pacer X, etc.

[dyslexic teddybear]

It's mostly just friendly rivalry and competition. It makes it fun, kind of like ribbing your best buddy.

Well put.

I don't hate anyone else's rig. To each his own.

But.....there's always a "but".......back in the day my Challenger was on the road, there was a small percentage of Chevy owners that were just plain [expletive deleted]s. Obnoxious [expletive deleted]s.

The feelings for Fords.....comes from pickups. I'm also into 4X4s some, again a small percentage of Ford owners.....well a large percentage of Power Stroke guy's feel so inadequate around Cummins guys.....they just can't seem to help themselves.

So there is a bit of personal......negativity from some owners. So it's natural they get a bit of negativity back.

They shouldn't shovel it, if they can't take it.

[Ghoste]

These cars are rooted in competition and wouldn't exist without it.  After that its just supporting the home team.

[b5blue]

  As a kid I grew up with my dad buying GM, so I started buying GM after my brother blew the engine in my Willys Overlander. (My first car.) The only GMs that didn't self destruct were 6cyl Novas. Buick, Olds, Chevy old or new they broke. The new 77 Z/28 was delivered to me with a broken cruise control and the new 78 Chevy 4X4 short bed truck's engine didn't make it to the first payment due.
  I reluctantly took a 67 stang in trade and sold the truck while it was in the dealer getting the engine overhauled. Drove then sold for a nice profit the 67, picked up a 65 rag top and swapped it for a Duster. That was my turn around, the Fords and Mopars didn't break constantly like I was use to. When they did have some issue it was easier to fix/work on. No Ford or Mopar ever "cost" me money, they all ran for so many miles and regardless of repairs paid me back in service over the years.
  I can't speak for newer cars as I have no interest in any. I have friends who adore GMs and several hard core Chevy guys who all have no issues. I figure I ether suck at picking GM or just am too hard on them, they can't take my abuse.  I "like them all" but my 70 Charger is my car, I don't want anything else to drive.

[Cooter]

Plenty of reasons...
Some always root for the underdog.
Some always go with the one that has their engines in Top Fuel. (Even though NOTHING on those hemis are even close to a street hemi)
Some will support only what their low info family member has always supported, and threatened with bodily harm if anything else is brought into the yard.
Some will only support the cheapest brand to build out there because that's what everybody else is doing so they dont wanna be the one thats different. ( ie SHEEPLE).
AND ON AND ON AND ON.

[cudaken]

It is easy for me to explain Peter. I grew up in the Muscle Days and Dad bought my 68 Road Runner because he was a Richard Petty Fan. 

So all the other makers cars where the enemy, just that simple.

I do like all old muscle cars now, but Mopar is still the one for me!  Muscle cars I would like to own besides Mopar? 

A/C Cobra
KR 500 Shelby.

Cuda Ken

[BrianShaughnessy]

Being from Detroit...   I've owned Mopar, Chevies,  Pontiacs,  Fords,  Jeeps..   but I'll never own anything made in japan, china, or korea.   Or from a company based in china, japan, or korea.

I'll admit I owned a Triumph TR7 once tho.

[polywideblock]

here in Australia we lost Chrysler in 81. so all we had in motor sport was holden(GM) or ford . people chose a side and supported it . the Bathurst endurance race and "king of the mountain" meant everything . could get like and English soccer game  with the two sides squaring off    

while I now think of myself as a mopar guy I'd still have a HQ Monaro  GTS    or a LH   SL/R 5000 torana

[Cooter]

Being from Detroit...   I've owned Mopar, Chevies,  Pontiacs,  Fords,  Jeeps..   but I'll never own anything made in japan, china, or korea.   Or from a company based in china, japan, or korea.

I'll admit I owned a Triumph TR7 once tho.

Yet, statements like these tend to amuse me....yet, where do you find US made aftermarket performance parts?
Those Edelbrock heads? Got news for you.....only that 'made in USA' label is made here.
Now, WORLD products?? Got news.....all made overseas. How bout that Stroker set up? Got news....
How bout PROCOMP parts? Got news...all made over seas.

Not to mention where 'we' shop for groceries.....

[Sublime/Sixpack]

cavemanno1,
Personally, I grew up thinking that each of the Big Three (GM, Ford, and Chrysler) turned out some cool iron back in the day. Of course as I grew older I learned that some people were really closed minded about certain makes.
About the time I became familiar with Mopars I discovered a lot of people around here didn't like Chrysler products at all. They'd bad mouth Mopars even though they had never owned one. How pathetic is that?

Me being a young owner of a new Coronet R/T back then made a point of enlightening these people as to how wrong they were about Chrysler products. I think me being the underdog and setting the record straight back then (so to speak) had a lot to do with me still driving Muscle Mopars to this day. Besides, I just plain love these cars. They're in my blood.

But with that said, I think of myself as being open minded about owning and driving other makes. After all, besides my beloved Mopars I do own a Chevy, Pontiac and AMC.
Even though I'm passionate about the old Mopars, I still can appreciate certain models of other makes. It's the ignorance on the part of others that I have a problem with, not the cars.

And now days it's not just the GM and Ford guys. Recently I've ran into quite a few younger owners of late/current Mopars that feel the need to bad mouth anything that isn't Mopar. Makes me feel like going out and buying the fastest Camaro or Mustang currently made just to open their minds a little.
Friendly rivalry I can see, but bad mouthing other peoples rides for no good reason isn't going to make this old planet a better place to live.

Same thing with motorcycles. I have my preferences but still can appreciate other makes if they are of high quality, good workmanship, good looks, reliable, and are enjoyable to ride.

My Grandma used to say "variety is the spice of life".   So true.

[1974dodgecharger]

I have a honda civic...what da problem is...

[Mopar Nut]

Mopar

or No car period...


I had them all, junk junk more junk.

[Aero426]

I like all kinds of cars.   

[JB400]

It's kind of like sports.  It's hard to watch or participate and not pick sides.

[69 OUR/TEA]

You would think I am brand loyal by looking at my daily cars,all Mopar,00 Durango R/T,03 Caravan,04 Hemi Ram QD,and just bought 13 Charger R/T.Before the Ram,my truck was an 89 Chevy 1500 4x4 350 TBI that I drove to work,plowed with,towed with,etc.Owned it for 15 years,was still pretty clean(I did repaint it),and sold it with 263k on it,still orig eng,front/rear axles,etc.Could not complain about that one !!!!
As far as old collector cars,I have more GM's now than Mopar.There are many other brand collector cars that someday I would like to own,probably won't,but just sayin.
When buying the new Charger,I explored new Buicks,Chevy,couple Ford products,Jeep,and Subaru.The one that came close was the Buick Verano and Regal.But when all done,it had to be somewhat exciting to pull the $$$$$ out of my hands,and the others just didn't do it.At least the Charger has some fun about it.

[Ghoste]

The Verano and Regal?  Interesting.

[cavemanno1]

69 our/tee,not my business but why the hell do you need 4 daily driver 

Don't care about the carbon emission,poor trees and dolphins

[Homerr]

One thing I like Mopar for is the sense of fun.  The ad campaigns were cool, mod tops, roadrunners with beep-beep horns, pistol grip shifters.  Design in many cases was top notch, see 2nd gen Chargers and E-bodies.  I grew up riding in the back of a '66 Satellite too.

After a time things like torsion bars and unibody construction seem like the right way to have done things.  Work on a Mopar for a while and the arcane knowledge that transfers between each model helps bond with the brand.  I suppose it isn't that different than Ford and Chevy guys.

Any Mustang fastback up to 1973 is pretty cool in my book.  I could own an AMC - Javelin or AMX - at some point.  I'm less interested in GM/Chevy overall, but I do love the Corvairs.

[myk]

My only brand loyalty is to wheeled vehicles that go above and beyond the bare need of just getting from point A, to point B.  If someone's just into "this" or "that" or whatever brand and hates everything else, then you're missing the point and might as well be driving something mundane and lifeless designed to get you from point A, to point B; may God have mercy on you...

[odcics2]

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     any questions?

[cavemanno1]

So the "Mopar or no car" doesn't stand anymore? 

By the looks of it not many people "Brand loyal" then!Which i can understand perfectly!

Nowdays when you have to watch gas milage and jap cars use less gas,it isn't easy to be loyal!


Why can't the American car manufacturesrs make their cars competitive with Japos?

I'm not an American but would choose an American brand well before a Japanese or German.
I know how patriotic you guys are proud to be an American so why not support your car manufacturers,maybe then they would not need to be sold off to the Germans or Italians!

I know i can't see the whole business aspect of it and it's more to it than just "Buy American" it's good for the country!
But it's a shame where they ended up since they made the best looking cars ever,not just Chrysler but the others!

Changing the American car design and manufacturing ways to be like European is way wrong!It's like crossing two great breed of dogs who are completely diffrent but great in their own ways to make something that is a mix match.All you end up is something hideous because they loose what made them great!IMO

[odcics2]

So the "Mopar or no car" doesn't stand anymore? 

By the looks of it not many people "Brand loyal" then!Which i can understand perfectly!

Nowdays when you have to watch gas milage and jap cars use less gas,it isn't easy to be loyal!


Why can't the American car manufacturesrs make their cars competitive with Japos?

I'm not an American but would choose an American brand well before a Japanese or German.
I know how patriotic you guys are proud to be an American so why not support your car manufacturers,maybe then they would not need to be sold off to the Germans or Italians!

I know i can't see the whole business aspect of it and it's more to it than just "Buy American" it's good for the country!
But it's a shame where they ended up since they made the best looking cars ever,not just Chrysler but the others!

Changing the American car design and manufacturing ways to be like European is way wrong!It's like crossing two great breed of dogs who are completely diffrent but great in their own ways to make something that is a mix match.All you end up is something hideous because they loose what made them great!IMO

To me, it is "Mopar or no car".
I have NEVER owned anything else in my entire life and am PROUD of that fact.

[Ghoste]

Me too.  I guess I wasn't clear about that before.

[cavemanno1]

Me too.  I guess I wasn't clear about that before.

Yes you were but i wrote "not many people" are having just mopars!You are one of the few

[Cooter]

426 hemi making 1000 hp.....


LS motor making 2000 for less money.....hmmmmm.....

[69 OUR/TEA]

69 our/tee,not my business but why the hell do you need 4 daily driver 

Don't care about the carbon emission,poor trees and dolphins

Well,cavenman,to answer that short and simple,you don't need 4 daily drivers.In short,bought the Durango R/T new in 00,when gas was $1.80 gal and at 12 city/16 highway,did'nt care.It's black,became very particular with it(has 15k miles on it as we speak),so wasn't driving it much.Then in 03,saw at that dodge dealer,brand new Caravan SXT sticker for $24k,knocked down to $18,500 !!!With a 1 and 3 year old at the time,easier for my wife to get them in/out,and if they're gonna puke/spill juice/make a mess,rather have them do that to a $18k van,not a $36k Durango.I know,sell the Durango,right?Liked it enough to keep  and use only on nice days,going out to functions,whatever.
In the hobby,you need a truck for hauling and towing,so bought a Ram(30k miles in 7 years),and with the calcium chloride they use around me,won't drive it in that crap,you see how the Rams rot out around the WW's.NTM,brake/fuel lines.So we use the van,goes awesome with Blizzaks all around !!!!!
Now,this past summer,my family was in the Caravan on the highway and was hit on the right side and shoved in front of a tractor trailor on the left,wiping out the van.Everbody walked away without a scratch,the van,not so good,$8k+ damage totaling it.
My wife really loves the new Chargers,we got an awesome deal,I think,on it so we bought one.
Ended up retaining the van with the salvage title,fixing it,and keeping it anyway,for both of us to use,ntm,for my career I have a company truck for whom I work for,if I go to another company,they might not have them and you must use your own vehicle,I need to be able to haul instruments/equipment,and small ladders,so the van would be perfect.And again,my oldest will start driving in the next 3,4 years,perfect for her to learn/start off in as they are easy to drive/see out of.
As far as polluting the air/killing the trees,does'nt matter how many cars you have,can only drive one or two at a time,ntm,my wife works from home,LOL .

[Scaregrabber]

Back in the 70's we did lots of street racing. The Chevy guys always trash talked Mopars which only served to tick us off and make them run harder. But the effect stays with you all your life and to this day I don't like the General. Back in those days Ford and Mopar guys had fewer numbers and worked to kick GM butts, that`s why I still respect Ford guys more than GM guys. I would own classic Ford muscle but not Chevy.

Sheldon

[Ghoste]

 

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Back in the 70's we did lots of street racing. The Chevy guys always trash talked Mopars which only served to tick us off and make them run harder. But the effect stays with you all your life and to this day I don't like the General. Back in those days Ford and Mopar guys had fewer numbers and worked to kick GM butts, that`s why I still respect Ford guys more than GM guys. I would own classic Ford muscle but not Chevy.

Sheldon

Being a Mopar fan from way back I relate to what you've said here, but it's not the GM cars that are at fault, it's some (if not most) of the OWNERS of GM cars.  Namely Chevy owners. They have a mindset, and refuse to pull their heads out of their butt and accept the fact that some other manufacturer may have built a better machine.

When discussing cars with other people I've often said it's not so much the Chevy's I have a problem with it's the mentality and attitude of the owners.

Through the years I've owned a few Chevys. Did I think they were better than my Mopars? No!    Did I like them better than my Mopars? No!    Were they good cars? Yeah, they were okay, I enjoyed them.

[cavemanno1]

I bet,on some other brands forum they say the exact same thing!

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Perhaps.

[Ghoste]

No doubt.  They're wrong of course but I'm sure they say it.

[odcics2]

No doubt.  They're wrong of course but I'm sure they say it.

[1974dodgecharger]

426 hemi making 1000 hp.....


LS motor making 2000 for less money.....hmmmmm.....

Very true cooter, very true.  Though in the end if money was no object I would throw it at the Hemi personally.

[odcics2]

426 hemi making 1000 hp.....


LS motor making 2000 for less money.....hmmmmm.....

Very true cooter, very true.  Though in the end if money was no object I would throw it at the Hemi personally.

lol, who cares about money?   

[Sublime/Sixpack]

No doubt.  They're wrong of course but I'm sure they say it.

[Ghoste]

If I wanted an LS I'd be on that forum dissing Mopars.

[Cooter]

426 hemi making 1000 hp.....


LS motor making 2000 for less money.....hmmmmm.....

Very true cooter, very true.  Though in the end if money was no object I would throw it at the Hemi personally.

lol, who cares about money?    

Other than the insanely rich, pretty much everybody else...

[timmycharger]

Funny, if the dealership at the end of my Grandparents street was a Ford or Chevrolet, then Id be probably tinkering with a Chevelle or Torino.  Brand loyalty was passed down to me, Mopar was all I knew growing up in the early 80's.  My father had slant six Darts, my Grandfather had Coronets and Magnums, but the biggest influence on me was my Uncle, who had a 69 Charger. The car was a mess, specifically after being stolen in the 70's, but I remember riding in it and wanting one ever since.  I still have a nice black and white pic of it framed in my garage as an homage to what was responsible for my current obsession with the Dodge Charger.  

Will my boys be obsessed with my Subaru or my wife's Mazda? its not the same to me for some reason.

When it comes to muscle car era cars, its Mopar or No Car for me.  Makes for a lot of fun with my buddies, as they have Ford and Chevy Muscle, especially when putting the smack down on them at the track  

Ok, no smack is being laid down at the moment (it was 10 years ago, but whos counting?)

[chargerboy69]

When I was young and naive I was a Mopar or No Car Kid.  After realizing Mopar made some fairly ugly cars since. . . well. . . forever, there are probably just a handful of Mopars I actually like. Chevelles, Torinos, Mustangs, Grand Nationals, Trans Ams, all sweat cars, and all cars I would take over most Mopars.

Now, Chargers, Coronets and Superbirds rise to the top for me. . . but a 1972 Trans Am and 1968 Chevelle SS are up there too.

[ACUDANUT]

Caveman. " Why can't the American car manufacturers make their cars competitive with Japans ?

We do. My previous GM, was a 2006 Chevy Blazer with 250K miles on.  Not one problem.  I doubt you can get that out of a New Dodge.  Since Chrysler is owned by Fiat, I only buy Ford And GM.  No Jap or Korean owned cars here.