how many 69 Charger r/t 4 speed cars? Just curious.

[Charger-Bodie]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

[Ghoste]

About 3800.

[lloyd3]

How many have survived is the tougher question.

[Ghoste]

I still always tend to use the 20% standard for the most part.  There are good arguments for more and for less though.

[MxRacer855]

The "20%" standard... That's the first time I've ever heard that one. I like it! I don't have any statistics to prove that correct or incorrect, it just sounds reasonable.

[Ghoste]

Its a generalization and I'm not sure where I first heard but many in the hobby use a 20% survival rate for muscelcars.

[moparfan53]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

I thought I remembered reading 3579 383/4spd and 3602 RT/440/4spd on the chargerregistry site.
Looks like I was half right. This site shows 3605 RT/440/4spd.

http://www.moparmuscle69.com/productionfigures.htm

-Alan

[Ghoste]

The 383 powered cars are not RT's.  There are about 3600 440 onea nd a couple of hundred Hemi ones.  Those aren't exact numbers I'm going off the top of my head here.

[polywideblock]

not trying to hijack tread or anything but something don't add up


                                                             so how come only 330 4 speed rt's  in 71 ?

[Ghoste]

Same reason they sold fewer RT's overall and fewer musclecars in general, the party was over.

[six-tee-nine]

About 3800.

+1, I just welded in my 4-speed hump in my R/T   

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

Hmmm....sounds like a loaded question...sumpthin' new on the horizon???

[tan top]

 not trying to hijack
come across this video again   ,  this car was on ebay for sale a good few years back , all original unrestored  F8 R/T 440 four speed  A33
 did have loads of pictures of it saved but lost them all when computer blew up  



  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7thAbUfGxw

[Charger-Bodie]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

Hmmm....sounds like a loaded question...sumpthin' new on the horizon???

wanna buy a really awesome y3 survivor?

[69fuchs]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

I show 3605.....but a better question is how many GREEN 69 4 speed r/t's were built? 

I'll start.     mine is!!!!

[LeesRT]

1969 440, 4-speed, F6 GREEN, V21 here.

[RGA]

69 440 rt , f3 green. 4 speed sitting on the bench. Just need the shifter and hump and I'm in.

[Ghoste]

Just what it says. how many we're built?

I show 3605.....but a better question is how many GREEN 69 4 speed r/t's were built? 

I'll start.     mine is!!!!

I believe its 3605 powered by the 440, add in the the Hemi cars and you get the couple hundred more.

[lloyd3]

This thread's all over the place.  From the number of 1969 R/T 440 4-spd cars in the registry (3605?), how many are in relatively "good" condition?  By "good" I mean complete, driveable, and presentable. Not "project" cars.  Also, what does that number represent (as a percentage) of the total number of 1969 R/T 440 4spd cars originally built?  Twenty percent? If I had to bet, I'd guess that it's closer to 15 percent, and maybe even less.

[tracpack440]

How many 69  R/T SE 4sp where made. Is the 69registry still not operational.

[Ghoste]

That isn't the number in the registry, thats the number that Chrysler gave as to how many they built.

[moparfan53]

This thread's all over the place.  From the number of 1969 R/T 440 4-spd cars in the registry (3605?), how many are in relatively "good" condition?  By "good" I mean complete, driveable, and presentable. Not "project" cars.  Also, what does that number represent (as a percentage) of the total number of 1969 R/T 440 4spd cars originally built?  Twenty percent? If I had to bet, I'd guess that it's closer to 15 percent, and maybe even less.

As mentioned above by Ghoste, 3605 is amount of '69 440/4spd Chargers built by Chrysler, not the amount of cars registered.  I think there were about 200-300 registered.

[moparfan53]

How many 69  R/T SE 4sp where made...

I have a '69 R/T SE 4spd myself and have researched that question. It appears that will never be known due to the way Chrysler kept production records. The records show 20,057 Charger R/T's built. Out of those, 3,605 were 4spd cars and 4,243 were SE cars. As far as I know, there are no records of how many had both the 4spd and SE option.  

Is the 69registry still not operational.

Not online yet. I am sure Ghoste will have it up as soon as he can. Setting up and running a website is much more work than most people realize. I ran one for several years myself so know from experience. Chris did a great job with it for many years. I am thankful that Ghoste stepped up to take over the challenge of running it.

-Alan



Here are the '69 Charger R/T production figures.

[Ghoste]

And just so everyone knows I am working on it, actually thought I would have it up again a couple of weeks ago but Christmas held sway, very shortly I promise.

[charge69]

In moperfan53's post, the graph shows 432 Hemicars built, auto and 4-speed combined. However,  what is the "XS29J9B   29" listed as.  It confuses my pea-brain as to what this number is supposed to represent.

My Charger is XS29J9B...... but it looks as if it is counted among the 226 auto Hemi Chargers in the other part of the graph.

[Homerr]

I would take XS29J9B figure as 29 Hemi Chargers are known to have been built at Hamtramck, and the other 403 (auto & manual) were built elsewhere.


Here's a list of plants, not sure off the top of my head which had Charger lines in 1969.

A - Lynch Road, Michigan
    B - Hamtramck, Michigan
    C - Jefferson, Michigan
    D - Belvedere, Michigan
    E - Los Angeles, California
    F - Newark, Delaware
    G - St. Louis, Missouri
    R - Windsor, Ontario, Canada

[will]

I know we're posting about the 69 registry, but are there any plans to have a 68 registry? Let me send you the info I have if that's at all possible. Mine is a lowly 383 2 bbl plain jane a/c car.

[charge69]

That's interesting. I guess my Charger is one of the 29 Hemi Chargers built in Hamtramck.  For some reason I thought all Chargers built in 1969 were built there. At least, I thought all Hemi Chargers for 1969 were built in Hamtramck.  Guess I was wrong.

[tan top]

 68 & 69 chargers were built at
  ( B) Hamtramck  
  (G) St Louis
  assembly plants only

[charge69]

Have you ever seen an original Hemi Charger built somewhere other than Hamtramck in 1969?  Every one I have ever seen (not many) was built in "B" Hamtramck.

[69_500]

I have seen 2 Hemi 69's that were built at St. Louis. The green car Hemigeno had was a St. Louis built car. I was always told that the number of Hemi chargers listed also included the Hemi aero cars from 69 too. Could be wrong on that one though but there are over 100 Hemi 500's.

[Troy]

The chart shows "All" then breaks it down further. The * is a wild card. The "B" is the assembly plant so I'm guessing they knew exactly how many came out of there. I don't know why the top 2 lines look identical yet have different numbers buuuut... one should be the total number of Charger R/Ts made in 1969. Lines 3-6 are Charger R/Ts with the Hemi engine - 3 is the total, 4 is with manual trans, 5 is with automatic, and 6 is again a total but for that plant only. From there downwards it's 440 powered cars. Since engine/trans breakdowns for sunroof and SE aren't known those last 2 lines are grand totals (for R/Ts) for those options.

Troy

[tan top]

Have you ever seen an original Hemi Charger built somewhere other than Hamtramck in 1969?  Every one I have ever seen (not many) was built in "B" Hamtramck.

weird thing is  I've seen   3 maybe 4  st Louis built 69 hemi charger tags & they all have been F8  pretty sure 4 speed too , don't think that included HemiGenos either  , although I cant remember

[charge69]

Ha !  I THINK I understand how the chart was made. Anyway, I KNOW mine is a Hamtramck- build Hemicar and my info has been on the site long enough that it should already be included in the "XS29J9B" info.

[Davtona]

I personally know of 2 Hamtramck built Hemi cars and have seen others. Geno's car however is the only one I've ever seen that was a St Louis built car. I'm sure his wasn't the only one built there but IMHO I tend to believe there were more Hamtramck built cars. 

Does anyone know the answer to Danny's question as I would like to know too. I agree with him I have always heard the Aero cars were included in the 432 Hemi car count. Are they in that count or in addition to that count? 

[MxRacer855]

I feel like I got lost and stumbled out onto the red carpet with all of this Hemi talk.    Beautiful cars guys! Interesting reading what you had to say. I've never looked into learning about matching the numbers on my Charger to a database in order to find out all of the original information. I think I'm going to now. It's exciting.

[polywideblock]

I know we're posting about the 69 registry, but are there any plans to have a 68 registry? Let me send you the info I have if that's at all possible. Mine is a lowly 383 2 bbl plain jane a/c car.

               mailto:1968DodgeChargerRegistry@gmail.com

[hemigeno]

On the topic of 4-speed Charger R/T's...

I'd also like to know if the XX / Aero cars (C500's and Daytonas) were or were not included in the XS29 production totals.  While not a huge percentage of the R/T production run, it's still an unanswered question, especially since many of the early C500's came with XS29 markings and most (if not all) of the XX29 cars were issued a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) with XS29 instead of XX29 (my Daytona included).  That may explain why Chrysler may indeed have included the XX29 Aero models in with the XS29 production totals.

On the topic of '69 HemiChargers...

I would take XS29J9B figure as 29 Hemi Chargers are known to have been built at Hamtramck, and the other 403 (auto & manual) were built elsewhere.

The 29 figure (in Galen's little white books) indicates the number of Canadian '69 HemiChargers, which were all built at the Hamtramck plant.  There's a column of information left off of that production numbers chart posted above which is important - along with GG's remarks to help understand these numbers.  

I have never seen credible information giving a breakdown of HemiCharger production between the St. Louis and Hamtramck plants, but for every 1 St. Louis '69 HemiCharger I've ran across, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 Hamtramck cars.  Around 1998, Galen knew of only 13 St. Louis-built '69 HemiChargers (mine being one of the 13), but that's just a representation of how many cars he had documented or recorded as of that point in time and not an actual number of cars produced.  Even the total production of 432 is somewhat in question since the "S" designation in Galen's missing column (see above) infers that it excludes the 29 Canadian and an unknown quantity of Export (to other countries) Hemicars.  You would have to reference the Remarks section at the end of Galen's whole set of charts to get that explanation.  Add to that, the aforementioned question of whether the XX / Aero cars are or are not included in the XS29 totals and you have even more uncertainty.


Then we get into the number of XP HemiChargers which aren't on the list anywhere...  

[69rtse4spd]

How many 69  R/T SE 4sp where made. Is the 69registry still not operational.

I had heard around 600 had the S.E. option with the R/T, mine being one of them.

[XS29L]

Here are some #'s for '69 500's and Daytona's;   xx29 Charger 500  27 4spd with Hemi  26 4spd with 440 ,  xx29 Daytona  22 4spd with Hemi  137 4spd with 440.

[69CoronetRT]

I'd also like to know if the XX / Aero cars (C500's and Daytonas) were or were not included in the XS29 production totals.  

Given the XX cars low production, my WAG is they were included in the XS numbers. If you have a copy of the original sheets or GG's O&A report, you can probably determine the answer.

[XS29L]

The #s I found for xx cars was separate from the xs cars.   www.mopar-performance.bravepages.com