Question on originality

[Polygon]

Hi guys, i've been a member her for years, but no Charger. Just dreaming. Well, it's getting closer to buying one. Real close.
QUESTION for 1970 experts...
See this 70? http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/cto/4210448633.html
"" UNMOLESTED Original."" Ok, it looks very straight, but we have 1969 seat in the picture.


Didn't the strippo base Charger come with a bench seat?

[Ghoste]

Someone likely swapped them in.  "unmolested, original" are far overused, much like "barn find, survivor, rust free, easy restored, and frame up".

[Polygon]

"unmolested, original" are far overused, much like "barn find, survivor, rust free, easy restored, and frame up".

so true so true!
I am going to give him a call. I notice some pics are from 2007.

[hawkeye]

It looks as if the fender tag is still there, so take a smart phone with you so you can decode it.  That will tell you how "unmolested" it is.

[Stretch]

Stripper or not you could still order what you wanted. I had a '68 road runner that was a base model. It had bucket seats and console, radio delete. Auto on the column. 383/727.

I guess someone popped the $200.00 for buckets but didn't go the extra $50.00 for the floor shift console. 

[bill440rt]

Seats definitely not original, from a '68-'69 ('69 pattern on them).
Wrong wheels, and what looks to be a quickie spray bomb job on the engine.
I'd say she was groped a little. 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

  "unmolested, original" are far overused, much like "barn find, survivor, rust free, easy restored, and frame up".

[BIGBLCK11]

It looks pretty clean, but hard to tell from those pics.  Not a big deal, but the grill appears to have been painted over black or repainted.  It just doesn't scream survivor as suggested.  It could still be a good deal though.

[Ghoste]

I think you should go over there with 15k in your pocket, check the car over real well, and if it looks good make him an offer.

[tan top]

I think you should go over there with 15k in your pocket, check the car over real well, and if it looks good make him an offer.

yeah looks good from pictures   

[BrianShaughnessy]

Saw this ad for stripper 70 Charger parts on CL earlier today if you want the bench.  http://newjersey.craigslist.org/pts/4187509712.html

If you want decent 70 bucket cores to trade for the 69's shoot me a PM.

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Offer him $7500 because of how someone molested the grille, interior, and engine bay for starters.

[troy.70R/T]

I see it also has 69 Tail lights and is missing the 70 tail light trim

[A383Wing]

not all 70's had the big tail light trim panel

[Ghoste]

Specifically the base XH models.

[resq302]

surprised no one mentioned the chrome rims that were a 68 thing also.

[Ghoste]

Well they look so much better than trim rings.  (sorry  )



But good eye in all seriousness.

[Tilar]

Offer him $7500 because of how someone molested the grille, interior, and engine bay for starters.

It would be nice but I don't see anyone selling that for $7500. The 15k that Ghost suggested is closer to what it's worth.    If you want an actual survivor that has everything correct and looks good you would have to double even that to buy it.

[A383Wing]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

[bill440rt]

surprised no one mentioned the chrome rims that were a 68 thing also.

Scroll up, see my reply. 

Doesn't look like a bad car, just not a "survivor" car.

[Ghoste]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

It does look small in that pic doesn't?  I wonder if thats an XH thing?

[resq302]

   Sorry Bill, I did miss that!  Saw the part about the engine having a quickie paint job though. 

[BIGBLCK11]

It would be nice but I don't see anyone selling that for $7500. The 15k that Ghost suggested is closer to what it's worth.   

[1974dodgecharger]

Saw the price for 18k and was like wow then saw the engine and now i see why.

Looks awesome if i had a couple more dollars i would get it.

[A383Wing]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

It does look small in that pic doesn't?  I wonder if thats an XH thing?

wonder if it's a slant 6 radiator? Or maybe a slant six car with a 318 transplant?

Looks like a small rad with mount extension on drivers side

[bull]

The XH 70s did come with bench seats and I'm not sure if you could order buckets for them or not. One thing I'm pretty 99% sure of though; you couldn't order '69 buckets for a 70.

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Offer him $7500 because of how someone molested the grille, interior, and engine bay for starters.

It would be nice but I don't see anyone selling that for $7500. The 15k that Ghost suggested is closer to what it's worth.    If you want an actual survivor that has everything correct and looks good you would have to double even that to buy it.

Just for the record, I wasn't suggesting the car is only worth 7500.00. But maybe if someone offered him that amount and told him that the low offer was because areas of the car had indeed been molested, maybe just maybe the seller would open his eyes to just how ridiculous it was that he misrepresented the car as being unmolested in the ad.

I keep an eye on local ads for cars, engines, parts, etc., and it never ceases to amaze me how many people misrepresent an item when trying to sell. Where is it written that it's okay to lie through your teeth when trying to sell something?
   
This is on a smaller scale but a while back on our local Club site a member advertised a pair of 2nd Gen. Hemi aluminum valve covers as being NEW and for sale. Surely a club member wouldn't lie to fellow members would he? I drove over to check them out and found a pair of valve covers that had discoloration on them from years of use, plus they both had obvious stress cracks. I looked at them, then looked at him and said new? Really? He just stood there with a stupid look on his face.  I was really annoyed that he had wasted my time.
I was taught to call a spade a spade! And I have little if any regard for anyone that tries to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. The '70 Charger being discussed here is not "unmolested".  Shame on the seller for suggesting it was. I'd consider the 15 second engine paint job alone molestation.

[Tilar]

Oh sorry, I thought that was what you felt the car was worth.  

My thought on it was if someone came to me and offered me less than 1/2 of what I was asking for it, they probably wouldn't be able to buy it at any price due to my telling them to go to hell.    Maybe a 12k offer and explain what is wrong with it because he is misrepresenting the car,  but I still think 15 would be a fair price.

[Plum Crazy 68]

When selling a house or car these euphemistic terms are always overused.  Here's my take on what these terms mean.

"A euphemism is a generally innocuous word or expression used in place of one that may be found offensive or suggest something unpleasant.[1] Some euphemisms are intended to amuse, while others use bland, inoffensive, and often misleading terms for things the user wishes to dissimulate or downplay."

unmolested, original= "I never got any action in the back seat"
barn find= "There were animals living in it at one time, usually mice",
survivor= "I never had the money to rip out that 383 and put in the blown 440 or HEMI",
rust free= "Once I replaced the whole floor pan in my garage I couldn't poke a screw driver through it anymore",
easy restored= "All the parts are in those milk crates", and
frame up= "Took it all completely apart"

[Sublime/Sixpack]

Great restoration project= Please won't some poor sucker take this POS bucket of rust off my hands?

[Homerr]

Runs/drives = "brakes don't work"
only quarter sized rust holes behind rear tires = "roof, rear window, trunk floor, rear frame rails, trunk extensions, and quarter panels are totally shot"
collectible = "I saw a Hemi Charger on BJ go for $100k, my rusty XP car is worth half that"
all bodywork done = "we covered our sins in gray primer"
complete before disassembled = "I can't find all the parts"
just pulled out of a field/barn/garage = "I'm a flipper!"

[A383Wing]

"Ran when parked" ---- maybe 20 years ago, engine is froze now

[ws23rt]

If I was a buyer and looking at the car the first question I would ask is what does the term "unmolested original" mean to them.

A seller can be anyone from a friend of the owner to a scammer.  When getting past the possible lies right off --a bottom line can be found quickly.

All too often a seller is hoping to hook the uninformed. A sad commentary on human nature.

[BIGBLCK11]

Any update OP?  Did you get to look at it or find out more on the phone?

[moparfan53]

...Didn't the strippo base Charger come with a bench seat?

You are correct. The base model (XH) had bench seat only, buckets were not available. The Charger arrow in the grille (no 500 emblem), lack of taillight trim, and doesn't appear to have upper door pads certainly suggest it was/is a base model. In that case I certainly see someone replacing the bench seat with buckets. If would be interesting to see if the rear seat trim matches the front. If you go look at it, let us know.

[moparfan53]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

I noticed that also so checked my parts book. Standard rad for 318 without air was 19". Other rads depending on engines/options were 22" and 26". So it is not your eyes!

[A383Wing]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

I noticed that also so checked my parts book. Standard rad for 318 without air was 19". Other rads depending on engines/options were 22" and 26". So it is not your eyes!

just out of curiosity...what was standard rad for slant 6 car?

[Polygon]

I gave the guy a call, he seemed legit.
No fender tag, and he only drove it about 250 miles.  No A/C, and I need that for Florida. I know it can be put in. Sounds pretty straight, with very minor rust. Wish I was closer, he already turned down some offers.

[moparfan53]

is it my eyes, or does that radiator look small? I mean smaller than normal?

I noticed that also so checked my parts book. Standard rad for 318 without air was 19". Other rads depending on engines/options were 22" and 26". So it is not your eyes!

just out of curiosity...what was standard rad for slant 6 car?

Standard rad for the six was also 19".

[Ghoste]

I gave the guy a call, he seemed legit.
No fender tag, and he only drove it about 250 miles.  No A/C, and I need that for Florida. I know it can be put in. Sounds pretty straight, with very minor rust. Wish I was closer, he already turned down some offers.

Not because I'm interested in the car but did he say what kind of offers?  That is did they seem like close offers or was he getting lowballed or... ?