A few pics of the 2007 Charger Super Bee

[HeavyFuel]

Shouldn't a Super "BEE" have a bumble "BEE" stripe?

ummmmm... yep

Well maybe that's how the "creedMan" figures how the stripe is

Funny though the ones on the dodge ram PICKUP's have it right 

Not all were butt stripes.

http://www.graphic-express.com/images/dodge_sb_1_1.jpg

[The Ghoul]

Shouldn't a Super "BEE" have a bumble "BEE" stripe?

ummmmm... yep

Well maybe that's how the "creedMan" figures how the stripe is

Funny though the ones on the dodge ram PICKUP's have it right 

Not all were butt stripes.

http://www.graphic-express.com/images/dodge_sb_1_1.jpg

beat me to the puch

[RD]

I kinda liked that little cruch
half car
half truck
all fun

how about a dodge daytona rampcharger    

[Crazy Larry]

The Mustang doesn't look aggressive at all, the Vette is just blech since they did away with the flip up headlights, and the Viper.... meh.  The performance numbers also speak for themselves.

#1 - The new Mustang looks more agressive than the new Charger - refer to the Steve McQueen 2005 Mustang commercial if you do not think so. The new Mustang's agressive forward leaning nose is what Dodge had to try to copy in the last minute on their Charger to try to squeeze some retro life out of its already pathetic design.

#2 - by your rationale that the new Vette is "just blech" without the flip up headlights - can we also say that the new Charger is "just blech" without the hideaway headlights that became popular with the Charger name? I think so. Dodge was so lazy that they left out, hood mounted turn signals, racing style flip top gas cap, two-doors, and the hideaway headlights, that they were just looking to make money off the name.

[RD]

that 4 door thing is actually selling... damn

Why damn?  It's making Dodge money.  If Dodge wasn't making money, I highly doubt they would build the Challenger.  Besides, I rather like it.  Looks more aggressive than any new car out there.  The Mustang doesn't look aggressive at all, the Vette is just blech since they did away with the flip up headlights, and the Viper.... meh.  The performance numbers also speak for themselves.

dude, you are beginning to remind me of silver, seriously.  You are almost antithetical to 99% of the boardmembers on this forum.  You do realize that don't you?

[greenpigs]

that 4 door thing is actually selling... damn

Why damn?  It's making Dodge money.  If Dodge wasn't making money, I highly doubt they would build the Challenger.  Besides, I rather like it.  Looks more aggressive than any new car out there.  The Mustang doesn't look aggressive at all, the Vette is just blech since they did away with the flip up headlights, and the Viper.... meh.  The performance numbers also speak for themselves.

I still don't get it Ghost, they are building the Challenger because they KNOW people(Americans) want a 2 door and it was too late to re-body the Charger.

The Mustang is a wonderfull design

If the Vettes only good feature was flip up headlights it was poop all along.

The Viper I kinda agree

Performance is just your way to justify the new Charger, its a fugly box , it doesn't matter how quick it is.  

[bull]

I think it looks awesome. Not many - any? - other new cars come out of the factory looking as aggressive. Look beyond the badging and there's one hell of a car there.

This looks aggressive too:

[TheGhost]

The Mustang doesn't look aggressive at all, the Vette is just blech since they did away with the flip up headlights, and the Viper.... meh.  The performance numbers also speak for themselves.

#1 - The new Mustang looks more agressive than the new Charger - refer to the Steve McQueen 2005 Mustang commercial if you do not think so. The new Mustang's agressive forward leaning nose is what Dodge had to try to copy in the last minute on their Charger to try to squeeze some retro life out of its already pathetic design

I liked the Mustang when it first came out.  Today, I saw 3 of them sitting side by side on a dealers lot, and I thought to myself, they don't really look that good anymore.  The grill+headlight combo looks more sad/depressed than mean or aggressive.  The new Mustang reminds me of a girls car, not a balls to the wall performance machine.

Dodge copied the Mustangs nose at the last minute?  Really?  Wow, and here I thought they had that nose since the start of the 06's design.... Silly me for thinking rationally.

#2 - by your rationale that the new Vette is "just blech" without the flip up headlights - can we also say that the new Charger is "just blech" without the hideaway headlights that became popular with the Charger name? I think so. Dodge was so lazy that they left out, hood mounted turn signals, racing style flip top gas cap, two-doors, and the hideaway headlights, that they were just looking to make money off the name.

The problem is, you can't have hidden headlights like the Charger had anymore.  You can have the flip ups that Vettes, and many other cars, had, but you just don't see any car with kind of hidden headlights that Chargers, Cougars, GTOs, etc had back in the 60s.

Before you go off about how the Charger should have had such and such feature, because it was a trademark, there really is no such features on the Chargers.  In 71, hidden headlights became an OPTION, not standard, and 3rd gens look better without them.    First gens didn't have the flip up racing gas cap.  Neither did the 3rd gens.  Very few new cars have hood mounted turn signals.  And, the 5th gens had 3 doors.

However, with the Vettes, since 63, EVERY Corvette had the flip headlights.  Getting rid of them, got rid of one of the Vette's trademarks.  What's next, changing the taillights to a horizontal bar, instead of 4 round lenses?

Basically, what you want is a new 2nd gen Charger.  And I've got to ask you, WHY?  Why want a new 2nd gen look alike Charger, when you can go out, and buy a REAL 2nd gen for the same price?  Same thing with the new Challenger.  I think it looks nice, but, for the money, I'd rather have a 70-74 Challenger, get a car that looks almost exactly the same, but has alot more charactor.

There is such a thing as too retro.  Like the Mustang, or new Challenger.  New cars should have new designs, with a few cues from the past, instead of being designed entirely around the past.

dude, you are beginning to remind me of silver, seriously.

Ouch. 

You are almost antithetical to 99% of the boardmembers on this forum. You do realize that don't you

Yes, I do.  But I also believe what I'm saying, and I'm not about to back down.  The car is a good car, for what it is.  I was never crazy about the name, never will be, but that doesn't stop me from liking the car, as it does to so many of you here.

[The Ghoul]

The new Mustang reminds me of a girls car, not a balls to the wall performance machine.

so they are keeping true to the mustangs haratige?
nothing like the good ol secratary special.

[The Ghoul]

the new vetts are hot. flip ups or not.
They are tankiing because they were overpriced to begin with. i think with the charger being the next 'hot' car and the vett price going up the people that are buying them for status symboles are going for the charger.
sails are in no way indicators of quality or proformance... just look at the f-150
people seem to forget that.
I will say this about the vette. They have spent so much time killing any product that they make that will threaten the vette sails that It has gotten a bit soft. 

[Ghoste]

Well I agree that the Vette is expensive and that it is a status symbol but you are going to have an awfully hard time convincing me that prospective Vette owners will be turning to a four door family car from Dodge as an affordable alternative. 
As much as that thing is no Charger, it's even less a surrogate Corvette and it wouldn't matter how fast it was. 

[RD]

dude, you are beginning to remind me of silver, seriously.

Ouch. 

You are almost antithetical to 99% of the boardmembers on this forum. You do realize that don't you

Yes, I do.  But I also believe what I'm saying, and I'm not about to back down.  The car is a good car, for what it is.  I was never crazy about the name, never will be, but that doesn't stop me from liking the car, as it does to so many of you here.

See that is exactly the point I was trying to make all along.  You do not understand why we do not like the car.  You just assume we do not like it for it being a 4 door and has the name Charger on it.  That may be part of it, but there is so much more, like:

• the disdain we received from Trevor Creed and DCX in general when it came to the release of the chagnum
• the disrespect of our vehicles when DCX and Herr Creed became condescending to the owners and the Chargers of yore
• the disillusioned DCX who stated that they did not want to cash in on a heritage issue, but now are all about heritage

You just do not get it.  You have no emotional ties to a Charger and what it represented.  You are disassociated to the aura and mystique of the Dodge Charger and what it truly represents.  You are out of touch with the true feelings of many Charger owners.  You fail to realize the "slap" in the face that DCX gave the 66-74 Charger owners, not by the development and production of the new chagnum, but by their remarks following its release.

It all falls down to loyalty and honor.  I know it sounds chivalrous and outdated, but those two concepts still matter to some people today.  In this society of fast food and fast everything else to keep up with impatient, need it now, selfish people, some core traditional values still are a mainstay.

I wouldnt come to your house and slap your mom in the face and expect you to still like me would I? Well, DCX slapped us and our cars really good, so should we just shrug of their decadent behavior and say "hey that is a nice chagnum?"  There is bad blood here because of the disrespect given to the "real" Charger owners, not because the car was produced.

[The Ghoul]

Well I agree that the Vette is expensive and that it is a status symbol but you are going to have an awfully hard time convincing me that prospective Vette owners will be turning to a four door family car from Dodge as an affordable alternative. 
As much as that thing is no Charger, it's even less a surrogate Corvette and it wouldn't matter how fast it was. 

why else do you think the pt cruser sold..
after all its just a repackaged neon..
what that has to do with any thing i dont know
im done
need another beer

[The Ghoul]

Well, DCX slapped us and our cars really good,

I agree
what they promiced us

what we got
VVVVVVVVVV

[Silver R/T]

bumble wanna-be I guess they didnt learn much when their first ones do not sell well. Nice car to buy for your mom's 50th year wedding anniversary though.

[TheGhost]

Actually, RD, I felt outraged at Trevor Creed's statements, as well.  If you recall, when the Charger first came out, I hated the car, for those reasons you just stated, plus the fact that it had 4 doors.

However, I took some time, and thought about it.  I realized that Trevor Creed is an idiot, and it was a waste of time to let his comments bother me, or affect me in any way.  So, I stopped, and looked at this objectivly.  Why should I hate a car, because the designer is an arrogant dumbass?  Doesn't make sense to me.  So, I stopped hating the car, and took a look at it.  I liked what I saw, except for the name.  Yes, the heads at DCX are out of touch with us. Yes, they are arrogant pricks when it comes to performance cars.  No, they probably don't know a Charger from any other car on the road.  BUT, they can make a pretty nice car.  The phenominal success of the 300 proves that.  The performance numbers of all 3 cars on the LX platform proves that.  And, the fact that DCX is making money proves that.


And, Silver?  The cars are exceeding sales expectations.

[The Ghoul]

see for me it was never the number of doors or what the name badge sez that killed that car for me. I hat the looks of the 300 and all they did was use the cookie cutter that gm has been pimping for there car lines and applied it to the 300 style.
its like they just slaped diffrent head lights, and rear fenders on a 300 (to me at least)
and yet I dont mind the magnum... maby I just love wagons... or am used to bying things that say magnum on them 

[Silver R/T]

Can you prove that theyre "exceeding sales expectations"? Only if they expected to sell a few nationwide, I take your word for it 300's on the other hand dont stay on the lot for long. They really missed the point with sticking emblems on family sedan

[Crazy Larry]

Actually, RD, I felt outraged at Trevor Creed's statements, as well.  If you recall, when the Charger first came out, I hated the car, for those reasons you just stated, plus the fact that it had 4 doors.

However, I took some time, and thought about it.  I realized that Trevor Creed is an idiot, and it was a waste of time to let his comments bother me, or affect me in any way.  So, I stopped, and looked at this objectivly.  Why should I hate a car, because the designer is an arrogant dumbass?  Doesn't make sense to me.  So, I stopped hating the car, and took a look at it.  I liked what I saw, except for the name.  Yes, the heads at DCX are out of touch with us. Yes, they are arrogant pricks when it comes to performance cars.  No, they probably don't know a Charger from any other car on the road.  BUT, they can make a pretty nice car.  The phenominal success of the 300 proves that.  The performance numbers of all 3 cars on the LX platform proves that.  And, the fact that DCX is making money proves that.


And, Silver?  The cars are exceeding sales expectations.

As a previous poster said - you aren't understanding the concept of loyalty.
Honestly, if they made a Charger in a rockin' Charger bodystyle - but the aerodynamics made the car inefficient and off a bit on the gas milelage - I'd still buy one because I (like many others here and nationwide) are Charger and Dodge loyalists.
But when you have Dodge turn their backs on those who hold the name "Charger" sacred, that loyalty is no longer warrented.

It is Ford who catered to their classic Mustang owners and lovers, that came out with the four headlight agressive grille first. 2005 they hit the streets. You claim that Dodge had the concept first? How so, it took Dodge forever to come-up with a release date for the Charger.

I always wondered why Dodge never had a new "Charger" concept in road shows before production. They had the one from '99 that EVERYONE loved tour for years, but then they went right from re-design, to production.

I even think Dodge knew what the reaction would be so they got the vehicle out in its butt-ugly new body under the radar.

It was Popular Hot Rodding magazine that said it best in the headline:
"The '06 Dodge Charger R/T might look like a Kitchen Appliance, but It's Got the Heart of a Street Fighter."


Performance ain't everything, especially when it comes to Chargers.

[TheGhost]

They had the one from '99 that EVERYONE loved tour for years, but then they went right from re-design, to production.

Not everyone, but change the grill to something considerably less ugly, and change the engine from that weird natural gas engine, and put a V-8 in it, then I'd like it.


Sure the Mustang came out in late 04.  But, the 06 Charger was already designed then.  It had to be, since it was sent to dealers in mid 05.  So, I fail to see how they copied Ford, which, considering how Ford is in deep financial trouble right now, probably isn't that smart of an idea anyway.


The concept of loyalty to Dodge went out the window when Daimler took over.  The Dodge we knew was officially gone, replaced by a half American, half German hybrid.  No point in bitching about how a bunch of luxury car making Germans don't show any loyalty to American Mopar enthusiasts.  Looking back, it should have been obvious that they WEREN'T going to show alot of loyalty to people like us.


Silver, I'll get back to you on that tommorow.  Right now, I've got to be getting some sleep.

[Crazy Larry]

Sure the Mustang came out in late 04.  But, the 06 Charger was already designed then.  It had to be, since it was sent to dealers in mid 05.  So, I fail to see how they copied Ford, which, considering how Ford is in deep financial trouble right now, probably isn't that smart of an idea anyway.

You're wrong on this one - I have the April 2004 Issue of Popular Hotrodding next to me, and it features the new computer re-designs by Dodge for the Charger. The article is "Charging Ahead" by Johnny Hunkins and the computer images are by Chris Norton. They are promoting what  - at the time- would be the new "Charger".
Here are two of the pics from the article....





Notice how there is a backward leaning grille....and this is in April of 2004. The "Charger" front grille design was altered once the new Mustang appeared (Mid to Late 2004) on Muscle car magazines across the globe hailing a popular "resurgance in retro styling" that said to hell with front end aerodynamics.

Ford started it - Dodge tried to pick up the ball but fumbled it to the Germans.

[TheGhost]

Sure the Mustang came out in late 04.  But, the 06 Charger was already designed then.  It had to be, since it was sent to dealers in mid 05.  So, I fail to see how they copied Ford, which, considering how Ford is in deep financial trouble right now, probably isn't that smart of an idea anyway.

You're wrong on this one

Actually, I'm not.  Those weren't DCX released computer drawings.  Those were made by a couple guys who thought that a new Charger should look like.

[The Ghoul]

- I'd still buy one because I (like many others here and nationwide) are Charger and Dodge loyalists.

so youd encourage them to make a bad car?
that will get the compay to start designing in the right direction.
we tell manufacturese what we want by what we buy, not how loyal to there product we are. The only thing you are proving by that type of logic is giving them an ferther inciation of 'just what can we get away with'.
If you want to do that why dont you just buy an 86 charger?
its the same thing except when they introduced this body style it was a sporty upgrade from the boat it used to be.
IMO the shelby was the only one worth its weight in scrap metal.

[volk68]

Why does Daimler insist on swiping aspects from every other car BUT the Charger to slap on this abomination?  The "new" Super Bee package has a modified hood scoop from a 73 RR???  How does that translate into a Super Bee?  Not only that, but the best they have been able to muster for a rear stripe is half a Super Bee stripe...which actually makes it more of a hockey stripe from a 'Cuda...in fact, the car overall is more reminiscent of an E body to me...right down to the blacked out tail panel on this supposed new Super Bee.  What's next, an AAR stripe running down the full length of the car???

Actually paying attention to the Charger heritage would have been far more desirable than stealing from everything they thought was ever cool from the 60's and 70's...especially since not one of those thefts has produced anything remotely desirable about this POS   

[plum500]

Frankencharger.