MCACN Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals: Do I want to see muscle cars, or Vettes

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I am so torn... But the cars are GORGEOUS!!!

www.mcacn.com

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I'll see if I can post some pics of the Chargers, as there are MANY!!!! 

[myk]

Not a 'Vette person myself, so the choice would be easy for me.  As for the Chargers, that would be a treat; I don't think I've ever seen more than two Chargers together at any one time.  There was the one time when a dealer parked their SRT8 Charger by my '69 at a car show for their display, but...that didn't count...

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I love the Corvettes - AND the Chargers!!!

There will be dozens upon dozens of 2nd and 3rd Gen Chargers at this show. The best of the best I cannot sleep!!!

[Ghoste]

Hopefully some 1st gens too?

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Hopefully some 1st gens too?

Was at the show from 8:45 AM until 8 PM. I am beat! Did not see any 1st Gen Chargers. saw probably a 1/2 doz 2nd gens, a few 3rd gens, and a couple wing cars.  

As much as my back hurts from standing on concrete, I'll be back in the AM.

[Fred]

Not a 'Vette person myself, so the choice would be easy for me.  As for the Chargers, that would be a treat; I don't think I've ever seen more than two Chargers together at any one time.  There was the one time when a dealer parked their SRT8 Charger by my '69 at a car show for their display, but...that didn't count...

Don't you go to car shows myk?

[Fred]

I love the Corvettes -

The mrs. is also very keen on them.

[JB400]

Vettes are overrated in my book.  They're nice cars, but when cheaper cars can garner the same performance, the appeal doesn't catch me.

[Fred]

Vettes are overrated in my book.  They're nice cars, but when cheaper cars can garner the same performance, the appeal doesn't catch me.

But it's more than just performance. She has loved the look of the car right from it's infancy to present day. A corvette is a corvette is a corvette. No nice cheap car can take away from that.

[JB400]

Vettes are overrated in my book.  They're nice cars, but when cheaper cars can garner the same performance, the appeal doesn't catch me.

But it's more than just performance. She has loved the look of the car right from it's infancy to present day. A corvette is a corvette is a corvette. No nice cheap car can take away from that.

I agree that there are some nice Vettes.   I personally like the Mako shark type.

[Ghoste]

Its image and reputation, I get why the Chev guys adore it but I'd sooner have a Viper.

[Aero426]

Aside from the name, other muscle cars outnumber the Vettes at this show by a lot.    Great event.   The group of cars they put together would be nearly impossible to see in one place anywhere else.

[Ghoste]

And with the guy organizing it being a Mopar guy I would think the Chrysler products would all be pretty top shelf examples.

[Fred]

Its image and reputation, I get why the Chev guys adore it but I'd sooner have a Viper.

I thought so to at first but I've changed my mind. I'd have to choose the Vette.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Stayed today until 4 PM. What a long day!

There were two 1st Gen Chargers. A green one and a gold one.

Saw more 2nd gens, incl. a C500  There was also a new Challenger which was made to look like a modern (interpretation) Daytona 

Barn find section was pretty good, but "Barn Find" is overused, when at least one of those cars was pulled from a field, rust and all. Several were tired... The coolest one though, was the Ford wagon w/ 428 and 4 spd w/ buckets 

[Aero426]

Yes, the 428 stick Country Squire was perhaps my favorite car from the Barn Finds.    An incredible sight.

[TUFCAT]

Yes, the 428 stick Country Squire was perhaps my favorite car from the Barn Finds.    An incredible sight.

I AGREE! 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Vettes are overrated in my book.  They're nice cars, but when cheaper cars can garner the same performance....

That's funny!

Thanks for the AM humor, got my day started with a laugh 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Yes, the 428 stick Country Squire was perhaps my favorite car from the Barn Finds.    An incredible sight.

Yeah, wish it were for sale!

[Aero426]

Still in the box it came in.

[Aero426]

So cool.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

I'm happy to hear that so many people liked the show and especially my Barn Finds section.  Below are ALL my pictures from the weekend. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/collections/72157637930024214/



Ryan

[Ghoste]

You organized all of the barn find cars Ryan?  Nice work and a nice selection of photos too.

[nvrbdn]

awesome pic's ryan. thanks.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

You organized all of the barn find cars Ryan?  Nice work and a nice selection of photos too.

I did, I recruited them, organized and pushed almost every damn one around in that whole section!  There is a picture out there somewhere of me lying on the ground after slipping while pushing that 427 Nova.

[Fred]

awesome pic's ryan. thanks.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I'm happy to hear that so many people liked the show and especially my Barn Finds section.  Below are ALL my pictures from the weekend. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/collections/72157637930024214/



Ryan

Great pics!  It was SO COLD outside, was glad this was an indoor show 

[Ghoste]

Cold you say?  Welcome to Chicago huh?

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Got lucky though, the snow held off until Monday... now it is cold, snowy and icey.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

My phone pics are awful, so thanks for the pics! 

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Well enjoy mine then!



Ryan

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Well enjoy mine then!



Ryan

Lady looks serious! Way too serious... 

[Ghoste]

It's a serious car.

[69_500]

Serious car yes, but the bezels aroung the marker lights should be B5 blue on that car not the white to match the stripe. That is if they wanted it to be like it was before the restoration process ever started.

[TUFCAT]

I saw the car in person (several times over the two days at MCACN) and its safe to say this is the most beautiful, and best restored 1969 Charger 500 Hemi on the planet.

I don't know if the bezel color is correct or not.  Having said that, if anyone points out this "flaw" to Ken Mosier be prepared for at least a 30-minute argument.  

It does make sense to me.  When the cars were delivered to Creative (without stripes), the marker lens bezels were body color.  I'm guessing the butchers at Creative weren't overly concerned about trivial things like painting bezels to match a stripe color.  

[69_500]

I have not seen the car since they did this last restoration on it. But the one done it prior was not the greatest. That being said the cars that Ken does do turn out very pleasing to the eyes.

Having not seen it in person I will reserve my opinion on which is the nicest restored Hemi 500 but it would be tough to beat the one done by Kori a few years back.

[Ghoste]

I would have to agree wioth you Danny for the same reasons.  I'd like to see this one in person obviously.

[Fred]

Well enjoy mine then!



Ryan

Lady looks serious! Way too serious... 

She doesn't look to good at all if you ask me.............she wears glasses!   

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Don't feel bad.  Many of them did.....



Ryan

[TUFCAT]

She needs to get those awful stitches removed from her abdomen.

[JB400]

Looks like a scorpion.

[Ghoste]

Or a bad doodle.

[Fred]

Don't feel bad.  Many of them did.....



Ryan

I don't mean that she doesn't look good because she's wearing glasses.
I mean she doesn't look so good (as in being able to see) because she needs to wear glasses.  

[Ghoste]

That's the kind of thing that could work in my favor. 

[Fred]

Looks like a scorpion.

I just blew that pic up and it definitely looks like a scorpion.

[Fred]

That's the kind of thing that could work in my favor. 

What could work in your favour?

[TUFCAT]

mating with a blind scorpion.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

It is not a scorpion.  Just I guess you could say a "doodle".

Here she is so you can't see the tattoo on the Mr. Norm's Kawasaki.



Ryan

[Fred]

mating with a blind scorpion.

I see. 

[Fred]

It is not a scorpion.  Just I guess you could say a "doodle".

Here she is so you can't see the tattoo on the Mr. Norm's Kawasaki.



Ryan

Well in that case maybe I should invest in a pair as well.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

...then you could see the foot tattoo 

[Fred]

...then you could see the foot tattoo 

Boy! you sure are looking them over from top to bottom.   

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

...then you could see the foot tattoo  

Boy! you sure are looking them over from top to bottom.    

Well, she does look much happier on the bike  

[71 SE3834V]

Still in the box it came in.

I wonder how long ago it came out of the barn......I saw it at the 2013 Downriver Cruise (S. of Detroit) last summer.

[71 SE3834V]

I'm happy to hear that so many people liked the show and especially my Barn Finds section.  Below are ALL my pictures from the weekend. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/collections/72157637930024214/



Ryan

I'm guessing you might've seen my daughter. She was in the Barn Find photo shoot for an upcoming Mopar magazine cover.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

I'm happy to hear that so many people liked the show and especially my Barn Finds section.  Below are ALL my pictures from the weekend. 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hemipwr70/collections/72157637930024214/



Ryan

I'm guessing you might've seen my daughter. She was in the Barn Find photo shoot for an upcoming Mopar magazine cover.

HA... I was in that photoshoot!  I was the guy driving the Cuda! 



It was nice to meet your daughter.  I was a complete gentleman around the two girls.

[71 SE3834V]

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I was a complete gentleman around the two girls.
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That's good to hear otherwise I might have to come look you up! Ha Ha. 
Nice show, wish I coulda been there. That woulda been Mopar overload for me.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

I was a complete gentleman around the two girls.
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That's good to hear otherwise I might have to come look you up! Ha Ha. 
Nice show, wish I coulda been there. That woulda been Mopar overload for me.
[/quote]

No worries, I completely understand.  Tell your daughter that you know the fat guy in the fedora that was driving the car.  She'll probably laugh.

You should definitely come, it is a great show.  You can get a good idea of everything from the pictures.

[maxwellwedge]

Serious car yes, but the bezels aroung the marker lights should be B5 blue on that car not the white to match the stripe. That is if they wanted it to be like it was before the restoration process ever started.

Danny, are you saying on this car or on all cars?

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

...the guy in the fedora that was driving the car.  

Had I know that was you, I would've put a face w/ the name, saying hello...  Nice work on the Barn Finds, overall. 

[69_500]

Serious car yes, but the bezels aroung the marker lights should be B5 blue on that car not the white to match the stripe. That is if they wanted it to be like it was before the restoration process ever started.

Danny, are you saying on this car or on all cars?

On this one for sure and to be honest I have not found a single unrestored car with them painted stripe color. But then again I have looked at less than 30 unrestored cars. So not a huge sampling, but not sure how many more unrestored ones there are to look at.

[TUFCAT]

I agree.  Creative Industries didn't have the time to mess around with re-painting bezels. Hell they barely got the 500's and Daytona projects finished.

Their job order might have well said: "just hack the shit out of them as fast as possible. No need to make them pretty".    

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

...the guy in the fedora that was driving the car.  

Had I know that was you, I would've put a face w/ the name, saying hello...  Nice work on the Barn Finds, overall. 

No worries, another time.  It looks like I will be around a while longer.  I'll post a picture next time, so people know who to look for.  Even though more then likely it will scare more people away.

Also on the 500....

Here is the car in question... 1969 Dodge Charger 500, Hemi car with a 4-speed.  White rump stripe, Blue interior car


Here is the other one.  1969 Dodge Charger 500, Hemi car with a 4-speed, White rump stripe, blue interior.  Rusty... but unrestored.


Take it for what it is.

[TUFCAT]

Thanks for posting Ryan. I didn't want to be the "know-it-all" but since you posted I will share this. My Dad had a Charger 500 in the 70's. The bezels were painted body color.

[maxwellwedge]

Here is a brand new one at G-S Dodge still wearing its window sticker...

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Here is a brand new one at G-S Dodge still wearing its window sticker...

Looks like some pretty damning evidence  Maybe CI had different ideas when it came to applying the stripe on C500s vs. R/T stripes protocol 

Then again, I'd rather think more about that foot tattoo 

[maxwellwedge]

Not saying Creative got them all "right" but they were probably supposed to attempt to do it correctly...

[TUFCAT]

Not saying Creative got them all "right" but they were probably supposed to attempt to do it correctly...

Very doubtful. If Chrysler didn't have it specified...it wasn't getting done. Even the "specified" stuff was done half-assed.

Regarding the C500 at MCACN, it was done by Ken Mosier at Finer Details. The car presents as close to perfect as you can get with fantastic quality and workmanship. The question is will Ken accept this as being wrong and correct it?  I certainly won't say anything to him ....'caus aint nobody got time for that!    

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Not saying Creative got them all "right" but they were probably supposed to attempt to do it correctly...

Very doubtful. If Chrysler didn't have it specified...it wasn't getting done. Even the "specified" stuff was done half-assed.

Regarding the C500 at MCACN, it was done by Ken Mosier at Finer Details. The car presents as close to perfect as you can get with fantastic quality and workmanship. The question is will Ken accept this as being wrong and correct it?  I certainly won't be saying anything to him ....'caus aint nobody got time for that!    

I talk with Ken on and off and I'll see him at PRI next week.  I'll mention it to him.  He does take criticism.  When that 68 Hemi Charger a few years ago was found to have I think 3 things wrong, he promptly took it back and had them corrected almost immediately.

On the other hand, I know the owner of the car... he's "unique".  He might have wanted it that way to look better.

Ryan

[69_500]

To be honest here the bezels were intended to match the stripe just like they do on R/T cars. But personally I just think that Creative just figured no one was going to pitch a fit if they were still body color. On these cars they do not stand out that much, but on the Daytona with the larger stripe it is really easy to see which is why on Daytona's you see them stripe color. Oddly enough if you remove them they are mostly mismatched colors underneath.


Ryan do you know if that 500 is still at Ken's or has the owner picked it up! I only live about a twenty minute drive from his shop.

[71 SE3834V]

No worries, I completely understand.  Tell your daughter that you know the fat guy in the fedora that was driving the car.  She'll probably laugh.

You should definitely come, it is a great show.  You can get a good idea of everything from the pictures.

Already told her I was talking to ya. She said she forgot to give you her business card.
Attending the show would have to be a road trip for me. I'm sure a lot of people do it but it's a tough time of year for me.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

It was brought back to them after MCACN.  That's all I know.  That car and I have had a ruff run together.  So I don't follow up.  But give them a call, or I can ask when I talk to him this weekend.

That's cool.  No worries, I doubt she would have known who I was and the shoot was very quick.  And it would be a bit of a drive, but it is worth it.  And every year there is a 90% turn over on cars!

Ryan

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

And every year there is a 90% turn over on cars!

Ryan

...and that's why the show is so much better than when it was just the Chevy / Corvette Nationals at McCormick. Bob Ashton has done a great job managing the show, that's for sure!

[Ghoste]

That's the kind of thing that could work in my favor. 

What could work in your favour?

Her needing glasses.  As for mating with a scorpion, well Tuffy next time I'm over I'll have to show you the icon I use in my cellphone for my ex.  Think of the cartoon sequence the film version of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" where teh wife morphs into another creature.