debate on FB...

[Cooter]

Wondering if you guys would feel the same way.
We (CCC Christine Car Club) I feel in hindsight made a faithful error in the beginning on this one around 2002.
There was a few on every car board that will say they know where a 'real' movie/TV show car is. Its natural to want to be king sh*t on turd mtn., but when one of the four guys who were in Bill and Teds wrecking yard back in 84 claimed to have a real car, we assumed it was legit. I mean, who are we to counter argue right?

Fast forward to 2006. A well known gent that had a terminally ill son who finally did pass, owned what was advertized as 'believed to be built with movie car parts' Christine...
He sells car for HUGE money to a member. We never assumed it was real until it began to be told s s such. I believe in order to satisfy the sick child, but after it was out there for a year or better, its kinda 'seen as truth' now...

No ducumentation other than the word of this guy in yard, was ever shown as proof.
How would you guys treat some douche claiming a real DMCL Charger and NEVER  saw any proof?
This guy attacks any other 'lowely clone owner' if they even mention the word 'real' in their cars description even if it has been 'screen used ' in other movies...he is charging folks to see it...

[cdr]

hey  COOTER,if there are no facts,documentation,PROOF!!!  then its not real,word of mouth means nothing  :Twocents:i have learned in life even if i am right,i dont always have to prove it,an argument with this guy is futile ,all its going to do is raise YOUR blood pressure & he aint worth it, state your case about it & then let it go,,because you know your right  & his car is a fraud. 

[myk]

I wouldn't "treat" him at all; I would just ignore him like any other fool who is unfortunate enough to have a bad attitude on top of it all...

[Ghoste]

I'd be calling for proof.

[RallyeMike]

'believed to be built with movie car parts' 

He's crowing because maybe some real movie car parts were thrown on another 58 Fury?

Even it were proven, why would anyone even care? 

[Cooter]

I know on any other board, you put your junk out there as real you will get called on it .
I haven't posted my 'counter proof' from Richard Kobrits in an email that stated they bought 24 cars and 17 were runable.
The rest were props. He sates that the ONLY two surviving cars were the MTV raffle car and the BJ car...
NEITHER of these cats cars VINs are on his list, and he was the producer of Christine.

Dude goes so far as to speak in the 3rd person like 'she's' talking.  (Excuse me while I hurl).., not to mention the charging for its 'autograph'(tire tread reprint)...

[Cooter]

'believed to be built with movie car parts' 

He's crowing because maybe some real movie car parts were thrown on another 58 Fury?

Even it were proven, why would anyone even care? 

Well, there is a clone being built as we speak that has the actual 'show me' scene engine in it.
I guess folks would care enough the same way they see a bogus Hemi Daytona here for sale...

[TUFCAT]

Most people on the internet are descent folks...its the other ten million assholes we have to worry about!  

[Lord Warlock]

What happened to the 68 charger that was in christine?  the best friends car who drove him to school in it?  or was it trashed in the movie?

As for the original topic, if there is no documentation to prove it, it isn't real.  At least not to me.  And clone cars or tribute cars don't measure up in my mind.  No matter how good they are.  I do understand how many tribute GL's there are here, and not badmouthing them, but sorry to say I was against DH when it was on TV, and ever since its meant less.  Probably because i had bought mine three months before DH came out and got tired of folks wanting to jump things, found out chargers don't jump things very well from personal experience.

[Cooter]

I have nothing against clones...I DO have a problem with someone perpetrating a lie...
Especially when these cars are VERY limited on fan base. I feel I'm correct on this as this reason is why I don't try and make my clones into 'real' cars by lying...

As for the Camaro and Charger, they both are MIA..

[hatersaurusrex]

... but when one of the four guys who were in Bill and Teds wrecking yard back in 84 claimed to have a real car, we assumed it was legit...

Please tell me it was called 'Bill and Ted's EXCELLENT Wrecking Yard'

[TUFCAT]

That's funny! It would be like "dude, where's my car!"

[C5X DAYTONA]

The wrecking yard was actually called Bill and Ed's in Fontana CA.    It was a father and son yard.   They did have quite a few of the Christine cars.     Aaron Kahlenberg took some awesome photos of the place with the cars way back.    What happened to all cars and parts I don't know but it is possible that one could of been rebuilt.  The fire car didn't look too bad from the photo.  There could literally be 10,000 cars out there now with parts on them from the Christine cars.

 
   

[Ghoste]

Not really worth paying someone to see one then is it?

[Dino]

People can claim all they want.  Show me proof or shut up, it's that simple.  This is the same deal as the guy who claims he has the Bullitt camera car.  It may very well be true, but without evidence it's all academic.

In these cases of 'the importance of a car' I find that life is way too short to spend too much time on it. 

Cars need to be driven and enjoyed, not bickered over because it may have been in some movie or show.  The 'pedigree' of these cars is what kills the hobby for me, and more and more I am simply enjoying my own car and getting out of this 'hobby'.  No shows, no cruises, no bs.  Just let me enjoy my time with my car on this dump of a rock we call Earth until it is my time to check out. 

The guy that gets my car after I'm gone can do whatever the hell he wants with it and claim all he wants so let me say it now, it's a mutt, don't get too excited.   

[Ghoste]

And in the case of the Bullitt car, all he has to do is say "COULD BE", not "is" and it would all be fine.

[Dino]

And in the case of the Bullitt car, all he has to do is say "COULD BE", not "is" and it would all be fine.

Precisely

[Mike DC]

 
Yes, but "could be" doesn't bring the same paycheck at the auction.

[Ghoste]

Ain`t that the truth.  The auction houses are every bit as guilty too the way they`ll hype something like that without researching.

[Lord Warlock]

BJ auctions require documentation before they'll sell it that way.  At least from what i've seen from those that run them.  But that isn't the case with all i'm sure.

[Ghoste]

It isn`t I can assure you.

[Brock Lee]

Just my opinion, but this should have been nipped in the bud long ago, before it ever sold. Sure, a nice guy with a sick kid had it..but these questions should still have been asked. Just because a douche owns it now doesn't mean it should be addressed differently. It is still the same car with the same story.

[Cooter]

I fear we made a mistake in trying not to kill the trrminally ill kids dream. Nobody wanted to be the Ahole though...

[Ghoste]

And there is some irony in that.

[bull]

Does the guy even have a terminally ill kid? Assuming his kid is terminal does that make it ok for dad to act like a jerk? The first thing internet blowhards seem to do is create a sympathetic, scrutiny-proof wall around themselves while they make outlandish claims or try scamming people. It's happened here on plenty of occasions. I can't ship your parts because I've been deployed to Afghanistan, or I can't refund your money because my wife had a stroke, or I can't return the NOS grill I was going to reproduce because my business partner scammed me out of my life savings, or you guys should pay for my restoration because my buddy died in a car crash, or I can't go to work because I'm depressed about losing my girlfriend, etc.

Even if the claims are true does that excuse the behavior? Not in my opinion. Somehow the rest of the people in the world are able to be honest and honor their commitments while dealing with the crap life often deals out. Why are certain people exempt from doing what's right because they whine about their problems publicly?

[charge69]

What he said   (bull)   !!!!     

[Cooter]

Think you mighta got something lost in translation Bull.
The FIRST owner (Coach) had the ill child and he has passed. Now its time to show this current douche owner that the lie is coming to an end..
We (CCC) in the beginning didn't wanna crush the kids spirits by showing his pride and joy to be a fake and that's where I fear we made the mistake. .
Current owner has however requested 'donations' for the restoration of said car...which i think is bogus.

[draftingmonkey]

Without documentation, word of mouth means nothing.  On the other and I do have a Van Gogh drying on an easel in my man cave if someone is interested in buying it  .

[Cooter]

I'm not to popular on FB with the sheeple of these two guys. All I'm asking for is to see the proof, yet none offer. If the cars are legit, I'll be the first to put catsup and mustard on my words...seems the one selling off his never ending supply of parts from the yard, sold some 1960 Dodge trim as 'real' movie stuff...hmmmm......

[F8-4life]

Not that this has anything to do with this thread, but I wonder what 58 fury guys think of Christine guys.

[Ghoste]

I would think they're great with it if anything but good question.  Cooter?

[Cooter]

As I've explained here in DOH threads here where folks get the inevidable neg. Comments, there the same thing happens just a different make, model, and color. If anything, it got worse than here, as there were a few in that world who thought they were 'kings' and wouldn't allow any thoughts other than thiers reign....

Same as any star car would be treated if there was a 'Bullitt', 'Vanishing Point', or 'DMCL'  real cars to have survived.

[Ghoste]

That surprises me a little.

[dyslexic teddybear]

Never been into the "movie/tv" cars all that much, so it's maybe easier to think this way.....

When I see a GL......I see an orange Charger with a bit of add on stuff and some graphics. Nothing special, beyond that it is a Charger and that's special enough. It's still a Mopar, a Charger, and that's good enough for me. Same for a Christine. Still a Mopar, an old Mopar.....thus cool. If the color and/or equipment make the car special for the owners.....great.

But it does NOT make it superior to anyone else's car. Nor does someone's "knowledge" of that car make them superior to anyone else.

Period.

I lost a lot of interest in the "one of one/matching numbers/ built at Tuesday at 1:38 PM" type of restoration......where 98% of the car has been replaced, and rare options were added to increase the value..... for much the same reasons.

I love Mopars. I hate the arrogance that some owners show.

JMO.......this site shows very little of that......thus a great place to hang out.

[Monday morning rant over]

[Ghoste]

You nailed it.  A lot of what was perceived by some as me "hating" a certain car was really about not agreeing with some opinions.  Its all good though now I think.

[Cooter]

Well, with the "Christine" croud, you have the "Oh sh*t, Another red and white '57 Plymouth that's been converted to a '58....Why don't people paint them the original colors?" Croud too.

Thing that bugs me is anywhere else, this cat with the "real" Movie car is making huge bank on it. That pisses me off. I don't know How many times I coulda done the same thing with ANY of my cars and prolly gotten away with it, but sooner or later, Idda had to have come with some sort of proof.
in fact, I'd expect someone to call me on it.

[Ghoste]

Where is he showing it for the big MOney Cooter?  He isn't doing it at larger shows like Carlisle is he?

[TUFCAT]

Does the guy even have a terminally ill kid? Assuming his kid is terminal does that make it ok for dad to act like a jerk? The first thing internet blowhards seem to do is create a sympathetic, scrutiny-proof wall around themselves while they make outlandish claims or try scamming people. It's happened here on plenty of occasions. I can't ship your parts because I've been deployed to Afghanistan, or I can't refund your money because my wife had a stroke, or I can't return the NOS grill I was going to reproduce because my business partner scammed me out of my life savings, or you guys should pay for my restoration because my buddy died in a car crash, or I can't go to work because I'm depressed about losing my girlfriend, etc.

Even if the claims are true does that excuse the behavior? Not in my opinion. Somehow the rest of the people in the world are able to be honest and honor their commitments while dealing with the crap life often deals out. Why are certain people exempt from doing what's right because they whine about their problems publicly?

Once again, Bull - you've hit the nail on the head.  

[Ghoste]

Only left out the occasional, I'm just a kid and really intersted in cars so if you could sell me a running restored 69 Charger RT for loike 2500 it would be so awesome. 

[Old Moparz]

I have nothing against clones...I DO have a problem with someone perpetrating a lie...
Especially when these cars are VERY limited on fan base. I feel I'm correct on this as this reason is why I don't try and make my clones into 'real' cars by lying...

As for the Camaro and Charger, they both are MIA..

If they are MIA then that means if I sell my '68 I'm going to advertise that there is a good chance it was in the movie & ask for more money.   


As far as the guy trying to pass off his car as the movie car & making money from it, yes, he's a d**k. The people who do this are the same ones who stand behind that, "let the buyer beware" policy of selling. The easiest way to solve this problem is for people to stop buying into things for stupid money. They let their emotions dictate what they do & in most cases get screwed.

[Cooter]

Where is he showing it for the big MOney Cooter?  He isn't doing it at larger shows like Carlisle is he?

Twice. Hotel paid, $1500.00 enclosed transport paid, all fees paid, all food free (catered), plus, this past year with the celebs, it was a pay as you take pictures with it as it sat behind a curtain. That was a running joke that still makes me laugh.
This ain't counting the shows this tool tried to snag away from under me claiming the show would rather have a real" movie car..
This past Sept. I finally got to meet Malcolm Denare ( Moochie), and my good friends Joey C.'s close friend, Chuck Zito.
This was for charity for the victims of 911. This tool tried to call the stars and get them to do a showthe same weekend offering to pay them.....
Yeah, he makes a living off a lie imo......