Tesla problems - UPDATED - Recall ? Gov. Investigation opened

[odcics2]

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2013/11/nhtsa-may-open-investigation-into-tesla-fires/#more-67259


http://www.autonews.com/article/20131107/OEM11/131109859/tesla-reports-third-fire-involving-model-s#axzz2k4JsbKpB

[twodko]

I'm sure Tesla is hoping this will be a "short" lived problem.    Oh gawd damn I'm funny!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Here's the driver..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

[odcics2]

 

Premium, optional, reclining bucket seats are available...

[Silver R/T]

Sounds like Tesla isn't such a great car afterall, might as well drive a model T
http://www.kxly.com/news/money/Latest-Tesla-fire-caused-by-running-over-a-metal-object/-/116108/22878248/-/ubl3n4z/-/index.html

[myk]

Aha!  My next door neighbor, who is a 'tech for Tesla left on an "emergency" trip to the east coast; I'm guessing that's what it's all about because he said he couldn't elaborate on the trip.  When he gets back I'll have to pry him for 'info...

[bull]

Between this and the $40,000 battery packs going dead things are looking bad for Tesla. But then how many are out there being driven now compared to five years ago? Either way it doesn't really matter how many burn to the ground because the government can prop them up with tons of money it doesn't have. It's a "green" product so logic plays no part in the business plan.

[Ghoste]

Yep. around here they are using tax dollars to install chraging stations where they can get tax subsidized electricity and promoting the program with a Tesla.  Oh well, the greens are happy slightly less unhappy than normal.

[myk]

Even though their products are beyond my reach I like their vehicles; I hope they get past this...

[Silver R/T]

Owner must be nuts "After fire, Tesla driver says he'd buy another"
http://www.kxly.com/news/money/After-fire-Tesla-driver-says-he-d-buy-another/-/116108/22903052/-/aqrb8q/-/index.html
I think I know who these kind of people voted for...

[Silver R/T]

This is the future of Tesla LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k

[odcics2]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,106018.0.html

[myk]

Meh.  Car companies have been building cars that can catch on fire for decades. 

Right Ford?

[Brock Lee]

Never heard Tennessee being referred to as "east coast" before...

[cudaken]

Last night Top Gear had a show about electric cars and they road tested a Tesla. I was pretty impressed with the car. I think they said the range was around 225 miles. Thing hauls butt as well!

I don't for see them running over them with tanks in the near future on Road Kill.

Cuda Ken

[myk]

It's a very impressive car/technology; what they've accomplished is certainly incredible and worthy of respect, even if you aren't into their 'tech which I am not.  A weakness has been revealed in their otherwise stellar machine-I say "big deal;" Tesla will redesign and adapt and then their car will be that much better afterwards.  

I challenge any automaker to show they haven't had teething problems such as this as they were coming up through the years.  I would also challenge other automakers to revolutionize automobile technology like Tesla has.  Being able to tell your car to "play Miley Cyrus-Wrecking Ball" in your Ford Sync entertainment system isn't good enough and doesn't quite measure up to what Tesla has accomplished, which is to show the world that we don't need oil to burn rubber...

[6spd68]

Have talked to a couple Model-S owners, and all have praised the vehicle.  One guy said he'd owned Bently's in the past that didn't compare 

Personally I'm pro Tesla.  Whatever helps bring down fossil fuel consumption is a good thing IMO.  Gives the possibility of lower fuel costs, and more available for our cars    And yes I know how many other things crude is used for...

[myk]

Have talked to a couple Model-S owners, and all have praised the vehicle.  One guy said he'd owned Bently's in the past that didn't compare 

Personally I'm pro Tesla.  Whatever helps bring down fossil fuel consumption is a good thing IMO.  Gives the possibility of lower fuel costs, and more available for our cars    And yes I know how many other things crude is used for...

I think the advent and implementation of 'elec-tech in mainstream America is a wonderful idea and needs to be available as a choice RIGHT NOW.  If someone wants to run an electric car, then fine; if someone like me wants to continue to run a gas car, that should be possible as well.  Ultimately the country'd be better off, but I know we're obsessed with gasoline so that won't happen, at least not in our life times.

My next door neighbor, a 'tech for Tesla, drives a different Tesla home every week.  He's more radical in his thinking, in that he feels e-cars should become the standard on the roads, but is well aware that Tesla still has shortcomings.  He's shown me on the model S that there are panel/fitment problems, and other small "issues" that certainly don't allow the car to compete with a 'Merc, Bimmer and certainly not a Bentley, but again their still developing their cars; what's available is remarkable...

[6spd68]

Have talked to a couple Model-S owners, and all have praised the vehicle.  One guy said he'd owned Bently's in the past that didn't compare 

Personally I'm pro Tesla.  Whatever helps bring down fossil fuel consumption is a good thing IMO.  Gives the possibility of lower fuel costs, and more available for our cars    And yes I know how many other things crude is used for...

I think the advent and implementation of 'elec-tech in mainstream America is a wonderful idea and needs to be available as a choice RIGHT NOW.  If someone wants to run an electric car, then fine; if someone like me wants to continue to run a gas car, that should be possible as well.  Ultimately the country'd be better off, but I know we're obsessed with gasoline so that won't happen, at least not in our life times.

My next door neighbor, a 'tech for Tesla, drives a different Tesla home every week.  He's more radical in his thinking, in that he feels e-cars should become the standard on the roads, but is well aware that Tesla still has shortcomings.  He's shown me on the model S that there are panel/fitment problems, and other small "issues" that certainly don't allow the car to compete with a 'Merc, Bimmer and certainly not a Bentley, but again their still developing their cars; what's available is remarkable...

Indeed, I thought the guys claims were a little far out, but they're still great machines none the less.

On the other hand, I couldn't agree with you more sir.

[Ghoste]

I'm probably missing some things but I don't really see where the Tesla is some fantastic new technoligical innovation.  The only change I see in it from the electric cars of a hundred years ago is different styling, some creature comforts and a better storage battery. 

[myk]

I'm probably missing some things but I don't really see where the Tesla is some fantastic new technoligical innovation.  The only change I see in it from the electric cars of a hundred years ago is different styling, some creature comforts and a better storage battery. 

That's just it-the car, the company is completely capable of reminding the world that the dependence on fossil fuel for transportation is an anachronism and that change is possible; possibly essential for our future.  E-cars and hybrids are always seen as devices that only the quirky or the hyper-environmentalist would care to own, but with the Tesla that isn't so; how could anyone who loves speed and power on wheels not at least respect the Tesla? 

But, as I said before the world is obsessed with oil, especially when it comes to fueling our machines; the global embrace of Tesla-like 'tech won't ever happen, at least not in our lifetime and probably our children and their children as well...

[odcics2]

So, where do we bury all the spent radioactive rods to make the electricity to keep all those electric cars charged up?   

Just askin'...   Energy isn't "free"!    I remember 40 years ago when they said we had 20 years left of fossil fuel. now it's up to 500 years, due to new finds and better ways to extract it.   

A fuel oil spill cleans up easier than a reactor melt down.  Did you know that the reactors at Fukishima are STILL not capped off and they STILL don't know how to fix it?   And they wonder why Oarfish in the Pacific are turning up dead...   


Interesting discussion!   

[odcics2]

So, who's working on transporters??   That company will bring transportation to a new level!   

[Ghoste]

Lithium mines aren't exactly environmental hallmarks of society either.  Not to mention disposing of the spent batteries.

[cudaken]

Every advances so far has had it draw backs. But electricity is a renewable power.

So, where do we bury all the spent radioactive rods to make the electricity to keep all those electric cars charged up?   

Just askin'...   Energy isn't "free"!    I remember 40 years ago when they said we had 20 years left of fossil fuel. now it's up to 500 years, due to new finds and better ways to extract it.   

A fuel oil spill cleans up easier than a reactor melt down.  Did you know that the reactors at Fukishima are STILL not capped off and they STILL don't know how to fix it?   And they wonder why Oarfish in the Pacific are turning up dead...   
Interesting discussion!   

With some luck, they will get better with wind and solar power to make electricity. I have a friend that has solar panels on his house and has cut his power usage by 75% and powers his E Car with the panels only. So they are making headway in the solar power field.

I am no tree huger, but I am all so not blind to the fact that technology changes and sometimes for the better. Look at today's cars. In 1968 if we where told that cars would be made that make more HP than our beloved cars with smaller engines and get 32 MPG we would have , then  our asses off!

Far as performances, just imagine your 400 HP Mopar would make that said 400 HP from idle to top speed?  There is no power curve to wait for! Just touch the throttle and you are gone! Whats not to love? 

Cuda Ken   

[odcics2]

When I was paying .19 cents for a gallon of gas, I would have laughed my ass off if you told me it would be around 3 bucks!  And sometimes up to 4 bucks!



I agree with you KC.

[Mike DC]

Just askin'...   Energy isn't "free"!    I remember 40 years ago when they said we had 20 years left of fossil fuel. now it's up to 500 years, due to new finds and better ways to extract it.  

We have 500 years of fossil fuels?  Maybe if we extract everything regardless of the cost & rate of recovery.  


It's kind of like saying we have a million more old Mopars to build because we can technically restore every car that has not been crushed.  It might work on paper but it's not a practical reality.  

We always "find more" FFs because we become willing to pay more than yesterday for it.  If the public offered to pay $100/gallon for gasoline tomorrow then the oil corps would suddenly "find" a hell of a lot more oil right here in the USA.  Its not because the oil corps were lying before, its because the size of the supply depends on how much they can invest to get it.  Just like the number of "restorable" cars in existence depends on how much the owner will invest in fixing it.

[Ghoste]

However, energy still isn't free and solar and wind are a long way off from becoming viable sources for the same reason.  As the rates rise it becomes "affordable" to install solar panels.  There is a good reason most of these wind farms have been taxpayer subsidized.

[6spd68]

As per the above discussion,

http://www.industrytap.com/thorium-fueled-automobile-engine-needs-refueling-once-a-century/15649

I'm very interested to see how this all pans out as well.

[Ghoste]

An interesting little read.

[6spd68]

An interesting little read.

Indeed, slowly preparing for 'FALLOUT 3' in real life...  Nuclear powered cars, it's a sign!   

Joking aside, it would be nice to see us overcome/curb our dependence on fossil fuel in our lifetime.  We'd do better as a species...

PLUS!  Competition breeds innovation, with new cars based on alternate energy being developed, it may be a nice lil stimulus for our economy

[odcics2]

 UPDATE-

http://www.autonews.com/article/20131119/OEM11/131119884/tesla-model-s-probed-by-u-s-after-three-fires-in-five-weeks#axzz2l6a0mpIY

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2013/11/nhtsa-formally-investigating-tesla-model-s-fires/

[bull]

No doubt the results of a govt. investigation will be that Tesla will soon be receiving palletized shipments of $100 bills in the coming months.

[Ghoste]

If there is any left after Obamacare.

[bull]

If there is any left after Obamacare.

Left? Ha! There hasn't been any "left" since about 1918. We're only $17 trillion in the hole now so what's another $500 million or so?

[Ghoste]

  True.  Just print more.

[bull]

True.  Just print more.

Yeah, each new $100 bill probably costs $120 to make.

[6spd68]

This is not much different then Canadian currency that was introduced over 10 years ago, which has now been replaced by Austrailan style plastic bills.

[odcics2]

Top Sales exec quits...   


http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2013/11/a-musk-meltdown-nhtsa-disputes-tesla-founders-claims/#more-68021



http://www.autonews.com/article/20131121/OEM02/131129945/teslas-top-sales-executive-departs#axzz2lNZFpqnq

[Ghoste]

Every good scandal needs a sacrificial lamb.  I'm sure he'll still get his bonus.

[odcics2]

Every good scandal needs a sacrificial lamb.  I'm sure he'll still get his bonus.

and then some...