Questions about my VIN tag.

[Ghoste]

Typos happen.

[ws23rt]

I like this stuff.  It adds to the fun and adventure.

After I got home with my J code 69 coronet (in 1980) I noticed the calif. title had a V where the J should be in the vin. Since I was about to register the car to me it needed to match the car.  
What are the odds that the eng. code was a typo. Not to mention that it got past me at the time of sale.

A witness and document by a local sheriff did the trick to fix the typo.

[ECS]

Typos happen.

Typos certainly happen but someone intentionally tried to age the reproduction VIN Decal and pass it off as being original.  That was calculated and intentional.  Why would anyone take a repo VIN Decal and try to pass it off as being the original if the entire scenario was a simple mistake resulting from a typo? 

[familymopar]

Typos happen.

Typos certainly happen but someone intentionally tried to age the reproduction VIN Decal and pass it off as being original.  That was calculated and intentional.  Why would anyone take a repo VIN Decal and try to pass it off as being the original if the entire scenario was a simple mistake resulting from a typo? 

I think that post was directed at 70 Charger RT's story about his own car.

[Ghoste]

It was.  Definitely not trying to defend the original subject of this as I fall squarely in the camp of non-believers.

[ECS]

I think that post was directed at 70 Charger RT's story about his own car.

Sorry for the confusion.  I didn't connect the correlation because the metal VIN plate would not be stamped incorrectly due to a "typo" situation.  Unlike the VIN Decals (which were created via a "typed" process) the metal VIN plates were manufactured in a different fashion.

[472 R/T SE]

Any of the old timers remember Al Merkel (sp?) of Spokane, Wa. area?  He had a '69 Charger R/T with the dash VIN having a number or letter off, can't remember which.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Saw the car at Carlisle, interesting story, and it's certainly underway to restoration. Neat car, whatever the story.

[StoneCold]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152511150998930&set=a.10151621166448930.1073741825.58843378929&type=1&theater

[resq302]

Looks like they are still trying to say the car originally came with a 6 pack when it quite possibly was a typo.  I'd sooner believe that the car would have come with air conditioning if the rad opening was the 26" and the firewall was the stamped a/c set up.  Definitely easier to change it to a 6 pack set up with just taking the intake off and bolting up the new six pack set up and modifying the air cleaner housing than trying to remove and add an a/c heater box, drilling out the holes in the firewall, etc.

[familymopar]

I am confident that the new owner is aware of the claims of ECS and our thread here (the video talks about the debate online).  To see that poster featuring the door sticker as "evidence" irks me a bit.  He has every right to claim the car is whatever he wishes and make his best case, but, believing that ECS made that sticker, it just feels dirty to me now.

[resq302]

Where is the video on the car or was it at the display?  I unfortunately could not see the car first hand due to trying to rush through what I needed to and then get home due to a family emergency.

[familymopar]

Where is the video on the car or was it at the display?  I unfortunately could not see the car first hand due to trying to rush through what I needed to and then get home due to a family emergency.

No it's on the new owner's facebook page.  I posted it a while back but it is buried in this thread.  here is the link again:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152131663768930&set=vb.58843378929&type=2&theater

[Ghoste]

Sad and wrong. 

[resq302]

I think the new owner has a LOT of mis-information in that video.  He says that the original door VIN sticker is still there while Dave (ECS) has proof that he made a reproduction for them.  It is obvious that someone had aged that decal.  The owner also says that the coin designates the K frame as a six pack frame.  To my knowledge, all that the coin designates is the date code for the car.  Maybe I am wrong on that as the coins started in late 69 or early 70s.  I agree that the car is a factory A/C car as the firewall clearly shows that.  The whole thing about it being a factory 6 pack is where the suspicion lies.  Everything else you could have gotten with a 440 single 4 bbl car.  To add to the suspicion is that the original engine is not there.  That would also clear up the mess with the VIN no the engine.  Again, its long gone so there is no weight with that.

Someone trying to pass this off as an original factory car without solid proof is just deceitful and wrong!  Then again, he could get Galen to certify the car and all will be good with the world!   

[Ghoste]

I sometimes wish I had the disposable income of an Arab oil sheik and I would buy all of these cars with dubious at best claims and stuff them in a vault to await actual evidence instead of relying on the house of straws they all erect.

[familymopar]

I sometimes wish I had the disposable income of an Arab oil sheik and I would buy all of these cars with dubious at best claims and stuff them in a vault to await actual evidence instead of relying on the house of straws they all erect.

I agree, although this would not be one of the cars to go into the vault.  If you believe ECS, as I do, and I think the evidence here is pretty strong, then it is a fact that the sticker is a reproduction, it was artificially aged, passed off as original, and given the blessing of at least one expert.  This kills everything else about the claims on the car to me.  There was simply no benign reason to do it.

If I had the disposable income of an Arab oil sheik, I would buy this car, remove all possible fake documentation, and just make it an awesome 70.  That is the best it can ever be for me.

[Ghoste]

I agree, the claim he is making is just plain false.

[HANDM]

Some folks (new owner or owners) simply choose to believe what they want and live in a fantasy world.... sad really.

And why would anyone believe the sellers word and an article over all of the evidence posted here by the finest mopar owners on the net is beyond explanation

[Homerr]

This car should be restored as a 440-4bbl, ditch the door VIN tag and have ECS make a proper one, and be known as the 'typo' car.  Instead it will have bad blood associated with it as long as they keep trying to make it something it's not.

[Davtona]

I was hoping when this car was displayed at Carlisle that the real story on this car would come out. Guess not!! However it is a very nice U code 440 4 barrel car in my opinion that has a typo in the VIN. Great color and option package no doubt. The one of one thing has been disproven however and the car will always have a stigma attached to it now. The reproduction door tag seals the deal for me. Nobody purposely ages a tag and then presents it as the original for any reason other than to deceive people. I believe ECS 100% that he reproduced this door tag. Its not any suprise to me that this door tag fooled the supposed expert. Sad that ECS's work which is reproduced good enough to fool these so called experts is used in the wrong way. This type of stuff is not good for the hobby in general. 

[69CoronetRT]

All the 'documentation' used for this car is easily reproduced.

[familymopar]

All the 'documentation' used for this car is easily reproduced.

I agree.  The door sticker is a reproduction as far as I am concerned, end of story.  This fender tag means nothing to me either.  It is strange to me that the (presumably) typo on the vin tag is consistent with the stamping on the radiator support and the trunk lip, all showing a V code, and the car has an AC firewall.  It is all a moot point as once a fraud is shown it's done for me, nonetheless I still find this odd.

[Davtona]

It is strange to me that the (presumably) typo on the vin tag is consistent with the stamping on the radiator support and the trunk lip, all showing a V code,

I'm not following you here. Are you saying the V is stamped in the radiator support and trunk lip number?

[resq302]

I was hoping when this car was displayed at Carlisle that the real story on this car would come out. Guess not!! However it is a very nice U code 440 4 barrel car in my opinion that has a typo in the VIN. Great color and option package no doubt. The one of one thing has been disproven however and the car will always have a stigma attached to it now. The reproduction door tag seals the deal for me. Nobody purposely ages a tag and then presents it as the original for any reason other than to deceive people. I believe ECS 100% that he reproduced this door tag. Its not any suprise to me that this door tag fooled the supposed expert. Sad that ECS's work which is reproduced good enough to fool these so called experts is used in the wrong way. This type of stuff is not good for the hobby in general. 

I agree.  This car would be a really nice 70 Charger if the truth came out about this car. Obviously, the new owner wants his "claim to fame" as having this ultra rare 1 of 1 car that Chrysler supposedly couldn't have made yet somehow did.  Once something fraudulent is exposed like this, there is a strong underlying about what else might have been fudged on this car.  Like I've posted before, I see more than one inconsistent thing with this car and the fact that the VIN decal is a KNOWN fake that was aged just puts more weight on the fact that if the other stuff smells fishy, then it probably is.