Questions about my VIN tag.

[6bblgt]

I just saw this and have not read the entire thread however the fender tag picture at start is missing the inspection punch out.

...which is not uncommon on a 70 STL tag.

Actually I'd say the opposite. The 70 Registry has tons of fender tags from 70 Chargers....all have the punch out.

I guess you need a few more!

[TUFCAT]

No problem familymopar. This whole thing has been like a good mystery! It's hard to tell what's been more interesting the car or the stories behind it.  

[ECS]

Just to be clear, ECS, I was not questioning....

I didn't think anyone here was questioning me.  Please think nothing of the sort!    I decided to come to my office tonight and make the decal.  It's finished!  I will post a picture of the "new" one next to the picture of the one in MCG.  I will also post a screen shot of my Computer showing the VIN and date it was made.  I guess if the new owner is restoring the car, I've already have made the "new" replacement to replace the "old" replacement!  

[ECS]

The proof is right in front of everyone's eyes!  Notice the angle of the "bend" in the Fender Tag and the angle of the "rust" line on the Fender.  They are not the same angle.  Notice the right screw hole on the Fender Tag.  It mushrooms OUT instead of being pushed IN due to pressure from screw head being tightened.  There doesn't appear to be evidence that the left hole ever had an indented screw circle around the hole perimeter.   Same for the right hole.  Look at the area on the Fender where the Tag was screwed onto and the Fender Tag itself.  Where is that "blackish" filth on the outlying perimeter (where the tag use to be) on the Fender of the Car?  Where are the signs of any small "rust pits" in the Fender Tag?  Why are the letters of the Fender Tag "flat" on the high spots of the letters but other "originals" exhibit a consistent "roundness" throughout the entire letter stamping?

[6bblgt]

The first I heard of this car was ~5 years ago.  Here is a picture of the backside of the fender tag (flipped for orientation) & a comparison to a R/T tag with a VIN 101 cars after it.

Doesn't look like the tag was bent at that time??  

[ECS]

Here is a picture of the backside of the fender tag.....

There doesn't appear to be a "rust" pattern on the back side that matches the rust pattern on the fender.  There would DEFINITELY be rust pits on the back side of the Fender Tag due to the severity of rust that is shown on the Fender.  It's also peculiar that there is not a remnant of green paint anywhere to be found in a single crevice of the Tag.  Who were the "experts" that "verified" these VIN related items?

[drdodge340]

Ok so the original poster is all quiet....My  .02 is a factory mis-stamp dash vin ( v for u ) and the rest of vins ( door and fender tag) are repo to represent the dash vin?

this had me until ECS chimed in now, I'm a non believer 

[Dodge Don]

The first I heard of this car was ~5 years ago.  Here is a picture of the backside of the fender tag (flipped for orientation) & a comparison to a R/T tag with a VIN 101 cars after it.

Doesn't look like the tag was bent at that time??  

I scanned through fender tags and will modify my statement to the vast majority have the inspection punch. Interesting that the reverse photo you posted appears to show what looks like the lower case "t" inspection punch but the tag photos originally posted do not show this.

For 70 St. Louis there is no correlation between VIN/build dates and the VON.....the VINs do go sequentially by build date but the VON are random. That said, something like this would likely not have been handled along the line as usual and I would have expected a "special order" VON....these begin with K....and the special order VONs do run sequentially against build dates. For a 204 car I would expect a VON of K00380 - 400 (ish)....something in that ballpark.

As noted by others, really need the broadcast sheet to validate. I'd expect the sheet would have the 04 - Special Order designation on the bottom.

[StoneCold]

Could be just the picture, but that last digit of the VIN which appears to be a 5 looks way off from the other 5's on the tag.

[TUFCAT]

Ok so the original poster is all quiet....My   .02 is a factory mis-stamp dash vin ( v for u ) and the rest of vins ( door and fender tag) are repo to represent the dash vin?

this had me until ECS chimed in now, I'm a non believer  

For the record, we've pretty much determined the original poster (Eric) sold the car - he may not have a dog in the hunt.  It might be the new owner to clarify the new information if he chooses to.  The original owner said he was a Corvette collector and didn't know much about the significance of this Charger when he bought it. He came off nicely in the thread so I don't think he would have a problem coming back on here.... He just might not be interested anymore.  

[TUFCAT]

Could be just the picture, but that last digit of the VIN which appears to be a 5 looks way off from the other 5's on the tag.

It might be that picture.  Here's a scan from MCG. The quality isn't so great but the "5" looks normal size compared to the rest.

[Aero426]

My  .02 is a factory mis-stamp dash vin ( v for u ) and the rest of vins ( door and fender tag) are repo to represent the dash vin?

this had me until ECS chimed in now, I'm a non believer 

And for the other reasons pointed out about the tag irregularities and decals shenanigans, you'd really need the build sheet to verify.    Caveat emptor.

[Y1CHARGER]

Its the right tag for sure. Didn't know that about the A/C hmmm very interesting. Well I guess I found a rare one. How could someone order an option like that? is it like a Copo Camaro?  Eric

I've been reading all along and just thought I'd make a comment,
I think it is really strange that Eric was surprised to hear that it was an A/C car when the A/C vents and controls are looking right back at you when looking into the car not to mention all the other components on the fire wall. 
   Also as shown NOW in the video, why did it take SO LONG for an A/C compressor to appear in the trunk?? 
It was asked in reply#52 "do the parts that came with the car include an A/C compressor, associated dual-belt pulleys, condenser, evaporator, etc?    It would be interesting to see if the A/C compressor in-situ."

Who doesn't look in the trunk before they buy a car??? or at least go through the stuff in it after you get it home? 

Also a post from Eric reply #96 states "Thanks for the new info I am happy to hear 2 exist now. The drive train is gone so I cant tell about any A/C brackets.  Your vin is silver/bare too? What is the build date? I must be dreaming finding a car this rare. WOW.  Eric"
   Sounds like there wasn't an A/C compressor but NOW there is??? 

[TUFCAT]

Y1 makes a very good point.... I've never seen an a/c compressor like that used by Chrysler corp... it could be from a 1956 Packard for all we know!  Randy (the guy on the video) said "it was factory" but like a buddy told me, "he didn't say who's factory"!  

[ECS]

And for the other reasons pointed out about the tag irregularities and decals shenanigans........

Here is a photo of the "new" decal I made last night from my original (archived) artwork and a picture of my screen that shows the date when it was made.

[cdr]

 

[familymopar]

Its the right tag for sure. Didn't know that about the A/C hmmm very interesting. Well I guess I found a rare one. How could someone order an option like that? is it like a Copo Camaro?  Eric

I've been reading all along and just thought I'd make a comment,
I think it is really strange that Eric was surprised to hear that it was an A/C car when the A/C vents and controls are looking right back at you when looking into the car not to mention all the other components on the fire wall. 
   Also as shown NOW in the video, why did it take SO LONG for an A/C compressor to appear in the trunk?? 
It was asked in reply#52 "do the parts that came with the car include an A/C compressor, associated dual-belt pulleys, condenser, evaporator, etc?    It would be interesting to see if the A/C compressor in-situ."

Who doesn't look in the trunk before they buy a car??? or at least go through the stuff in it after you get it home? 

Also a post from Eric reply #96 states "Thanks for the new info I am happy to hear 2 exist now. The drive train is gone so I cant tell about any A/C brackets.  Your vin is silver/bare too? What is the build date? I must be dreaming finding a car this rare. WOW.  Eric"
   Sounds like there wasn't an A/C compressor but NOW there is??? 

I don't think Eric was surprised to find it was an A/C car, as you said I think that was obvious.  I think his surprise was to find out that A/C should not have been available with the 440-6

I do agree that it is very strange that the compressor and a bracket appears in the video.  Eric may not be a mopar guy but he is clearly well versed in cars and components.  That thing should have jumped out and screamed at him.

Y1 makes a very good point. I've never seen an a/c compressor like that used by Chrysler corp... it could be from a 1956 Packard for all we know!  Randy (the guy on the video) said "it was factory" but like a buddy told me, "he didn't say who's factory"!   

It does not look like a chrysler compressor to me either.  I have no doubt that compressor was built in a factory since I can say confidently that I do not believe it was whittled together by elves in the middle of the night!  You have some wise buddies!

[69CoronetRT]

As noted by others, really need the broadcast sheet to validate. I'd expect the sheet would have the 04 - Special Order designation on the bottom.

Yes but what would be more interesting is the engine assembly code for a 'non existent' 6bbl A/C car.

[TUFCAT]

I don't think op Eric knew about that a/c compressor in Randy's video.... MCG wrote: "when Dave Wise inspected the car this compressor assembly was not present".

MCG also wrote on pg.80: "Randy was quick to show us a very crude looking air conditioning compressor found on GM, Ford, and aftermarket a/c systems".

My guess is that compressor/bracket assembly was from a 70's Dodge 440 Motorhome. The upfitters installed their own a/c compressors as part of the conversion. It wouldn't be very hard to find a used York a/c compressor (with brackets) once used on a 440 powered RV in a junkyard or ebay.    

I watched video posted my familymopar to check out the orientation of those brackets.  Based on my low tech detective work, it appears the compressor is not mounted straight up. I can't tell how its mounted exactly but it could be leaning towards the drivers side, at a 45 degree angle or more....and might possibly clear the six pack air cleaner??    

I'm certainly NOT saying Chrysler would have ever done this...let me be clear!  This is strictly an aftermarket set-up.

[StoneCold]

Here..lets get the vin out there in text for Google to pick up so any interested parties can join along..    
Edited: to put vin XS29V0G186075 inside sentence for google to pick up.

[familymopar]

Here..lets get the vin out there in text for Google to pick up so any interested parties can join along..   
XS29V0G186075

I thought of that yesterday and forgot to do it, good idea!  I have googled and researched the vin on every car I have ever bought so it is likely to bring someone in. 

[tan top]

wonder why this thread went quite , !! he sold the car eh
lot of interesting  info being shared in this thread 
   
I wonder  ( un less its already been said ) if  the emissions label is missing  & door vin sticker was missing ,  because  it  showed a U code motor 
does that look like a 5/16"  fuel line in the FB video    wernt they changed to a 3/8 in the 70 model year  for six pack cars ??

[ECS]

MCG wrote: "when Dave Wise inspected the car......

That's a point that has been completely overlooked.  Everyone wants to criticize people involved with perpetrating "falsehoods" on a car but what about the "experts" who escalating the problem by putting on their stamp of approval on the vehicle?  The "experts" that certified the car as being "original" made the ordeal even worse.  When these so called "experts" cannot recognize contradictions and problems with these VIN issues, they have no business documenting cars.  Instead of protecting the Industry against fraud, they add to its impropriety.

[polywideblock]

could it be that fraudulent sellers have lifted their game to the point that they are fooling the experts         

if ecs hadn't spoken up about making door vin who would have known   

[maxwellwedge]

MCG wrote: "when Dave Wise inspected the car......

That's a point that has been completely overlooked.  Everyone wants to criticize people involved with perpetrating "falsehoods" on a car but what about the "experts" who escalating the problem by putting on their stamp of approval on the vehicle?  The "experts" that certified the car as being "original" made the ordeal even worse.  When these so called "experts" cannot recognize contradictions and problems with these VIN issues, they have no business documenting cars.  Instead of protecting the Industry against fraud, they add to its impropriety.

I completely agree.