Red Daytona on ebay

[Y1CHARGER]

I've been looking for a 70 Hemi Charger for a while but been thinking of maybe going after a wing car instead.  Does this car belong to a member on here?  Says it was hit in the door, anybody know the extent of the damage? Thanks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-DAYTONA-NASCAR-1969-dodge-charger-daytona-real-wingcar-rare-1-of-503-auto-red-blk-440-/141095988950?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20d9f9eed6&item=141095988950&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

[A383Wing]

yea..isn't that Travis's car? He's a member here.....

[hemi68charger]

Good luck Trav...

[69_500]

Travis would ya let someone trade up?

[69charger2002]

 
Yep it is my car. I am only selling it because the wife is on me to build a house on our beach property in Gulfport MS. I was about to start on it when i came across the Daytona this summer and used my funds for it. After spending a week there last week for Cruising the Coast(in my travel trailer), we decided we are ready for a house. There is no better car that I've ever owned, it was a dream come true to even have a chance at one of these cars. But the timing just isn't right to keep it. As far as the OP asking about the door damage.. It was t boned pretty good in 1970, and had a parts car section welded in during the 98-00 restoration. It was done amazingly, and I have an album full of pics showing the work done. It drives straight and true, and even up on a rack you would never know it was wrecked. I put the reserve VERY low I am almost positive it will sell if there is a serious buyer wanting a Daytona at a more fair price than recent market value.

[hemi68charger]

Looks like you'll be getting calls and contacts from all those that contacted me... sounds like they may have better luck with you.

[Speedfreak]

This is the same car!  I remember it selling for 85K earlier this year.  I had a feeling there would be issues with the frame from the hit it took way back when and the way they repaired it.  They never made that info available to the public and passed it off that way.  Guess the buyer found out the hard way and is now trying to do the same.  Looks like we will keep seeing this on and off ebay, being passed on from each buyer when they find out there are issues.  Real shame, maybe one of them will get it repaired right this time.  Looks like the seller is making out so far, this is why I will never buy a car on ebay.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,102202.msg1207025.html#msg1207025

[nascarxx29]

I remember that car and the ebay auction
David Rogers AL XX29L9B358403

http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/may_june_2006_newsletter.pdf

[Y1CHARGER]

  Well I'm sure glad to get some feedback on this.  Thank You.  After seeing the pictures and info from the previous thread and superbird club news letter, I'm a bit surprised that the ad on ebay reads as it does.
I Quote "but i can tell you it is now a 2 owner car, and has 1 accident. This happened in 1970 when the car was 8 months old. It was hit in the passenger door. It was repaired decently in 1970" 
  In my opinion this is a bit misleading when a direct quote from the original owner from the above superbird newsletter reads "Hit on the right side, driven across the road and T-boned in the left side into another car, totaled."   Also if repaired decently means I quote "25 coat hangers and 5 gallons of bondo" then I'd hate to see a hack job.
  It's too bad that there is so much dishonesty on ebay but it's even more disappointing to find out that the seller is a member on here.......

[charger Downunder]

I like the car if its fixed properly right now who cares. 69charger2002  maybe put a few resto pics up in the add of the car being fixed properly in 1997.

[BS27R1B]

I have talked to Travis about this Daytona and he was upfront about the accident and repairs. He did not attempt to hide anything or cover it up as a previous poster has suggested.

I have been looking at purchasing a Daytona and have considered almost a dozen in the past two months. Like many old muscle cars most of the cars have some form of past abuse, neglect and damage. As the original owner of this Daytona eluded to, this car was rode hard and put up wet, as it was originally intended.

It really makes me smile to hear so called enthusiasts these days insist they want an original, pristine, numbers matching muscle car. These guys obviously never spent any time on the street back in the day. These cars were built to be used and abused and most were. We never had thoughts that these cars would be 'collected' 40 years down the road.

I live in the rust belt and most of these cars were little more than a pile a few years after they were new.

[hemi68charger]

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As the original owner of this Daytona eluded to, this car was rode hard and put up wet, as it was originally intended.

That's what happened to my Daytona, there were occassions when the original owner used the car for what it was intended for, haul-ass!!! 

But unfortunately, sometimes those motors go Kabooom !!!  C'est la vie..............

Trav is a straight up sort of guy.............

[held1823]

  Well I'm sure glad to get some feedback on this.  Thank You.  After seeing the pictures and info from the previous thread and superbird club news letter, I'm a bit surprised that the ad on ebay reads as it does.
I Quote "but i can tell you it is now a 2 owner car, and has 1 accident. This happened in 1970 when the car was 8 months old. It was hit in the passenger door. It was repaired decently in 1970" 
  In my opinion this is a bit misleading when a direct quote from the original owner from the above superbird newsletter reads "Hit on the right side, driven across the road and T-boned in the left side into another car, totaled."   Also if repaired decently means I quote "25 coat hangers and 5 gallons of bondo" then I'd hate to see a hack job.
  It's too bad that there is so much dishonesty on ebay but it's even more disappointing to find out that the seller is a member on here.......

did you read the newsletter article in its entirety? you mention the original backyard repair in the '70s, but not the correct one done when the car was restored. the newsletter says t-boned on the left side, but that is likely a misprint, compared to the photos showing the right side structure being replaced.

[Charger-Bodie]

If the repairs were do.e correctly it shouldnt even matter. If detroit can build em a good bodyman should be able to rebuild it. Imo. 

[Y1CHARGER]

 Well I'm sure glad to get some feedback on this.  Thank You.  After seeing the pictures and info from the previous thread and superbird club news letter, I'm a bit surprised that the ad on ebay reads as it does.
I Quote "but i can tell you it is now a 2 owner car, and has 1 accident. This happened in 1970 when the car was 8 months old. It was hit in the passenger door. It was repaired decently in 1970"  
 In my opinion this is a bit misleading when a direct quote from the original owner from the above superbird newsletter reads "Hit on the right side, driven across the road and T-boned in the left side into another car, totaled."   Also if repaired decently means I quote "25 coat hangers and 5 gallons of bondo" then I'd hate to see a hack job.
 It's too bad that there is so much dishonesty on ebay but it's even more disappointing to find out that the seller is a member on here.......

did you read the newsletter article in its entirety? you mention the original backyard repair in the '70s, but not the correct one done when the car was restored. the newsletter says t-boned on the left side, but that is likely a misprint, compared to the photos showing the right side structure being replaced.

Yes, I did Read it , Did You?  Here's the direct quote from it, the above superbird newsletter reads "Hit on the right side, driven across the road and T-boned in the left side into another car, totaled."  
The picture of right side described as "Wow! It's hit pretty hard on the other side too"

[histoy]

I agree with Brian.  He did an amazing job when he built the one he sold to us.

[held1823]

as i said, it's likely a misprint. i see a photo of the car t-boned on the right side, and a driver's side headrest and door panel in their proper location. i also see a relatively intact rocker panel, which might indicate the floor structure was not heavily damaged. that rocker and the side structure were properly replaced during the restoration.

what do you see?

[Y1CHARGER]

The seller of the car says he has many pictures of it, maybe he could post a picture of what the driver side looked like after the "hit in the door" on the passenger side and clear up the mystery.  
My thoughts at this point are that everything being talked about here should be in the ebay ad with pictures if the seller wanted to disclose what the cars been through, not just answer if asked mentality.  I wish him well, I don't consider that a straight up sort of guy.

[69charger2002]

This is the same car!  I remember it selling for 85K earlier this year.  I had a feeling there would be issues with the frame from the hit it took way back when and the way they repaired it.  They never made that info available to the public and passed it off that way.  Guess the buyer found out the hard way and is now trying to do the same.  Looks like we will keep seeing this on and off ebay, being passed on from each buyer when they find out there are issues.  Real shame, maybe one of them will get it repaired right this time.  Looks like the seller is making out so far, this is why I will never buy a car on ebay.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,102202.msg1207025.html#msg1207025

I think you have you're facts incorrect. The buyer(me) was the only buyer this car has ever had besides when it was new. I was aware of the 1970 incident thanks to Nascarxx29 and also looked the car over for 2 hours with another person before i purchased it. I am not selling the car because of this at all. I think some people do not understand what happened to this car. Just to clear up. The owner got t boned in 1970 in the passenger side, it hit hard as you can see in the photo. That photo listed is one of many from the photo album i have of the car. It was repaired shoddily(by todays standards) in 1970 and driven 134000 miles that way until it was taken down in 1998 for an overhaul. At that time the car had a section put in from another charger on that side so it could be repaired correctly. And now it IS REPAIRED CORRECTLY as they did an amazing job. Some of you act like the car was thrown together with bondo last week and not driven down the road since. Have you seen how many Daytonas and Superbirds sat for 40 years in fields and barns and have just recently been fixed and repaired. THOSE cars would scare me more to drive than this one. It had over 130,000 miles put on it AFTER the accident, which occurred when the car only had 8000 miles on it. You can't appease everyone on a forum typing behind their computers, I have been a member here a long time and lots of members here know the kind of STRAIGHT UP guy I am. Y1Charger if you're not interested in this car because of the history, then please don't bid. There are lots of high end cars like Daytonas that are rebodies, wrecks that were repaired, burned in a fire almost beyond recognition and fixed, and even some rustbuckets that had 95-99% of the sheet metal replaced on the car and now are only still a Daytona or Superbird in theory because of their VIN number still being on the dashboard. This car has had a door put on, and a section of original 69 quarter panel/rocker put on to this car in 1998 to repair it correctly. Also here is the pic you requested.

April 1970 driver's side


Also here are 2 pics of the car 90000 miles later in 1978 after the "bondo/coat hanger repair" done in 1970.. Doesn't look too bad to me even then. 20 years later it was completely fixed correctly. What if this owner had not been a pilot and not documented it? No one would know or care 43 years later. Nothing to hide here boys and girls.

[BS27R1B]

 "Hit on the right side, driven across the road and T-boned in the left side into another car, totaled."  

The original owner did not seem to say passenger or driver's side, so the left or right is up to his description and our interpretation. The passenger side is heavily damaged and where it is hit could be described as a T-bone hit.

We do not have any driver side photos to observe that damage. You could suspect it was significant as the impact was described as driving the Daytona across the road. The owner did repair the damage himself and drove the car for many years and miles. A 'proper' repair was done in the 90s. Like most work completed in the 90s on these cars it might be hard to apply today's standards as the bar has been raised many notches.

Every buyer has their own checklist on what they will or will not accept with one of these cars. Very few have no 'hair' of some sort from the past. I am sure the final price will reflect the appropriate discount applied by potential buyers.

[held1823]

the photos would indicate the original owner was describing the car as seen when standing in front of it. the "right side" would be the driver's,and  "left" the passenger side.

a commonplace mix-up, even today.

[69charger2002]

Another pic circa 1984. Still going strong with it's original repair job 14 years earlier, over 100,000 miles later. I, for one, was glad all this was documented. Before carfax and autocheck NO ONE kept records of things such as this. This guy had no plans to ever sell the car, and he never gave a flip about the car's value. It was his baby.

[charger_fan_4ever]

I wouldn't be afraid of this car one bit.

Just the nature of people looking for more for less. Looking for a 100 point car for the price of a clone.

[Speedfreak]

I like the car if its fixed properly right now who cares. 69charger2002  maybe put a few resto pics up in the add of the car being fixed properly in 1997.

I feel this is the perfect solution, put up pictures of the car after being hit and the subsequent repairs showing "how well" it has been repaired according to you.  Let the buyer know exactly what he is getting.  From being on this forum for a short while, this is what the members have always urged sellers that were less than honest of their cars on eBay.  Once the buyer knows exactly what is what, they let then bid what they feel is appropriate, then you will have done what is expected of an honest person, as it stands now the listing is deceptive. 

[A383Wing]

Y1Charger if you're not interested in this car because of the history, then please don't bid.

I agree..sounds like all he wants to do is argue about which side was wrecked and repaired.

Feel free to look somewhere else for a car...I think Troy has one for sale....although with your attitude, I would not personally sell you a car of anykind