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Started by Bobs69, October 06, 2013, 07:49:18 PM

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Bobs69

Hmmm.  So you say the EASIEST way to fix this is to install an adjustable proportioning valve. 

resq302

When I had the proportioning valve out for repair, I had a pig tail in place and when I hit the brakes, the rear lines locked up and started the back end of the charger sliding around on me.  When this valve is installed, it delays the rear brakes from engaging or reduces the pressure going to it which allows the front brakes to engage more than the rears to prevent the rear end from locking up first and sliding around on you.

I also second the fact that In Line is a bunch of tool bags as I sent them back the defective proportioning valve not once but twice!  First time they sent it back to me saying there was no problem.   The valve acted like a one way valve allowing pressure and fluid to go to the back brakes but not back up to the master cylinder when the brake pedal was off.  They claimed there was no problem with it.  When I got an original and installed it, I had no problem.  Seems other people have had major issues with their stuff too.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Musicman

Quote from: Bobs69 on October 15, 2013, 09:48:18 PM
Hmmm.  So you say the EASIEST way to fix this is to install an adjustable proportioning valve. 

No, that's not what I said. What I said was...
QuoteBefore doing anything however, a few pic's of your existing setup would be a great help, at least we could tell if you have the right components installed, and that things are hooked up correctly.
An adjustable proportioning valve would be the solution to the simplest issue. The simplest issue would be that you have everything installed correctly, and that you have eliminated all other possibilities. This would normally be the case, but its always better to check things out before you start throwing money away.

My first question here would be... do you have a metering (hold off) valve installed for your front brake lines. If the metering valve is frozen (it happens occasionally) it will result in the same issue that you have described. The front brakes will hold for torque stands, but they will lag during normal braking. You can tell if the valve is frozen by grabbing that little tit with a pair of pliers and giving it a little pull. It should move roughly 1/16" or slightly less, but it should pull out at any rate. If it doesn't move, then the valve is frozen shut and you are supplying pressure and fluid to your front calipers through a very tiny orifice.

John_Kunkel

Quote from: Musicman on October 15, 2013, 07:21:18 PM
Quote from: John_Kunkel on October 15, 2013, 03:49:50 PM
Hold off valve, prop valve....same same.


No they are not the same thing, they are two completely different things.


Look at the pic in the Inline Tube link and then look at the same item in the FSM, Inline calls it a "hold off valve" and the factory calls the exact same thing a "proportioning valve"....same, same.

This is what happens when vendors and internet denizens use non-Mopar terminology; ditto for calling a "metering valve" a "hold off valve". "Hold off valve" is GM terminology, same as "Positraction"....doesn't belong in a Mopar forum.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Bobs69

Okay Musicman I got the pictures.  Been awhile since I've posted so lets see if this works.  

Now keep in mind, I got the car undercoated within the last few days.
















Bobs69

Come on guys!  Help me out here.

resq302

First couple pictures is of the distribution block.  The last two pics are of the brass T that splits the front to rear line between the two rear wheel cylinders.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto