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fuel tank full, gauge says 3/8 tank

Started by 69dodge383, October 03, 2013, 12:21:33 PM

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69dodge383

Got a full tank. Orig fuel gauge says like 3/8 to 1/2 full. Why the difference?? Is the gauge bad ?

Thanks

Doug
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

Finn

Do you have a reproduction sending unit in the tank?
1968 Dodge Charger 440, EFI, AirRide suspension
1970 Dodge Challenger RT/SE 383 magnum
1963 Plymouth Savoy 225 with a 3 on the tree.
2002 Dodge Ram 5.9L 360
2014 Dodge Dart 2.4L

69dodge383

The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

John_Kunkel


Is there a ground strap between the fuel line and the sender?

Remove the wire from the sender and ground it to the frame, then turn on the ign switch....the gauge should climb to full. If it does the gauge is OK and the problem is in the sender/ground.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Dino

Quote from: 69dodge383 on October 03, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
New tank and sender...

There's your problem then.  The new sending units use a linear resistor while the old one has a non linear one, as does the gauge.  The new unit and the old gauge do not match so you can't get it to read correctly.  You can get fairly close or pick full or empty to be correct but it cannot read correct over the entire sweep.  The best fix so far, courtesy of Charger-Bodie, is to take the sending part off an old one and weld it to the new unit. 

If you're thinking about aftermarket gauges then it's also solved by installing a linear gauge with resistance of 0 - 73 ohm to match the new sending unit.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Finn

^That's where I was going with my question. :cheers:
1968 Dodge Charger 440, EFI, AirRide suspension
1970 Dodge Challenger RT/SE 383 magnum
1963 Plymouth Savoy 225 with a 3 on the tree.
2002 Dodge Ram 5.9L 360
2014 Dodge Dart 2.4L

69dodge383

I will get a new gauge. I don't want to pull my tank apart
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

69rtse4spd


69dodge383

I am not sure, can I just by a gauge from summit that will work with what I have??
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

Dino

Any fuel gauge matching the sending unit will work so you're looking for a 0-73 ohm with 0 being full.  You may not be able to find one exactly like that, some are in the 10 range when full so you still may need to alter the float on the sending unit.  The old gauges were not all that precise though so it may work just fine as is.

To be honest, if you have access to an old sending unit, it's way easier to adapt the unit then to stick an aftermarket gauge in the dash.  If you're mounting the gauge elsewhere then forget what I said.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

69dodge383

I am leaving the orig gauges as is. I will just mount an aftermarket gauge under the dash or something.
I don't mind for it to be off when full. I just don't want to run out of gas!

I will post a couple gauges n a lil while to get some feedback on whatis the best one for me

Thanks

Doug
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

69dodge383

Here is a couple from summit

73 empty 10 full

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/equ-7361

65 empty 10 full

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-301020


So the first one would read correct when empty but not when full.  I guess the gauge would say that it is full when the tank isn't 100% full...

The second one would say it is empty when not totally empty and the same for full. I don't mind being conservative on the empty side.

Does that make sense? Am I thinking correctly on the readouts vs the actual?

Doug
The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

Dino

The fuel gauge system has a margin of error in that the 0 reading can be a bit more and still read correctly, same with the 73 reading.  It can be a bit more or a bit less.  When you move the float on the sender you can see how much play there really is.

The first gauge you linked will likely work just fine, although you may want to look at another brand as I have not heard much good about those.

The second may still work in the ohm extremes BUT look closely and you can see that the hallway mark is not in the middle.  This indicates it is a non linear gauge like the stock one, so that won't work with the linear sender.  You will never get it to read correctly over the range.

Even if the halfway mark on an aftermarket gauge seems centered, be sure that it is linear before you buy it.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

69dodge383

The way I bought it
1969 Dodge Charger SE
383 Magnum
727
3.23 open 8 3/4 - 489
PS/MB

The way it is
1969 Dodge Charger "The Duke"
440HP '72
10.5:1 Mopar Pistons @.030 (446 c.i.)
Edelbrock Performer Heads
Hughes Solid Lifter Cam 278/283 245/250 .597. 613 108
7Qt Oil Pan
Victor Intake
Demon 850 Carb
TTI Headers 2" Primaries
727 Manual Valve Body
9" Dynamic Converter
4.10 Sure Grip 8 3/4 - 489
3" Dual Super 44
Coys 18x9 20x10.5  Cragar 15x8 15x10

Dino

Quote from: 69dodge383 on October 09, 2013, 12:33:54 PM
This auto meter gauge says it is for chrysler vehicles.

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/atm-2642

Must be for Chryslers with non linear fuel gauges like our cars.  I don't know enough about Chrysler to say they are all non linear but that gauge definitely is.  Your sending unit is no longer like that though so linear will be the way to go.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.