69 hemi charger R/T four speed

[duanesterrr]

The monitary value of the "J" in a VIN will vary wildly from person to person.  Some won't pay an extra $100 for the rusty hemi body and some will pay an extra $25,000.  Neither person is right or wrong it is just their mindset on the issue.

To ignore or defame the historical value of the "J" in the VIN is a slap in the face to the entire classic car hobby.  That would be like baseball not keeping stats anymore or horse racing not setting odds. The VIN is important to the hobby and always will be integral to setting the value of these cars.

Simply put, you can look at the rusty car on ebay and say "I wouldn't pay more then 5k for that" but you can't say "That thing aint worth it" when it sells for 30k.  Obviously, it is worth it.

Just my 

[Cooter]

A fool and his money......

[bill440rt]

...are soon parted.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/cto/4025337299.html

[myk]

I'd sooner pay as much for Catherine Bach's shorts from the set...

[StoneCold]

I'd sooner pay as much for Catherine Bach's shorts from the set...

wow......

[myk]

I'd sooner pay as much for Catherine Bach's shorts from the set...

wow......

You're right, how could I forget Jessica Simpson?  Her shorts would be acceptable as well...

[MaximRecoil]

The monitary value of the "J" in a VIN will vary wildly from person to person.  Some won't pay an extra $100 for the rusty hemi body and some will pay an extra $25,000.  Neither person is right or wrong it is just their mindset on the issue.

It isn't really a matter of what one person is willing to pay compared to another person. What someone is willing to pay for something doesn't necessarily reflect what it is personally worth to them. As long as there are people out there who truly believe it is worth e.g. $25,000 extra and are willing to pay that much extra, it is reasonable for anyone to pay a lot extra just so they can flip it to someone who really thinks it is worth an extra e.g. $25,000. 

To ignore or defame the historical value of the "J" in the VIN is a slap in the face to the entire classic car hobby.  That would be like baseball not keeping stats anymore or horse racing not setting odds. The VIN is important to the hobby and always will be integral to setting the value of these cars.

Who is "ignoring or defaming the historical value of the 'J' in the VIN"? What has actually happened is a corruption of "the historical value of the 'J' in the VIN". You see, there isn't intrinsic value in a small piece of sheet metal with a VIN that contains "J". The value is in what that VIN represents, in this case, an original Hemi car. But what if that Hemi VIN no longer represents an original Hemi car? What if the car after being restored is only 1% original Hemi car, and that 1% doesn't even include the very thing which made it so desirable in the first place, i.e., its original Hemi engine? Why then is it still worth so much more than a comparable Hemi clone car, when it is 99% a clone car itself? Note that a clone car could easily contain a small percentage of original Hemi car too; just add a hood or something from an original Hemi car. 

Simply put, you can look at the rusty car on ebay and say "I wouldn't pay more then 5k for that" but you can't say "That thing aint worth it" when it sells for 30k.  Obviously, it is worth it.

This misses this point entirely. See above.

[hemi68charger]

As far as I know, the car's sold...... or, in the final stages of being sold....... Spoke to the potential buyer Sat. If it all pans out, it is going to a very good home.....  I hope so, it deserves to be resurrected....

Cheers

[F8-4life]

Simply put, you can look at the rusty car on ebay and say "I wouldn't pay more then 5k for that" but you can't say "That thing aint worth it" when it sells for 30k.  Obviously, it is worth it.


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Exactly

[1974dodgecharger]

to be honest i have a fender tag with 4 speed, hemi, dan 60, black on black, sunroof...i was told this fender tag is worth 30k alone?

[Homerr]

As far as I know, the car's sold...... or, in the final stages of being sold....... Spoke to the potential buyer Sat. If it all pans out, it is going to a very good home.....  I hope so, it deserves to be resurrected....

Cheers

I hope so too.  This car obviously sparks some debate but it could be on the road in a couple of years.

[66FBCharger]

As far as I know, the car's sold...... or, in the final stages of being sold....... Spoke to the potential buyer Sat. If it all pans out, it is going to a very good home.....  I hope so, it deserves to be resurrected....

Cheers

I agree.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Glad to hear too. The car isn't that bad I mean the springs are not threw the trunk and the rails rotted off.

Typical rust belt sheetmetal work needed like all the other rust belt cars.

[tan top]

As far as I know, the car's sold...... or, in the final stages of being sold....... Spoke to the potential buyer Sat. If it all pans out, it is going to a very good home.....  I hope so, it deserves to be resurrected....

Cheers

thanks for the update Troy 

that's good to hear !  , hope he joins up here & has a resto thread going     

[mpd659]

For everyone that does not believe what a hemi car is worth go try and buy one sometime. Also they are like land, there is only so much to go around and they are not making it any more.

[fy469rtse]

j code car , what happened , did he buy car,  , I thought there was a lot of unique parts only found on a hemi car , k frame , steering box that odd hemi bell housing bolt pattern , heavy duty four speed box , is it a dana rear, wish I had the money , the car I'm doing at the moment was in no better condition then that when I started,
and a lot of the build thread cars on here no better or less work involved.

[1974dodgecharger]

pretty incredible I got an email asking about my hemi vin number and showed it and the guy actually wants to buy it for 15k just for the vin tag alone....he has a body he saids with hemi engine.

[hatersaurusrex]

Sorry, but I do not see the crazy amount of value in such a car.  If more than 1/2 of it survived, sure.  It "was" a great and rare car.  Can it be brought back from the dead, of course.  Cars in much worse shape have been rebuilt by this sites own members.  But, the original hemi motor that makes it so great is gone, the front clip is gone, the remaining metal is 1/2 gone.  It will be a clone of what it once was.  It will never be an original survivor, yet once it is all rebuilt it will sell for 75k.  I would take a clone with all the original metal over that.  The does not mean it is not cool to see at least some of it does actually still exist or that it is not a worth rebuilding.  I just don't see it as the 1 of 207 cars it "once" was.  

At this point it's "One of 207 vin numbers to brag about"

[BIGBLCK11]

Once restored, I am sure it will be a great car.  I said, 'I' don't see the value in it.  I know, OTHERS WILL PAY ridiculous(IMO) amounts for it.  No, I don't have to buy it.  Date coded does not equal original or survivor, the car will be neither.  As others have said, it is all about a little 'J' in the vin.  It will still be worth ALOT of money to many.  The original post was an ebay listing only, not a 'should I buy it' or question/statement of any kind.  So, of course people are going to discuss value on a Charger forum, where else??  .  I have no problem if somebody wants to spend their money on it, they are free to do so.  They should not feel bad about wanting to do so, nor should I for not wanting to.  If everybody agreed on the subject, it wouldn't be much of a discussion.
 
Other than a tan top(no offense), it is a perfect combo, if I were one to stick to the fender tag.  I agree with using nos/original parts and not AMD, to make it closer to original.  But, that does reiterate my point of it not being original and that I could use the same parts and date coded engine to build the SAME car, minus a 'J'.  

I hope 70moparman worked out a deal and got the car of his dreams!  

[maxwellwedge]

The rarer a car is the less hit it takes for not having the original engine.....but having all of the important paperwork etc.

Hemi 'Cuda convertible - say '71.....only a handfull were made so the car is still going to bring stupid money - original engine or not.

Same as a '70 LS6 Convertible....only a few out there

ZL1 Camaro etc.

A 383 RR would take a bigger hit (percentage-wise) than any of the above examples.

So - The rarer the car - the less hit it will take on having the original engine. Again - as long as the paperwork is good.

This is based on my experience over many years....seeing what the big stuff is really bringing. Personally - my first choice is all matching....but hey - the stuff is on 40+ year back-order! It is what it is.