Doug's Headers?

[Charger4404spd]

Has anyone used these?
Likes? Dislikes?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dou-d452/overview/make/dodge/year/1969/model/charger

[myk]

I hear they're supposed to be near-duplicates of the TTi's.  Whether they are or aren't, at that price I'd spend a little more and get the TTi's...

[fy469rtse]

yes they rival the TTi's , not a bad fit at all ,
with torsion bars in and all, had to slide starter in with the headers , but that is nearly always an issue with these cars
got mine for a friends engine 440 alloy heads , advice check the fit ,? heads spark plug angles are always an issue,
I got mine uncoated so I could modify to suit my victors and the ceramic coated them, but then mine were 2" primary's , but my friends were these

[myk]

yes they rival the TTi's , not a bad fit at all ,
with torsion bars in and all, had to slide starter in with the headers , but that is nearly always an issue with these cars
got mine for a friends engine 440 alloy heads , advice check the fit ,? heads spark plug angles are always an issue,
I got mine uncoated so I could modify to suit my victors and the ceramic coated them, but then mine were 2" primary's , but my friends were these

Would a mini-starter allow you to install the headers and the starter, seperate from each other?  On second thought, if the Doug's TRULY rival the TTi's in fit, finish and overall quality I could be persuaded to buy the cheaper Doug's; the coupla' hundred saved would go towards a new pipe system from headers to tips which I'd certainly have to buy...

[WHITE AND RED 69]

I've heard nothing but good things about quality and fit of Doug's Headers. 

In my experience even with a mini starter you will have to do the starter and header at the same time. There is just not enough room to get the starter in with the header in place.

[Charger4404spd]

Thanks guys. I know they look pretty good in the pics and are a couple hundred cheaper than the tti's, plus they have 2" primaries.

[Mick70RR]

I fitted them a few months ago. Very impressed with the quality and finish. RB engine, Stealth heads, power steering and a mini starter. Fit like a glove, no dings required and the bolts have never once came loose. Just make sure you jack the car up as high as you can, the higher the car is off the ground the easier they slide in from underneath.

[Charger4404spd]

I fitted them a few months ago. Very impressed with the quality and finish. RB engine, Stealth heads, power steering and a mini starter. Fit like a glove, no dings required and the bolts have never once came loose. Just make sure you jack the car up as high as you can, the higher the car is off the ground the easier they slide in from underneath.

Thanks

[dstryr]

Another vote for Doug's.  Put them on my 440 RR a couple of years ago.   Driver side slipped right in from the top by tipping the engine.  Pass side from the bottom.  What Mick said, you need it way up.

[myk]

Hmmm....there may finally be an alternative to TTi's for me...

[Bob T]

Another vote here.
They were on my car ( 440 ) when I got it. Great fit and clearance,  perform as well as any and look good

[hemihead]

I believe Doug's has been around longer than TTI .

[john108]

Does this fit apply to the Edelbrock RPM heads with angled plugs as well as 440source or Mopar?

[Bob T]

Does this fit apply to the Edelbrock RPM heads with angled plugs as well as 440source or Mopar?

Sorry, dont know, mine are stock iron heads 

[fy469rtse]

Does this fit apply to the Edelbrock RPM heads with angled plugs as well as 440source or Mopar?

yes exactly what I posted earlier , make sure you look for the sets that are made for the alloy heads , plug angles only a problem to leads,
Number 1 plug a problem and six has no room to get lead on and would toast with heat in no time , the ones listed are for cast heads , but dougs make them for the alloys, most places discount them so as to unload them because the sets that they are stuck with are for steel head sets , and yes with mini starter , you still have to slide starter in with headers, slight differences in fit also, steel to alloys, heads are physically different in size, so affects fit around steering box

[mopar0166]

any updates?

[mopar0166]

The d452 headers for the 440 , dougs, jegs and summit will not commit that they will fit edelbrock angled plug heads.  I have read 2-3 times that they do fit nicely.  I guess I gotta look if I really want spend the extra cash on tti stuf

[myk]

Wish I could help but my Doug D452's are working with stock heads...

[firefighter3931]

The d452 headers for the 440 , dougs, jegs and summit will not commit that they will fit edelbrock angled plug heads.  I have read 2-3 times that they do fit nicely.  I guess I gotta look if I really want spend the extra cash on tti stuff

The D452's fit fine with Eddy/Sidewinder/Indy angled plug heads 


Ron

[theseoldcars]

I had a set of Doug's Headers on my '68 Firebird. Beautifully built, no leaks and stayed looking smart after a year in the rain and snow. Still going strong on the car, as far as I'm aware.

[mopar0166]

SOLD! sounds like a plan

I should be tackling this in about two weeks, I need to finish my transmission, wiring and new center section first.  ill be posting pics of it when I get to it my deadline is closing in. 

thanks again everyone for the great help!

[mopar0166]

I guess the only other thing is if the ceramic coating is worth the extra money. I could argue ether way.   645 is the cost with a coating and 480 without.  is it really worth the 165 bucks ?

[303 Mopar]

I guess the only other thing is if the ceramic coating is worth the extra money. I could argue ether way.   645 is the cost with a coating and 480 without.  is it really worth the 165 bucks ?

I had ceramic coating and it really looked good IMO, way longer than the $165 I would have forgot about.

[mopar0166]

good point, id spend that much on beer and food in ocean city on one night any way.

[firefighter3931]

The ceramic coating is definitely worth it....underhood temps are reduced significantly with the thermal barrier.  


Ron

[mopar0166]

FIREFIGHTER3931 -

How about performance on my engine, im going from 17/8"/3" collector to 2 " primaries with a  3.5 " collector to 3" exhaust im guessing with it being able to breath easier it might help on torque

[firefighter3931]

What is the engine combination ;  heads/cam/compression etc....


Ron

[mopar0166]

Top to Bottom - Holley 850 DP MEc sec, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, MSD IGN/DIST, Edelbrock ALum heads, roller rockers, Edelbrock performer RPM cam, high volume water water, alum housing, speed pro pistions, hp rods , int balanced stock crank, deep oil pan.  compression is 10:1 , running 3" exhaust currently. 

I know I could have a more aggressive cam, but it been good to me so far.

[firefighter3931]

Top to Bottom - Holley 850 DP MEc sec, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, MSD IGN/DIST, Edelbrock ALum heads, roller rockers, Edelbrock performer RPM cam, high volume water water, alum housing, speed pro pistions, hp rods , int balanced stock crank, deep oil pan.  compression is 10:1 , running 3" exhaust currently. 

I know I could have a more aggressive cam, but it been good to me so far.

That should run fine....you have a good top end on the engine with free flowing heads. Typically a 1 7/8 header is the better choice but you won't loose much torque and probably gain some horsepower....a bit of a trade off. If you decide to build a stroker in the future you will be all set with the exhaust. 

I purchased the 2in TTI's for my old 446 and it ran great ; similar build to yours with a bigger solid cam. I knew that at some point I would be going stroker so the 2in was a good choice. The dual plane RPM intake is much better than what I had on the old 446 so the torque drop off won't be much using that intake manifold vs the single plane mine had (Holley Street Dominator)


Ron

[mopar0166]

sounds good to me.  thanks again

[firefighter3931]

You're welcome 

Keep us up to speed on your progress 



Ron

[mopar0166]

no prob, the headers wont be started for over a week , I have a few other things to finish up first

[mopar0166]

anybody got a pic of the install from underneath?   I ordering mine tomorrow

[66FBCharger]

Are the Doug's Headers everyone is referring to the same as Doug Thorley headers?

[mopar0166]

http://www.jegs.com/i/Dougs-Headers/776/D452/10002/-1

[myk]

Are you trying to see how low they hang?  On my car they are visible from underneath the car when you're looking at the car from the sides.  They're about as low as I would like them to be with the Hotchkis suspension doing its thing...

[mopar0166]

I want to see how close they get the cross members and how well they line up with the through the same.  I attached a pic for example, its not my car.

[mopar0166]

AH I said why not, I bough the headers and should be here Saturday

although, if people are looking for these, jegs said they couldn't get me a pair till May 31, I quickly canceled the order, cause summit had them ready to ship same day same price. 

[myk]

Good move, you'll love em....

[mopar0166]

got them, just waiting on my transmission to put them in, they look great. 

ill have to post pics when im done doing all my work, time is running out to get it done so ill be busy the next two weeks

[Derwud]

Went to Spring Fling, cash in hand and stopped at TTI, felt like I was bothering them, oh well.. Just ordered a set of plain Doug's so I can get O2 bungs welded in and ceramic coated.

[mopar0166]

Mine are beautiful, you will be happy , ive done as much research on them as possible and it dam near a set of tti I design

[Kern Dog]

The people at TTI seem to think that they invented headers with the way that they have theirs priced. Yeah, theirs are great but holy crap! $850 for headers???

[mopar0166]

still waiting for my transmission but once its in I cant wait to install them

[myk]

The people at TTI seem to think that they invented headers with the way that they have theirs priced. Yeah, theirs are great but holy crap! $850 for headers???

I priced the TTi's that I needed at a grand.  Too rich for my blood...

[Derwud]

My headers are in route, all 10 miles.. I drive by the place every day!!

[mopar0166]

so my torqueflight will be done sunday, install Monday hopefully.

testing new elect harness tonght

new steering, and windsheld to follow all that along with some detailing.

[mopar0166]

Mine are in

Grade

Ease of installation - A ( took longer to my hookers out then to install these, very ease to put in place)

Room through Steering - A (free and clear, good movement of the steering components)

Room Around Torsion Bars - C ( I'm sure their will be some rubbing especially on the passenger side,  we will see what's happens during a drive.)

Product - A

Spark plug access - A ( I have angled plugs)

Access for mounting bolts B+

ceramic finish - A


Great product and highly recommended.

[Alan73Charger]

Are the Doug's Headers everyone is referring to the same as Doug Thorley headers?

It doesn't look like anyone answered you so I will...  I was told no, these are separate companies. 

As for this thread I'm probably going Hedman or TTI.  At least TTI gives me a couple options for my 318.  For a 73 Dougs only lists a header for a 5.7L hemi, nothing that fits a 5.2L.  Is anyone running Doug's on a 318?  Mine has a Comp Cams Xtreme energy 20-221-3 cam, performer intake, 1406 edlebrock and straight dual exhaust now.  Just need to ditch the stock case iron exhaust.

[66FBCharger]

Are the Doug's Headers everyone is referring to the same as Doug Thorley headers?

It doesn't look like anyone answered you so I will...  I was told no, these are separate companies. 

As for this thread I'm probably going Hedman or TTI.  At least TTI gives me a couple options for my 318.  For a 73 Dougs only lists a header for a 5.7L hemi, nothing that fits a 5.2L.  Is anyone running Doug's on a 318?  Mine has a Comp Cams Xtreme energy 20-221-3 cam, performer intake, 1406 edlebrock and straight dual exhaust now.  Just need to ditch the stock case iron exhaust.

Thanks for the answer.

[mopar0166]

Just as an update, plugs were way easy , finished the mounting bolts using stage 8 bolts, not that bad as well, their is two that get tricky but nothing bad.