73 SE's can drift

[MaximRecoil]

Ask any drifter or stuntdriver, and they'll tell you that in order to do it so fluently, and so many consecutive times, it requires a lot of training. I showed the videos to my former boss, who drives rallycars, and he concurs..

"Training"? I don't think so. A little bit of trial and error practice is all that is needed. Low speed = plenty of time to think about it / react compared to a high speed track with tight corners.

So I guess that's a "no" for the last part...

You either need to read what I wrote again, or refamiliarize yourself with the definition of the word "no". I actually said "sure" (which doesn't mean "no"), but there are stipulations which I listed. So whether or not the video gets made depends entirely on you.

I agree---"doing a donuts" is just hit the gas and turn the wheel.   But to connect several together in a tight figure eight is not easy especially with a car like that.

And doing a "figure eight" is just:

1. "Hit the gas and turn the wheel"
2. "Hit the gas and turn the wheel" ... the other way

Once you know how the car responds, it isn't rocket science to "do donuts" to get around obstacles at low speed. The weight of the car is irrelevant at such low speeds, given that it isn't a variable. Somehow make the weight a wildly and randomly changing variable in between each "donut", and then it would be impressive, even at low speed.

At much higher speeds, weight could become a factor (along with other characteristics of the car, particularly suspension design), because it could make the car uncontrollable when attempting some maneuvers, no matter how much skill you have.

[70moparman]

4200 pounds doing what 2800 pounds can do is pretty impressive. 

Now apply the same logic to a 110 lb female and a 310 lib female and you definately won't be impressed.   

LOL! 

[69finder]

Low speed "drifting" in a parking lot? He's more or less just "doing donuts". Put him on a high speed track with tight corners and have him use his "drifting skills" to produce some good lap times, and then it will be impressive.

To be impressive you have to turn the poor guy from doing donuts into a race car driver? 

Please, never have children!  What low expectations you have!

[69finder]

Just because he's not going fast doesn't mean that what he's doing doesn't require skills..

"Skill" that's acquired in a matter of minutes, i.e., the amount of time it takes to get a feel for how the car responds when "doing donuts" (or "half donuts").

Maybe you'd like to post a video of yourself doing the same, in the same confined space?

Sure, if you want to supply the car, location, obstacles, video equipment, and pay me enough money to make it worth my time to do something I have absolutely no interest in doing otherwise.

So in one sentence you say the skill can be learned in minutes.  Then you follow up with some impossible to meet criteria.    

[MaximRecoil]

So in one sentence you say the skill can be learned in minutes.  Then you follow up with some impossible to meet criteria.    

There is no "impossible to meet criteria" in my post, which negates your first sentence (so consider it dismissed), nor would it be relevant if there was, which negates your second sentence (so consider it dismissed as well).

Likewise, but for a valid reason. Your "error with confidence" (see above) is comical. In fact, "error with confidence" is a tried-and-true building block of comedy. For example:

Beavis: "What did people do before they had TV?"
Butt-Head: "Don't be stupid Beavis, there's always been TV! There's just a lot more channels now."

[Marck]

Just because he's not going fast doesn't mean that what he's doing doesn't require skills..

"Skill" that's acquired in a matter of minutes, i.e., the amount of time it takes to get a feel for how the car responds when "doing donuts" (or "half donuts").

Maybe you'd like to post a video of yourself doing the same, in the same confined space?

Sure, if you want to supply the car, location, obstacles, video equipment, and pay me enough money to make it worth my time to do something I have absolutely no interest in doing otherwise.

So in one sentence you say the skill can be learned in minutes.  Then you follow up with some impossible to meet criteria.    

Don't forget about all the dismissing.. That's pretty funny stuff as well.. 

[69finder]

How funny is someone who laughs at their own 'joke'?  Yup, not funny at all.

But we are laughing at you Maximumrecoil! 

[Bob]

I'm sorry I created this thread. The animosity between members is very disheartening.

[chargd72]

I'm sorry I created this thread. The animosity between members is very disheartening.

Look what you did now, bob!!   

[Bob]

I'm sorry I created this thread. The animosity between members is very disheartening.

Look what you did now, bob!!  

Yea, I know.  
They should get together like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwoQDtIhndY

[Paul G]

I'm sorry I created this thread. The animosity between members is very disheartening.

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

[MaximRecoil]

How funny is someone who laughs at their own 'joke'?  Yup, not funny at all.

I didn't laugh at my own joke (I haven't even made a joke in this thread). But since you think I did, this is Reading Disability Alert #5 for you.

But we are laughing at you Maximumrecoil! 

And Reading Disability Alert #6. By the way, what does it mean when a simpleton laughs?

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

I'm not a "new person" and it takes more than one person to argue. I've always posted in the same manner here (as well as on other forums), but it was only recently (after being here for a couple of years and a few hundred posts) that a significant argument happened (over relays in a Mopar HEI conversion). I picked up some ankle biters in that argument. It is very common to pick up an ankle biter or two after a lengthy forum argument; sometimes they remain as your ankle biter for years, forever trying to finally "win". Ankle biters keep the arguments rolling. "69finder" is my newest ankle biter, time will tell if he can go the distance. See his post in this thread for a textbook example of how ankle biters operate. 

[Paul G]

That is kind of funny. I have been on here since the forum began, like most everyone else with no arguments or "ankle biters". It is much better if we try to be very civil to each other and get along. If sarcasm is suspected just take it in stride because the typed word can be easily mis interpreted.

[69finder]

That is kind of funny. I have been on here since the forum began, like most everyone else, with no arguments or "ankle biters". It is much better if we try to be very civil to each other and get along. If sarcasm is suspected just take it in stride because the typed word can be easily mis interpreted.

Because you are a normal, intelligent human being.  Maximumrecoil is a troll.  Plain and simple.

[69finder]

Ankle biters keep the arguments rolling. "69finder" is my newest ankle biter, time will tell if he can go the distance. See his post in this thread for a textbook example of how ankle biters operate. 

Call the whaaambulance!!  Someone is crying over here!  Are you a little upset that you have to use the forum to get a bit of sympathy.  Wow, that is pretty sad Maximumrecoil. 

Ok, please people, let's take it easy on Maximumrecoil, he's getting upset.   

[NJRBros]

  + =  

I enjoyed it. Though I still think it looks silly trying to drift such big cars.

Now what we should've been fighting about is why this was posted in the 'Car Guys' board!
3rd gens are chargers too!  

[cudaken]

 Well before the Key Board Fight started. Loved the Nerd fight

I was going to say makes me want to look for my Disco Dancing Shoes! Wonder if the owner has a Mr T starter set, Fro and Velvet Suit?   I am sure they have a operating 8 Track in that sucker!

Ducking again, Cuda Ken  

[Paul G]

I tried my hand at Auto Cross this year at MATS. It is not easy trying to keep a big heavy car in control and going in the direction you want it to go while fighting for grip on the pavement, and without hitting anything. I had a lot more room on the course than this guy has around barrels. He gets my respect.

[ws23rt]

How funny is someone who laughs at their own 'joke'?  Yup, not funny at all.

I didn't laugh at my own joke (I haven't even made a joke in this thread). But since you think I did, this is Reading Disability Alert #5 for you.

But we are laughing at you Maximumrecoil! 

And Reading Disability Alert #6. By the way, what does it mean when a simpleton laughs?

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

I'm not a "new person" and it takes more than one person to argue. I've always posted in the same manner here (as well as on other forums), but it was only recently (after being here for a couple of years and a few hundred posts) that a significant argument happened (over relays in a Mopar HEI conversion). I picked up some ankle biters in that argument. It is very common to pick up an ankle biter or two after a lengthy forum argument; sometimes they remain as your ankle biter for years, forever trying to finally "win". Ankle biters keep the arguments rolling. "69finder" is my newest ankle biter, time will tell if he can go the distance. See his post in this thread for a textbook example of how ankle biters operate. 

I suppose I am one of your "ankle biters".

You do always post in the same manner.  It does take more than one to argue and you are lurking around endlessly looking for that one to argue with.

In your process you have made a long list of new friends. (You listed them on another thread)

To you someone that is an "ankle biter" is "forever trying to finally win"  This speaks to how you see them and why you engage them.

Your observation of your newest "ankle biter"  And your wondering whether he will go the distance describes your motive rather clearly.

You also have used the term "how the game is played" many times.

I may be one of your least favorite "ankle biters" because I usually ask you questions that you will not answer.  You dismiss as irrelevant, Say it is out in left field,etc.  Cherry picking your responses puts you in the drivers seat.

Gaining respect, fitting in, accepting alternate points of view, etc.  Are things you have told the many people that read this, are of no interest to you.
You have told us many times on several threads by the way you talk to responders.  (Which by the way are strangers and you have no way of knowing if their responses are setting you up or not )

I like what Cooter said somewhere in this mess.  "You can't put the shit back in the horse"

[TUFCAT]

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

[ws23rt]

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

Most of us appreciate how much can be said with very few words   "A picture helps"  This is called communication

[Fred]

Dont be sorry Bob. We have a new person who wants to be argumentive about almost everything. Look in other threads Maxim has been on. His type has come and gone before.

Most of us appreciate how much can be said with very few words   "A picture helps"  This is called communication

And everyone's point of view is excepted (not dismissed out of hand) even if not agreed with.

[MaximRecoil]

That is kind of funny. I have been on here since the forum began, like most everyone else, with no arguments or "ankle biters". It is much better if we try to be very civil to each other and get along. If sarcasm is suspected just take it in stride because the typed word can be easily mis interpreted.

Again, it takes more than one person to argue, and if you've never been in an argument here then consider this your first one. And I am civil when replying to civil posts.

Because you are a normal, intelligent human being.  Maximumrecoil [sic] is a troll.  Plain and simple.

You don't get to redefine the word "troll" (and the irony of you calling anyone a "troll" is noted).

Call the whaaambulance!!  Someone is crying over here!  Are you a little upset that you have to use the forum to get a bit of sympathy.  Wow, that is pretty sad Maximumrecoil [sic].  

Ok, please people, let's take it easy on Maximumrecoil [sic], he's getting upset.  

Are you lost, Slow Doug™? Given that nothing you typed here logically follows from anything I typed (it is purely a product of your delusional fantasy world), consider it dismissed.

I suppose I am one of your "ankle biters".

Yes, one of many across many forums. Here is how to identify an ankle biter:

1. First-replies to you far more often than you first-reply to him.
2. Usually replies in an ad hominem manner, rather than legitimately addressing the content of your posts.

"69finder" is a wonderful textbook example of an ankle biter. You're a borderline example.

You do always post in the same manner.  It does take more than one to argue and you are lurking around endlessly looking for that one to argue with.

The bolded part is false. I don't look for arguments on this forum, but I'll always argue if someone else wants to (because arguing is entertaining, at least when done correctly). If someone posts that 2+2=5, and I post that it actually =4, that isn't looking for an argument, it is simply correcting an error with a fact. It will only turn into an argument if the other person is too dense to recognize a fact when he sees one.

In your process you have made a long list of new friends. (You listed them on another thread)

Whatever you're talking about here, it is irrelevant. I don't consider online forums populated with total strangers to be a social hall. Forums like this one and most others I post on are an information exchange.

To you someone that is an "ankle biter" is "forever trying to finally win"  This speaks to how you see them and why you engage them.

By definition, an ankle biter first engages me, not the other way around. I don't first engage anyone, I only ever first-engage post content, without regard to who the poster is (because I couldn't care less who the poster is).

Your observation of your newest "ankle biter"  And your wondering whether he will go the distance describes your motive rather clearly.

My "motive"? No. As I said, I don't first-engage anyone here, ever, so whether or not he becomes a dedicated long-term ankle biter depends entirely on how deep his obsession with me runs.

You also have used the term "how the game is played" many times.

That refers to arguments, which are analogous to a game of strategy. Ankle biters don't know how to play the game properly. All they do is throw paper cups from the sidelines.

I may be one of your least favorite "ankle biters" because I usually ask you questions that you will not answer.  You dismiss as irrelevant, Say it is out in left field,etc.  Cherry picking your responses puts you in the drivers seat.

I don't have any favorite or least favorite ankle biters. Ankle biters are an inevitable byproduct of online arguments. It is certainly nothing I lose sleep over. Also, since your mischaracterization of how I reply to you and others who don't know how to argue has already been pointed out more than once, consider it dismissed.

Gaining respect, fitting in, accepting alternate points of view, etc.  Are things you have told the many people that read this, are of no interest to you.

With regard to "Gaining respect, fitting in"; caring about that sort of thing is the result of a herd mentality, which I neither have nor want. With regard to "accepting alternate points of view", I only accept points of view that have a solid basis, "alternate" or otherwise.

You have told us many times on several threads by the way you talk to responders.  (Which by the way are strangers and you have no way of knowing if their responses are setting you up or not )

Ah, the classic ad hoc "I'm baiting you" tactic. I'll let you in on a "secret": bait without a trap is just free food, and there isn't an ankle biter in existence who ever had a trap to go along with his "bait".

[tan top]

4200 pounds doing what 2800 pounds can do is pretty impressive. 

Now apply the same logic to a 110 lb female and a 310 lib female and you definately won't be impressed.   

good point MTD 




skill full car control , clever stuff ,  crazy to do it so close to spectators ,  wonder what other mopars are out there 

[Bob]

Well before the Key Board Fight started. Loved the Nerd fight

I was going to say makes me want to look for my Disco Dancing Shoes! Wonder if the owner has a Mr T starter set, Fro and Velvet Suit?   I am sure they have a operating 8 Track in that sucker!

Ducking again, Cuda Ken  

So true Ken.