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Started by ws23rt, September 18, 2013, 06:20:15 PM

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Fred

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flyinlow

1 & 2 would be even.

3 would be lower assuming the steel ball was large enough to sink the ice cube originally.

ws23rt

Quote from: flyinlow on September 18, 2013, 09:05:54 PM
1 & 2 would be even.

3 would be lower assuming the steel ball was large enough to sink the ice cube originally.

It is true the extra weight of the steel ball would hold the ice lower until it fell to the bottom. The ice would raise and water level drop accordingly.
The other two examples would not change as the weight of the ice would not change :2thumbs:

Lighthorseman

Would anything change if one of the ice cubes was painted orange with a 01 on the side?  :scratchchin:

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I didn't want to read all replies just in case the final answer was there, but this is my conclusion after use my brain.

every one will be lower than originally when freezed BUT the one with iron ball will be higher than the rest.

the one with the air buble will be the lower of all of course.

reason ? since water expands when freezed, with all glasses freezed at same level ( so same total freezed volume ) the only section of the total volume will never change is the one with the steel ball. The air bubble will dissapear, and the only water freezed will keep that area filled.

metal contracts when freezed too, same as air, but not the same rate than the water expands.

of course everything will be more noticeable or not according of the size of the air bubble and steel ball
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Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on September 20, 2013, 08:03:12 AM*snip* reason ? since water expands when freezed, with all glasses freezed at same level ( so same total freezed volume ) the only section of the total volume will never change is the one with the steel ball. The air bubble will dissapear, and the only water freezed will keep that area filled. *snip*
I'm afraid you're wrong, here's the logic:

Cup 1: solid ice.
Since water expands when it freezes the ice cubes are lower in density. The part of the ice cube that floats equals the part of volume that would disappear as the ice would melt - because water is more compact then ice.
-> no change in level.

Cup 2: Ice with air
The volume of the ice cube is larger then the actual amount of ice (since the air takes up place aswell) - however the same principal applies here: The air contributes to the overall density of the ice cube - making it even less dense. Hence the ice cube will float even more then its solid counterpart. So the cube is less deep inside the water, making cup 2 filled with more water then cup 1. As the ice melts the air leaves the ice cube and the ice melts. There is less ice to melt then in cup 1, but there needed to be more water in it from the stat to fill the cup to the edge
-> no change in level.

Cup 3: Ball inside the ice
The steel ball increases the density of the overall ice cube, making it sink. as the ice melts it will detach from the ball and go towards the surface. However since the ice was completely under water when you filled the cup in the beginning of the experiment the complete sum of water in your cup is less because the submerged ice took in place for twice the amount of water it would result in when it melts
-> water level drops
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Quote from: Lighthorseman on September 18, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
Would anything change if one of the ice cubes was painted orange with a 01 on the side?  :scratchchin:

Not sure.  But I can tell you the one full of Scotch is empty.