If you are interested in WW II planes you will like this.

[cudaken]

 While I don't know all of this is true. Lets just say I glad the war with Germany ended in 1945.

If you are interested in WW II planes you will like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7421RDg10Q&list=PLRPW3IFnQj1zwp1r7j_M22wIxwTj9RUqJ

Cuda Ken

[JB400]

 

[myk]

F6F Hellcat FTW!!!!!

[cudaken]

 Ops, Try it now.

I know some of it is true, like the flying wing.

Ken 

[Mopar Nut]

 

[polywideblock]

you can bet your ass it's true ,most of post war jet technology in both the us and Russia came from Germany  .both sides plundered  everything they could ,its how we got so much  advanced technology  so quick

[Mike DC]

   
Hitler was eventually gonna lose that war no matter what planes the Nazis brewed up.  But it is interesting what they were coming up with under pressure.




The Nazi flying-wing stealth plane was the inspiration for that one in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" that Indy blew up on the tarmac. 


                       

[wingcar]

Bottomline, regardless of what new "wonder weapon" the Nazis developed late in the war, short of an Atomic Bomb.  Nothing was going to reverse the course of the war...They were doomed to lose the minute Hitler decided to attack the east and open up a second front.  All they could hope for was to lengthen the war and make the Allies pay in even more blood while the little mad man sat in his bunker planning his next attack...never mind his army was being cut down by the hour and his air force had all but been destroyed for the most part.  Yes, he had advanced aircraft, but what he didn't have was the fuel and pilots.   With the exception of a few (and getting fewer each day) "Experts", most of the pilots that faced our P-51s and P-47s were fresh out of flight school and became nothing more than targets.  The Allies won the war by "over powering" the enemy with numbers not high tech. war machines.  The "Greatest Generation" found a way to get the job done, and came through when it really mattered.  (My Father was one of them...)             

And, yes we found and took a lot of new tech. back to the states after the war ended (including people) which helped our aerospace programs....even helping to take us to the Moon.......

[tan top]

 interesting  stuff  , thanks  for posting 

[polywideblock]

we out produced them , shear weight of numbers ( just like the human wave that the n/Koreans used in the Korean conflict ).  tanks as an example the US produced approx. 25 000 M4 's of all models ,the Russians produced approx. 58 000 T34's   .the Germans produced approx. 5000 tanks of all models   . it was still reckoned  that it took 5-8 us or Russian tanks to destroy one German tank . they had the technology, but we had the industrial might to simply make more to replace losses  . please note i'm not a neo-Nazi  or anything just a WW2 history buff has  been building WW2 German armour models since I was 10 ,still have not made every model they made or were going to make 

[wingcar]

been building WW2 German armour models since I was 10 ,still have not made every model they made or were going to make 

This was just one of the things that led to their down fall....they kept producing different models, trying to produce the perfect tank, instead of producing a lot of one model....wasting resources they really didn't have.  Yes, their armour was much better, but in many cases once they break... they were hard to fix in the field, unlike a Sherman.  They said it took three Shermans to take out a Tiger...one of the Shermans had to attact the Tigers attention while the other two maneuvered to get behind the Tiger.....I would not want to be the one Sherman tasked with attacting the Tiger and his 88.................still, like their aircraft, they came up with many interesting models.....

[cudaken]

Hitler made 3 mistakes, well really a lot more but theses are the one that stick out to me.

1 Attacking Russia while he was still fighting on other fronts. Should have gain control of the areas he had and built more factories across Europe.

2 Declaring War On The United States? What was he thinking! Yes we where at war with Japan but there was a good chances we would not declare war on Germany.

3 Playing War Machine Expert! The Jet ME 262 was just about ready for combat a good year before it saw action! Hitler decided it would make a great fighter bomber (It was built as a fighter originally) and sent it back to the drawing board!       

Cuda Ken

[polywideblock]

have to agree with you on all three points ,the ME 262 was a game changer but as stated he just couldn't help meddling in things .  
  the sturmgevehr 44 was a prime example the worlds first assault rife (and inspiration for the AK47 )when shown it in 42 he said can it what we have is good enough but they built it in secret and when shown it he loved it and ordered it into production  hence Sgt 44 if these had of been produced in 43-44 instead of 44-45  think what a 30 shot semi /full auto assault rife would have done to the out come of all the big battles of 44-45  

[Mike DC]

    
AH was delusional.  Just controlling France and Poland would have stretched his resources ragged within a few years.  Let alone England.  


Russia?  Please.  
Russia itself was just barely keeping control of Russia in those days.  

[myk]

Hitler made 3 mistakes, well really a lot more but theses are the one that stick out to me.

1 Attacking Russia while he was still fighting on other fronts. Should have gain control of the areas he had and built more factories across Europe.

2 Declaring War On The United States? What was he thinking! Yes we where at war with Japan but there was a good chances we would not declare war on Germany.

3 Playing War Machine Expert! The Jet ME 262 was just about ready for combat a good year before it saw action! Hitler decided it would make a great fighter bomber (It was built as a fighter originally) and sent it back to the drawing board!       

Cuda Ken

Don't forget his "final solution" for the Jewish population.  Total waste of manpower and resources...

[MoParJW]

They built some amazing machines, and had some crazy stuff up their sleeves that's for sure!

Building stuff like that was possible because militairy was the number one priority for Nazi-Germany I guess (and they had occupied countries to bleed dry and take huge amounts of slave workers from).

[Mike DC]

Don't forget his "final solution" for the Jewish population.  Total waste of manpower and resources...

That started out as scapegoating for Germany's problems that led up to WWII.  

The whole thing is forever debatable and I'm not the expert on it.  But the early stages of abusing the Jews seemed more like a means to an end for Hitler IMHO.    


It also bears remembering that internment camps with zero human rights were more commonplace back then.  Yeah of course the Nazis took the cruelty & genocidal aspects of it way above normal.  But the idea of rounding up a bunch of unpopular people into camps during wartime and keeping them in terrible conditions where huge numbers of them died . . . that was nothing really unusual.  Our own 1860s Civil War produced some pretty ugly internment camps along these lines.  The Japanese were doing some pretty nasty stuff to US prisoners during WWII as well.  

     

[polywideblock]

not to mention the Aussies and English, the japs staved and worked to death thousands ,NO human rights what so ever    had an uncle that was with the forces in Singapore when the British surrendered for all of them       was  in changi  and then the jap mainland. was within sight of one of the atom bomb explosions .

also no one mentions the evils that Stalin did       he  easily killed as many Jews as Hitler + millions of white Russians and other undesirables. he also "purged " millions from his armed forces that is why the Germans had such an easy time when they first invaded, there was no organised resistance.  it was a time of O human rights  in many countries

[myk]

Don't forget his "final solution" for the Jewish population.  Total waste of manpower and resources...

That started out as scapegoating for Germany's problems that led up to WWII.  

The whole thing is forever debatable and I'm not the expert on it.  But the early stages of abusing the Jews seemed more like a means to an end for Hitler IMHO.    


It also bears remembering that internment camps with zero human rights were more commonplace back then.  Yeah of course the Nazis took the cruelty & genocidal aspects of it way above normal.  But the idea of rounding up a bunch of unpopular people into camps during wartime and keeping them in terrible conditions where huge numbers of them died . . . that was nothing really unusual.  Our own 1860s Civil War produced some pretty ugly internment camps along these lines.  The Japanese were doing some pretty nasty stuff to US prisoners during WWII as well.  

     

Eh, everyone's hands were/are dirty...

[polywideblock]

yes everyone's hands are dirty. but  just think how far society advanced in the space of a decade 35-45  the medical and scientific advances were such a huge leap that no one would have given financial backing to any of these ideas  during peace times    mankind advanced because of this terrible time in our history

[John_Kunkel]

not to mention the Aussies and English, the japs staved and worked to death thousands ,NO human rights what so ever 

Kinda like the U.S. government did to the native Americans?

[cudaken]

not to mention the Aussies and English, the japs staved and worked to death thousands ,NO human rights what so ever 

Kinda like the U.S. government did to the native Americans?

I just read the book Fly Boys and it really started me to think about the things the US did. Covered many things, some of them I was shock and sickened by. But still worth reading.

Just came across this about the P-61.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8

Just about forgotten about them.

Ken

[myk]

yes everyone's hands are dirty. but  just think how far society advanced in the space of a decade 35-45  the medical and scientific advances were such a huge leap that no one would have given financial backing to any of these ideas  during peace times    mankind advanced because of this terrible time in our history

I'm not criticizing the scientific/technological advancements that are brought on by great national needs like "war," I just like to remind everyone that no one is innocent, and to never take for granted the blood that may have been spilled to gain that scientific/technological advancement...

[wingcar]

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I just read the book Fly Boys and it really started me to think about the things the US did. Covered many things, some of them I was shock and sickened by. But still worth reading.

Ken
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Fly Boys is an excellent book that gives a lot of background information as to how the Americans and the Japanese developed their attitudes towards one another.  I highly recommend the book if you want to know more about how our two counties started down the road to war..... As mentioned, some parts are a bit sickening, but it's all history......................