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new body shells going into production

Started by GOTWING, September 05, 2013, 01:45:54 PM

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Mike DC

Quoteslightly off topic, but even in the last fast and furious movie with a budget of ... ALOT they chose to use 9 real 69/70 mustangs for the movie instead of building clones with dynacorn shells because it was more "practical"

$16k for a body shell does not get them the whole car, whereas $16k for a rustbucket does.  Just the time & effort alone of trying to round up all the stuff you don't get with a bare unibody . . . they would have ended up buying a fleet of complete-car rustbuckets to finish the repro body shells anyway. 

The only thing really wrong with a rustbucket is the apperance and possibly the structural integrity.  As long as they avoid buying cars that are bending in half with rust they are okay.  (And most of their cars are sourced from the Los Angeles area.) 

Even structural integrity is becoming less crucial for the raw material cars.  The rollcages are growing steadily more elaborate in the cars being driven (not just purposely wrecked) by people.  Bars extending out to the shock towers, going under the driver seat, etc.


greenpigs

Quote from: Cooter on September 06, 2013, 05:45:28 AM
Quote from: greenpigs on September 06, 2013, 04:18:22 AM
Quote from: Cooter on September 05, 2013, 08:20:23 PM
sure, new body shells may very well be made in a 69 charger, but for the $16,000 they want for that challenger body, I can't see the guys on here screaming about a $4,000 Roach of a 68 or 69 charger original body buying one of those.

only the rich can afford a brand new body.

If it wasn't for the rich, do you think they would make a new Challenger body?




Nope. Only the rich and very upper middle class. I would have to kick my own ass if I bought a shell for $16K...No VIN, Fender Tag, Pedigree, Hemi engine, Dana 60 rear, NOTHING but a brand new shell. And missing the front clip at that???

I see rebodies [Flippers] and rich people making these last for a little while. But, then again, I refuse to pay $16K for an older car even with all that sh*t on it.


I still don't understand the dislike because you can't afford to do it, and no neither can I. If someone has the money to throw around, good for them as it leaves an original for the rest of us that can't play at that level.

1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

Cooter

Dislike?  far from it.   I think its great. Just making an observation about the price as many here did with Bobfist's repro grilles.
I have an E body and have owned more than I thought I ever would at three, so it dont make no nevermind to me.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Mike DC

  
Sell people a whole unibody in individual pieces, and you're a hero for helping save the originals.  


Sell people those same unibody pieces already welded together, and now all of a sudden you're destroying the value of the originals.  

   

It's the nature of the beast.  We're talking about a hobby that places more value on a car's serial number than the condition of the entire thing. 


greenpigs

Quote from: Cooter on September 08, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
Dislike?  far from it.   I think its great. Just making an observation about the price as many here did with Bobfist's repro grilles.
I have an E body and have owned more than I thought I ever would at three, so it dont make no nevermind to me.

:2thumbs:

Your 3 up on me.

I doubt I ever get an E body, but a 70 or 71 Challenger is what I would want.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

6spd68

Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 05, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
True Cooter, who would pay 16k For a shell. ?

That's what I got mine for...  Only it was a complete car that had been through a rotisserie...  Still need an interior though :(
Every great legend has it's humble beginning.
Project 668:
1968 Dodge Charger (318 Car)
Projected Driveline:
383 with mild stroke
Carb intake w/Holley 750 VS

6-Speed Dodge Viper Transmission

Fully rebuilt Dana-60 w/Motive gears. 3.55 Posi, Yukon axles.

Finished in triple black. 

ETA: "Some velvet morning, when I'm straight..."

GOTWING

what are the chances they will ever make a 73 charger shell??    :D

Dino

Quote from: GOTWING on September 12, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
what are the chances they will ever make a 73 charger shell??    :D

About a hair more than a '74.   :D
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

472 R/T SE

Quote from: ACUDANUT on September 05, 2013, 08:55:49 PM
True Cooter, who would pay 16k For a shell. ?


I would say the same collectors who paid crazy money for this car. 


472 R/T SE

$16k & there's no front clip?

Pretty sure AMD reproduces the 'cuda fenders, what about the Dodge though?

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on September 08, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
 
Sell people a whole unibody in individual pieces, and you're a hero for helping save the originals.  


Sell people those same unibody pieces already welded together, and now all of a sudden you're destroying the value of the originals.  

   

It's the nature of the beast.  We're talking about a hobby that places more value on a car's serial number than the condition of the entire thing. 




Three very good points.  :thumbs:

myk

Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on September 13, 2013, 11:19:15 AM
Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on September 08, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
 
Sell people a whole unibody in individual pieces, and you're a hero for helping save the originals.  


Sell people those same unibody pieces already welded together, and now all of a sudden you're destroying the value of the originals.  

   

It's the nature of the beast.  We're talking about a hobby that places more value on a car's serial number than the condition of the entire thing. 




Three very good points.  :thumbs:
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Lol, best post in the thread...

HPP

I had to double check the dates on this thread because I could have sworn we had beaten this horse previously.

Last I heard, and this was last year, Dynacorn swore up and down they were not going to be making Charger bodies. They were done making the bodies they were going to make. Now, will AMD get into it. I doubt it. If Dynacorn wasn't interested, and they already make a whole bunch of repop bodies, I doubt AMD would follow suite despite the popularity of the 2nd gen Charger.

The whole real vs fake deal, again, I thought we had beat that one up too and the Feds have already weighed in on the subject in regard to the Dynacorn bodies, so again, moot point.

Mike DC

 
Dynacorn didn't tool up all those panels for their shells themselves, did they?  I've always assumed they were utilizing the existing reproduction tooling.  It's a long way from every single piece they would need but it's still a big chunk of the expense of a body shell.   


My point being that if every major piece of a body shell has gotten repro'd, then sooner or later somebody is gonna start welding them together.  If it's not the panel maker or Dynacorn then eventually somebody else will.  The industry doesn't have every major piece of a B-body reproduced yet but they are closing in on it.   



When the repro body shell industry was forming a decade ago, I'm sure they swore up & down that they would never make new '70 Challengers either. 


HPP

Probably not, but I bet they  weren't thinkng about remakng first generation Bronocs either, and those have beaten Chargers to the repo body availability.

I bet the introduction of a two door Challenger by Dodge suddenly meant there was corporate interest in blessing the manufacturer of old bodies was in place. While the Chrager exists in name, I don't know how well it transaltes to repoped versions.