WW II Vet Beaten By Teens

[Old Moparz]

Yes, things have always been as bad or worse in densely populated areas in particular.  But, when I moved to the Spokane area 22 years ago they hadn't even had a meth arrest yet.  Now it's a whole different place.  Panhandlers on downtown street corners and the news filled with all the stuff we're talking about here.  I would have to call BS on any report that says our crime rate here is down during that time period.  I agree that the media goes after "the world is falling" stuff.  It sells, always has, alway will.  

You're definitely correct about the media cashing in on what sells.

The thing about stats falling, is that the overall number is down, but there will always be pocket areas that are going to be the opposite. It's no different than when there is a s**thole neighborhood that people have finally had enough with, & a big police crackdown occurs. The crime just moves to a different area where enforcement is weak. I saw it in NYC years ago with Times Square. It was a scum infested area from the late 60's to the mid 80's that is now a big tourist attraction that the cartoon rat mickey owns most of. The degenerates moved to the lower west side, the area that they used to call the "Meat Packing District". That area now is upscale & only the wealthy can afford it. I guess the riff raff went elsewhere.

[twodko]

  I know this will set off the bleeding hearts out there but could it be that the "social experiment" of equal rights and civil liberty for all is a failure and some people should just  be put back on the  farm 

The harsh reality is "throwaway" people should just be put in the ground.

[69rtse4spd]

Scumbags, hang em high.

[Fred]

It really is time we cracked down.

[myk]

It really is time we cracked down.

Agreed, but the rest of the country is hell-bent on trying to understand, sympathize and surround criminals with compassion, love.  Until people re-learn that some human beings just need to be put down, criminals will continue to do as they please...

[Bob]

Another tragedy.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20130824/NEWS05/130824001/VIDEO-Man-charged-death-woman-99-held-without-bail?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

[bull]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

Whoever said that has probably been fired since...

Troy

It is a breakdown in parenting but at the same time the public school system is little more than a laboratory for politically correct social engineering. There's a lot of screwy ideology pounded into their heads each day and the parents (those who care) have tons of nonsense to try to undo when the kids come home. It used to be that they taught the three Rs but now it seems that's secondary to the rest of the BS they're being fed.

[Old Moparz]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

Whoever said that has probably been fired since...

Troy

It is a breakdown in parenting but at the same time the public school system is little more than a laboratory for politically correct social engineering. There's a lot of screwy ideology pounded into their heads each day and the parents (those who care) have tons of nonsense to try to undo when the kids come home. It used to be that they taught the three Rs but now it seems that's secondary to the rest of the BS they're being fed.

First I want to say I'm not picking a fight or criticizing, but this is exactly what I was pointing out earlier in regards to the media using scare tactics along with the doom & gloom approach. It's thriving on all the negatives that give people the idea that crime is totally out of control & has increased 75,000 times since 2 months ago while it's actually decreased. People are convinced that every single public school has a crack den for the kids or a teacher's lounge with strippers. Or that they need armed guards with tear gas & metal detectors to protect the principal that just expelled 93 students because they wished a teacher a Merry Christmas instead of saying the politically correct term of Happy Holidays. 

I do think that some schools go overboard on trying to "not offend" every person, but the reality isn't that ALL schools are like that. The public school my daughter goes to doesn't have a problem with Christmas decorations in the school. There are a few blanket rules that may defy common sense, like t-shirts with certain pictures or symbols, but rules like that are rarely enforced & reserved for when there is an obscenity issue with 4 letter words. The high school she is starting next month will have close to 4000 students. Of course s**t is going to happen, the law of averages allow it when you put that many people together.

My wife & I stay involved with the schools so we know what's going on but many parents don't. The parent teacher nights are sad when you know there are a certain number of kids in the class, say 25 or so & only 5 parents show up. Some work, some don't exist & some don't care but you can't assume that ALL public schools are the same because you read about one in the middle of nowhere across the country that has a law suit over some ridiculous rule or ruffled parent with no common sense. 

[bull]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

Also, it should be pointed out that crime is not the only gauge of a breakdown in morality since too often the laws on the books now are ignored, have been or are in the process of being eliminated. Make more things legal and the crime rate drops - it's magic! The fact that these teens even considered doing what they did, and seemed to have no idea or concern for what this vet had gone through to protect their pre-crime freedom, speaks volumes.

[Old Moparz]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

You can paint? 

I need help staining my siding if you have time.   

The school funding will be completely gone in a few years so it won't matter.

[bull]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

You can paint? 

I need help staining my siding if you have time.   

The school funding will be completely gone in a few years so it won't matter.

I added more. Be sure to check it out for brush marks.

[chargerboy69]

Now the animals are saying they were buying crack from the 88 year old vet, and it was a drug deal gone bad. 

They said he "stiffed" them on a crack sale. .  So what I take from it is it was the old mans fault, they are taking no responsibility. . . they were cheated.    The funny part about this accusation is even the punks own lawyer doesn't buy it.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/accused-teen-murderer-claims-they-were-buying-crack-from-88-year-old-wwii-vet-delbert-belton/

[ACUDANUT]

Yea, that's BS and they need to hang.

[JB400]

So, now they're wanting to be convicted of murder and attempting to purchase drugs?  Sounds like another loop on the noose.

[Tilar]

And to think, Most of this could have been handled at home with a father and mother both in the home and a good leather belt hanging up where all the little heathens could see it AND use the damn think when needed. Spare the rod, spoil the brat.....

[Fred]

I hang my head in shame for what mankind has become.

[bull]

Dead men tell no tales.

Remember that if you're ever involved in a home defense situation. And don't shoot unless they're in the kitchen or bathroom - blood is much easier to clean off vinyl than carpet.

[Dino]

I hang my head in shame for what mankind has become.

I hang my head in shame for what it always has been.  All you can do is be the best person you can be, everything else is out of your hands.

Very, very sad. 

[Fred]

You're quite right Dino, Nothing's really changed over the ages. Men have been killing and pillaging since the beginning of time. It was a barbaric way of life but it was called existing.
What do we call it today.......surely not civilisation. We haven't come very far and it seems we've learned very little.

[NJRBros]

The bad things exist today just like they always have, it's just covered better.

These are almost my exact thoughts.  I've noticed that the media has been focusing more and more on murders and crime, probably just because they've noticed it gets them more viewers.  Naturally if you start hearing about it more often, you'd assume it's actually happening more often.  I think people were more sheltered from the truth 'back then' because of communication limitations. Due to the many types of communication available to almost everyone today (Specifically the internet), news that would've normally stayed within a certain community gets spread around the world in a matter of minutes.

Of course with the increase in media coverage, there will be an increase in mass murder attempts due to more pathetic losers wanting to become famous.

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

[Mopar Nut]

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

In reality, both parents these days are working to make ends meet. I know this is not an excuse, but the kids don't have the guidance they once had. 

[polywideblock]

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

In reality, both parents these days are working to make ends meet. I know this is not an excuse, but the kids don't have the guidance they once had. 

                  don't know about over there but cops being able to give you a kick up the backside and telling you to go home was a real quick learning curve when I was growing up .      I think cops should be given back the right to administer on the spot "justice" for minor misdemeanours like graffiti etc. ,a swift kick in the britches ! instead of pschyco evaluation  etc. etc.

[Mopar Nut]

                  don't know about over there but cops being able to give you a kick up the backside and telling you to go home was a real quick learning curve when I was growing up .      I think cops should be given back the right to administer on the spot "justice" for minor misdemeanours like graffiti etc. ,a swift kick in the britches ! instead of pschyco evaluation  etc. etc.

How true and give the principle back the paddle rights too.

[polywideblock]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

[Mopar Nut]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

Back in the 70's I lived/went to a private school in Singapore. You did not get away with nothing there. They need to bring discipline back into the schools.