WW II Vet Beaten By Teens

[chargerboy69]

It can not be just my wife and I feeling this way. . our society just seems to be going down the s#!thole faster than ever. The breakdown of the family,  entitlements, gangs, political correctness, societies general attitude towards one another. . . the list could go on and on.

The 89 year old WW II vet known as "Shorty" was beaten to death by two cowardice animals.  The man took a bullet in Okinawa, he was part of the greatest generation we have left.  I just to not understand where we are heading. 



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/89-year-old-wwii-veteran-beaten-to-death-by-two-teens-in-parking-lot-suspect-photos-released/

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/elderly-man-dies-after-being-attacked-outside-ice-arena/-/101214/21574858/-/9flm7iz/-/index.html

[ACUDANUT]

Why don't you say it. Beaten by Nig..... Another hate crime.  Where is Jesse Jackson, Ale Sharpton and NoBama.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/23/world-war-ii-veteran-beaten-to-death-by-2-teenagers-in-washington-parking-lot/

[ACUDANUT]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/dhs-employee-spends-spare-time-promoting-race-war-against-whites/?intcmp=trending

[RECHRGD]

We moved to the Spokane area (thankfully out in the country) about 22 years ago.  Back then there was very little crime and people felt safe out on the streets.  Over the years a lot of the Los Angeles gang types have invested the area and crime is now rampant.  Everyday in the news there are more shootings, stabbings and beatings to read about.  We are the third in the nation as far as car thefts go.  It's everywhere and people just put their heads in the sand and ignore it...

[ACUDANUT]

The U.S. is going to be another Middle East.  Civil War. 

[stripedelete]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

[twodko]

These life forms are pimples on the ass of humanity. Throw away humans. They contribute nothing and expect everything from society the rest of us work out asses off for. We play by the rules and obey the law. The majority of us are good citizens wanting to live a decent and productive life.

Thank you ACLU and ultra Libs! You have so hog tied the hands of law enforcement they can no longer do the job of policing our coumminties. The thugs, bangers and garbage of the population have more rights than we do.
I AM NOT talking about the homeless, needy or those who can't care for themselves.

The only option as I see it is to do what must be done ourselves. Vigilantism is ugly because it can easily spin out of control. However it's our only hope. Now that we as a society must undertake this nasty business we must also police our own ranks to prevent citizen justice from becoming just like those be ate purging who are destroying this country.

We must be very very careful. We must be silent wraiths in the night. Shadows that watch and act. Faceless but determined to retake our our towns and cities. Always work in pairs or more and BE SURE those we terminally prosecute are deserving of permanent removal. Those of us with military skills must teach others. Never cause harm to innocents, damage to private or public property nor preach the necessity to clean our society to others. This must be a personal decision because each must live with what we must do. Simply act and disappear these miscreants. The non crimenal friends and families of these animals are innocents too. Its not their fault their off spring became dregs of society. They will be heartbroken and sorrowful at the loss of those they love despite the heinous crimes they commit. I don't believe this can be helped.

If I sound like a monster, alarmist or extremist I ask you to look at any other viable choices. I'm open to any suggestions.

These shameful excuses for human being are frankly "throw away people".

[Troy]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

Whoever said that has probably been fired since...

Troy

[myk]

We're devolving into a state of lawlessness.  There's no conscience anymore.  The drive for people to feel free and express themselves with little or no shame has now mutated into a state where people have no shame or sense of wariness about how they are, what they're doing, WHO they may be affecting, for better or for worse.  And yes, I do blame media and the entertainment industry for desensitizing the lot of us from being able to fear or abhor criminal acts and violence against people...

[Mike DC]

      
Do we need more gun laws & more civil rights losses every time there's an outrageous gun crime?  
 



Just lock up this perp for life, throw away the key, and get on with our lives.

[myk]

     
Do we need more gun laws & more civil rights losses every time there's an outrageous gun crime?  
 



Just lock up this perp for life, throw away the key, and get on with our lives.

I'm not talking about laws on the books, I'm talking about laws in your head, in one's mind.  If someone sees a car with its keys in it you don't steal it.  If someone cuts you off on the freeway you don't run them off of the road and kill them.  If a pretty girl is alone and walking home at night you don't rape her.  People are forgetting how to THINK about right and wrong.  People no longer SEE right and wrong, all they're doing is acting on feeling and impulse, hence people stealing, killing, raping, etc.  Not enough thought or conscience, just impulse; we're becoming like freaking animals.

As for punishment?  I'm a 1-strike type of person.  If you commit a heinous crime like murder, rape, possibly even theft or property damage you should automatically be taken out of the community, possibly executed depending on the seriousness of the crime...

[Silver R/T]

Spokane area is populated by crackheads, gangster wanna-be's. It's mosty fault of parenting skills, actually lack of it.
These punks grow up with no sense of respect for others or their property.

[Mike DC]

                                          
Unfortunately the legal system is just as good at keeping people wrongly locked up as letting guilty people off too easily.  

Letting a felon off too easily is more likely to make the news at some point, be it at the time of the crime or the time of his next arrest.  But keeping a nonviolent kid in jail for several years because he smoked a joint and then "violated his parole" by not producing enough money to pay for the monthly charges involved . . . nobody does news stories about that kind of stuff.  

[flyinlow]

     

Just lock up this perp for life, throw away the key, and get on with our lives.

I don't want to make prisons the new growth industries. What's the excuse for repeat violent offenders?

Let Doctors remove their serviceable organs for transplant. This would help repay society. Muscle tissue could be used to feed the carnivorous animals in zoos. Bury the rest.

[myk]

I don't want to make prisons the new growth industries. What's the excuse for repeat violent offenders?

Death.  People found guilty of violent crime shouldn't be in the community any way...

[F8-4life]

I'm not talking about laws on the books, I'm talking about laws in your head, in one's mind.  If someone sees a car with its keys in it you don't steal it.  If someone cuts you off on the freeway you don't run them off of the road and kill them.  If a pretty girl is alone and walking home at night you don't rape her.  People are forgetting how to THINK about right and wrong.  People no longer SEE right and wrong, all they're doing is acting on feeling and impulse, hence people stealing, killing, raping, etc.  Not enough thought or conscience, just impulse; we're becoming like freaking animals.

Well said,  and I do agree. Like anything it takes 100x the effort to build and only a second to destroy.
Past values & morals are dying along with the people of that generation.
It's sad to think it will be erased and lost eventually.
Replaced by a modern breed that is literally dangerous as their potential is only self serving & destructive.
Freedom of expression is also being snuffed out by Correctness and a slew of other nonesense created by those who cannot think for themselves.

[Mopar Nut]

Let's bring back public hangings and televise them on Pay Per View.

[Old Moparz]

Yes, society is worse than ever. The atrocities that people are capable of now are so much worse than what has happened throughout history. Mass killing in the name of religion, wars, genocide, crazed dictators, etc. That stuff never existed prior to when CNN, FAUX & all the others started to entertain & scare everyone 24/7 in the quest for ratings & profits.   

The bad things exist today just like they always have, it's just covered better.

100 Bloodiest Manmade Events in History..... http://www.bookofhorriblethings.com/ax01.html

[RECHRGD]

I doubt that the majority of posters here are unaware of the past and present atrocities against mankind.  It just seems that our country is going backwards in regards to civility in our society.  At least to those of us old enough to have some history.  To me, after the race riots in the '60s, things seemed to be on a better path.  Now after forty years of liberalism, no one can do anything wrong and we seem to see more and more of this stuff happening....

[myk]

I doubt that the majority of posters here are unaware of the past and present atrocities against mankind.  It just seems that our country is going backwards in regards to civility in our society.  At least to those of us old enough to have some history.  To me, after the race riots in the '60s, things seemed to be on a better path.  Now after forty years of liberalism, no one can do anything wrong and we seem to see more and more of this stuff happening....

Every once in a while I'll end up giving a girl a ride home from work or whatever, and I ALWAYS make a point to open the car door for them.  The reaction I get from them is usually that of complete surprise; "what are you doing?  Oh wow, no one's ever done that for me before."  PATHETIC.

Values, etiquette, morals, mores, folkways, respect, honor and to say nothing about patriotisim and God have become anachronisms-things of the past...

[Old Moparz]

I doubt that the majority of posters here are unaware of the past and present atrocities against mankind.  It just seems that our country is going backwards in regards to civility in our society.  At least to those of us old enough to have some history.  To me, after the race riots in the '60s, things seemed to be on a better path.  Now after forty years of liberalism, no one can do anything wrong and we seem to see more and more of this stuff happening....

Maybe they are aware of history, but when I see the constant cry that "the sky is falling" because of media coverage, it gets old. I have no respect for the dirtbags that decided to kill from boredom, but I seriously doubt liberalism, or even racism are the sole culprits. There are far more underlying reasons for bad things that happen.

I have to disagree that more & more bad things are happening though. I still believe that because of 24/7 newertainment, security cams on every building, & nimrods with cell phone cameras that want 15 minutes of fame are what has brought more things to the surface. Crime rates have dropped all over in general, but people truly believe it's worse.

Stats showing that crime rates have dropped, not just in the US. Choose your source....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/gun-crime-drops-but-americans-think-its-worse/2139421/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/25/crime-rate-down-for-third_n_588658.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-12-26/opinions/35285767_1_crime-rates-property-crimes-homicide-rate

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/24/fall-uk-crime-rate-baffles-experts

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/21/crime-rate-down-across-canada/

Even FAUX news thinks so.    

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/09/bullet-point-gun-crimes-dropping-despite-public-perception/

[Mike DC]

                                           
What Old Moparz has been saying. 

The public's perception about crime rates does not always match the reality.   

[twodko]

Def what Myk just said! Same same here.

[polywideblock]

  I know this will set off the bleeding hearts out there but could it be that the "social experiment" of equal rights and civil liberty for all is a failure and some people should just  be put back on the  farm 

[RECHRGD]

Yes, things have always been as bad or worse in densely populated areas in particular.  But, when I moved to the Spokane area 22 years ago they hadn't even had a meth arrest yet.  Now it's a whole different place.  Panhandlers on downtown street corners and the news filled with all the stuff we're talking about here.  I would have to call BS on any report that says our crime rate here is down during that time period.  I agree that the media goes after "the world is falling" stuff.  It sells, always has, alway will.  

[Old Moparz]

Yes, things have always been as bad or worse in densely populated areas in particular.  But, when I moved to the Spokane area 22 years ago they hadn't even had a meth arrest yet.  Now it's a whole different place.  Panhandlers on downtown street corners and the news filled with all the stuff we're talking about here.  I would have to call BS on any report that says our crime rate here is down during that time period.  I agree that the media goes after "the world is falling" stuff.  It sells, always has, alway will.  

You're definitely correct about the media cashing in on what sells.

The thing about stats falling, is that the overall number is down, but there will always be pocket areas that are going to be the opposite. It's no different than when there is a s**thole neighborhood that people have finally had enough with, & a big police crackdown occurs. The crime just moves to a different area where enforcement is weak. I saw it in NYC years ago with Times Square. It was a scum infested area from the late 60's to the mid 80's that is now a big tourist attraction that the cartoon rat mickey owns most of. The degenerates moved to the lower west side, the area that they used to call the "Meat Packing District". That area now is upscale & only the wealthy can afford it. I guess the riff raff went elsewhere.

[twodko]

  I know this will set off the bleeding hearts out there but could it be that the "social experiment" of equal rights and civil liberty for all is a failure and some people should just  be put back on the  farm 

The harsh reality is "throwaway" people should just be put in the ground.

[69rtse4spd]

Scumbags, hang em high.

[Fred]

It really is time we cracked down.

[myk]

It really is time we cracked down.

Agreed, but the rest of the country is hell-bent on trying to understand, sympathize and surround criminals with compassion, love.  Until people re-learn that some human beings just need to be put down, criminals will continue to do as they please...

[Bob]

Another tragedy.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20130824/NEWS05/130824001/VIDEO-Man-charged-death-woman-99-held-without-bail?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

[bull]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

Whoever said that has probably been fired since...

Troy

It is a breakdown in parenting but at the same time the public school system is little more than a laboratory for politically correct social engineering. There's a lot of screwy ideology pounded into their heads each day and the parents (those who care) have tons of nonsense to try to undo when the kids come home. It used to be that they taught the three Rs but now it seems that's secondary to the rest of the BS they're being fed.

[Old Moparz]

My wife (teacher) and I have been saying it for a while and someone in the media just came out and said it this week:

It's a breakdown in PARENTING!  The rest is just an effect/result.....................

Whoever said that has probably been fired since...

Troy

It is a breakdown in parenting but at the same time the public school system is little more than a laboratory for politically correct social engineering. There's a lot of screwy ideology pounded into their heads each day and the parents (those who care) have tons of nonsense to try to undo when the kids come home. It used to be that they taught the three Rs but now it seems that's secondary to the rest of the BS they're being fed.

First I want to say I'm not picking a fight or criticizing, but this is exactly what I was pointing out earlier in regards to the media using scare tactics along with the doom & gloom approach. It's thriving on all the negatives that give people the idea that crime is totally out of control & has increased 75,000 times since 2 months ago while it's actually decreased. People are convinced that every single public school has a crack den for the kids or a teacher's lounge with strippers. Or that they need armed guards with tear gas & metal detectors to protect the principal that just expelled 93 students because they wished a teacher a Merry Christmas instead of saying the politically correct term of Happy Holidays. 

I do think that some schools go overboard on trying to "not offend" every person, but the reality isn't that ALL schools are like that. The public school my daughter goes to doesn't have a problem with Christmas decorations in the school. There are a few blanket rules that may defy common sense, like t-shirts with certain pictures or symbols, but rules like that are rarely enforced & reserved for when there is an obscenity issue with 4 letter words. The high school she is starting next month will have close to 4000 students. Of course s**t is going to happen, the law of averages allow it when you put that many people together.

My wife & I stay involved with the schools so we know what's going on but many parents don't. The parent teacher nights are sad when you know there are a certain number of kids in the class, say 25 or so & only 5 parents show up. Some work, some don't exist & some don't care but you can't assume that ALL public schools are the same because you read about one in the middle of nowhere across the country that has a law suit over some ridiculous rule or ruffled parent with no common sense. 

[bull]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

Also, it should be pointed out that crime is not the only gauge of a breakdown in morality since too often the laws on the books now are ignored, have been or are in the process of being eliminated. Make more things legal and the crime rate drops - it's magic! The fact that these teens even considered doing what they did, and seemed to have no idea or concern for what this vet had gone through to protect their pre-crime freedom, speaks volumes.

[Old Moparz]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

You can paint? 

I need help staining my siding if you have time.   

The school funding will be completely gone in a few years so it won't matter.

[bull]

Ok, I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush since much of the standards are created on a state-by-state/school-by-school basis. In my area it has gotten pretty out of hand but I live in dirty old hippie central. However, unless the overall trend changes, along with dedicated and specific funding from the feds, you can bet the nonsense will be coming to a school near you real soon.

You can paint? 

I need help staining my siding if you have time.   

The school funding will be completely gone in a few years so it won't matter.

I added more. Be sure to check it out for brush marks.

[chargerboy69]

Now the animals are saying they were buying crack from the 88 year old vet, and it was a drug deal gone bad. 

They said he "stiffed" them on a crack sale. .  So what I take from it is it was the old mans fault, they are taking no responsibility. . . they were cheated.    The funny part about this accusation is even the punks own lawyer doesn't buy it.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/accused-teen-murderer-claims-they-were-buying-crack-from-88-year-old-wwii-vet-delbert-belton/

[ACUDANUT]

Yea, that's BS and they need to hang.

[JB400]

So, now they're wanting to be convicted of murder and attempting to purchase drugs?  Sounds like another loop on the noose.

[Tilar]

And to think, Most of this could have been handled at home with a father and mother both in the home and a good leather belt hanging up where all the little heathens could see it AND use the damn think when needed. Spare the rod, spoil the brat.....

[Fred]

I hang my head in shame for what mankind has become.

[bull]

Dead men tell no tales.

Remember that if you're ever involved in a home defense situation. And don't shoot unless they're in the kitchen or bathroom - blood is much easier to clean off vinyl than carpet.

[Dino]

I hang my head in shame for what mankind has become.

I hang my head in shame for what it always has been.  All you can do is be the best person you can be, everything else is out of your hands.

Very, very sad. 

[Fred]

You're quite right Dino, Nothing's really changed over the ages. Men have been killing and pillaging since the beginning of time. It was a barbaric way of life but it was called existing.
What do we call it today.......surely not civilisation. We haven't come very far and it seems we've learned very little.

[NJRBros]

The bad things exist today just like they always have, it's just covered better.

These are almost my exact thoughts.  I've noticed that the media has been focusing more and more on murders and crime, probably just because they've noticed it gets them more viewers.  Naturally if you start hearing about it more often, you'd assume it's actually happening more often.  I think people were more sheltered from the truth 'back then' because of communication limitations. Due to the many types of communication available to almost everyone today (Specifically the internet), news that would've normally stayed within a certain community gets spread around the world in a matter of minutes.

Of course with the increase in media coverage, there will be an increase in mass murder attempts due to more pathetic losers wanting to become famous.

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

[Mopar Nut]

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

In reality, both parents these days are working to make ends meet. I know this is not an excuse, but the kids don't have the guidance they once had. 

[polywideblock]

EDIT: I also agree that parents seem to be taking less responsibility in raising their children. They focus more on being 'friends' with their kids causing them to become more spoiled. Being only 20 years old however, I'd also like to defend my age group a bit and say that there are PLENTY of us that don't act like this so please stop generalizing  .  That just pushes everyone further apart. 

In reality, both parents these days are working to make ends meet. I know this is not an excuse, but the kids don't have the guidance they once had. 

                  don't know about over there but cops being able to give you a kick up the backside and telling you to go home was a real quick learning curve when I was growing up .      I think cops should be given back the right to administer on the spot "justice" for minor misdemeanours like graffiti etc. ,a swift kick in the britches ! instead of pschyco evaluation  etc. etc.

[Mopar Nut]

                  don't know about over there but cops being able to give you a kick up the backside and telling you to go home was a real quick learning curve when I was growing up .      I think cops should be given back the right to administer on the spot "justice" for minor misdemeanours like graffiti etc. ,a swift kick in the britches ! instead of pschyco evaluation  etc. etc.

How true and give the principle back the paddle rights too.

[polywideblock]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

[Mopar Nut]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

Back in the 70's I lived/went to a private school in Singapore. You did not get away with nothing there. They need to bring discipline back into the schools.

[polywideblock]

went   to a "brothers " run high school they didn't spare the cane     learnt real quick to do as I was told in class . maybe "national service " straight after high school  would be another option and would  sort a lot of them out I think, they just need a direction instead of be "cut loose " after graduation from  school   

[myk]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

Back in the 70's I lived/went to a private school in Singapore. You did not get away with nothing there. They need to bring discipline back into the schools.

No.  We cannot run the risk of hurting a child's FEELINGS...

[Fred]

yea all the experiment of no corporal punishment in schools  has done is stop the learning of respect for authority  at the appropriate age   

Back in the 70's I lived/went to a private school in Singapore. You did not get away with nothing there. They need to bring discipline back into the schools.

No.  We cannot run the risk of hurting a child's FEELINGS...

Instead lets help them out financially so that they can divorce their parents because they're being unwillingly disciplined. (when I say we I'm referring to the government)