DOH

[hawkeye]

Just read the thread about the start of the DOH.  Didn't want to hijack that one but it got me to thinking.  What did that show do to the value of 2nd gen chargers today?  I feel it has added 20% to 30% to their value.  They always (at least in my mind) were an iconic car but this current glut of Bo and Luke want-to-bees has got to have affected the market.  What do you guys think?

[1974dodgecharger]

Yes, they popularize the 2nd gens but u can't popularize a car people don't like.  The 2nd gens have always gotten more love than any other gen in general just getting people to notice them gives them more value.

[GOTWING]

Dmcl did it for me not doh

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Another dukes thread. 

[Mike DC]

  
The whole subject of DOH and Charger values has been debated ad nauseam.  (Along with the pros and cons of the show wrecking so many cars versus causing so many others to be restored later, etc.)  


My two cents:

DOH probably inflates the values of scruffy buildable 318/auto '69 cars quite a bit, and to some extent the '68s too.  But the show's effect on a nice 1970 R/T has probably never been much at all.  The car was a star before DOH and it would still be one without it.  DOH mainly gave it more exposure/appeal among a younger generation than it might have had otherwise.  



Aside from about 1975-85, 2nd-gen Chargers have really never been "cheap."  People have a way of remembering things being cheap "back in the day" but that's rose-colored glasses for the most part.

In the early '70s a nice Charger still cost a lot for a used Dodge 2dr sedan.  By the later 1980s the values had already passed their low point and the nicer cars were already appreciating fast.  The kids heavily affected by DOH were still decades away from affecting Charger prices but the cars were no longer throwaways.  The modern era of collectible muscle cars with crazy-high prices just because of the VIN number alone . . . this was well in gear by the early 1990s.      



Sometimes people talk nostalgically about Charger prices as recent as the late 1990s.  I have to call bullshit on that.  I remember those days and nobody thought Charger prices were cheap at the time.  The numbers sound low because of subsequent inflation, not because they were really low.  

The average car also received less resto work then.  A "decent" car cost less because our idea of a decent car was not as thoroughly restored as it is now.  Any car that had been giving a total redo (like the "average" car has had by now) was a lot of money then too.

[Cooter]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

[charge69]

I think I've got some factory air around here somewhere !    If not, I could always use the "hot air" generated by a number of the usual posters around here and say it's original DodgeCharger.com air!  Most people would understand, for sure!

[Cooter]

Just read the thread about the start of the DOH.  Didn't want to hijack that one but it got me to thinking.  What did that show do to the value of 2nd gen chargers today?  I feel it has added 20% to 30% to their value.  They always (at least in my mind) were an iconic car but this current glut of Bo and Luke want-to-bees has got to have affected the market.  What do you guys think?

yes, you are correct. Howeverin my opinion, the value of 2nd gen chargers has to do with both the popularity and the lack of affordable cars. Ihave seen first hand this when a hemi this or six pack that shows at shows. Everyone is quick to acuse DOH fans snd owners of GLs of being attention chasers.  Ok that hemi charger could have been shown just as easily with a 318. Why go for the hemi?    Only time this "bo and luke wannabe"sees any issue is when the GL outshines that hemi for popularity.  And it costs about 20 times less than the hemi, even with the 30% value increase.  I offer the post above as proof of this theory. Just sayin.  The GL people don't post like this in the literally 1000s of threads discussing which Wheels have the correct freaking codes.

[JB400]

So much for having a peaceful DOH thread


I doubt that there is much of doh factor anymore.  The movies were bad and didn't really glorify the car that much.  If the movies had a better plot and characters, then there might be more of an impact on the hobby.  Being the shows are no longer on tv, the doh is a waning tide.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

Can't remember the last time I read one of those Ace. 

[Cooter]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

Can't remember the last time I read one of those Ace. 

your thread is like what 9 pages long now?LMFAO!

[Cooter]

So much for having a peaceful DOH thread

I hear 'ya Stroker.  
Well, I do not post replies in someone's Hemi Charger, One of three built, Whatever thread like...."Oh boy, another Hemi charger, what's it worth, barn find"  

I for one am tired of seeing this sh*t and how many times does this crap have to happen before these armchair bandits learn that Newbies will ask about the DOH, and they learn to deal with it??? NOTHING Charger should be taboo here. Am I wrong in this thinking??? If so, then please let me get a list together of taboo subjects that I would like NOT to be discussed here. (I have plenty).

I deal with the Hemi stuff, the "OMG, that C500 is so gorgeous, Oh man, I'd love to have that Hemi/six pack" threads. Why do these types have to come into the DOH threads and try to be cute? I know of 6-8 Members that walked off due to this very thing about the DOH. WTF? I thought we were a "Family". A "Brotherhood"...I guess if you ask about the DOH, your the red-headed step child of the "Family" then huh? Someone's gotta stand up for what's right in this h8t. I guess I'm the only one who gives enough of a damn to do it all by myself. All the PMs don't mean Nothing to me if you ain't got the balls to come out and speak up. So, it's only me. I'll make it easy for those who want to try and say that I'm the problem and nobody else seems to think the way I do because they didn't reply here. (Yes, I've been hit with that one here too, bring it on). This ain't right and all who posted negatively know it. They are just turning yet, another thread to sh*t.

No, it has to do with this "Well, I been here since the early days, so that gives me the right to act this way" mentality. BS. I deal with the answering the same questions over and over again to help newbies. NOT posting things like "Do a search, you'll be ok"...That's condescending, rude, and basically, acting like an azz.

[1974dodgecharger]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

Does factory air In The tires increase its value since that air can never be repro?

[Cooter]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

Does factory air In The tires increase its value since that air can never be repro?

No, it is stale, therefore, cannot increase value. Fresh air will always increase values. Afterall, "Stale" things get older quicker, so you have to work at it to increase it's overall value. Plus, due to the moisture content in some factory airs, this can actually decrease value as the OEM wheels tend to rust.

[myk]

I deal with the Hemi stuff, the "OMG, that C500 is so gorgeous, Oh man, I'd love to have that Hemi/six pack" threads. Why do these types have to come into the DOH threads and try to be cute? I know of 6-8 Members that walked off due to this very thing about the DOH. WTF? I thought we were a "Family". A "Brotherhood"...I guess if you ask about the DOH, your the red-headed step child of the "Family" then huh?

Oh it's a brotherhood and a family alright, and you can be a part of it as long as you've got the right car and the proper elitist-snob attitude to go along with it.  But...I don't worry about those guys.  There're plenty of people that are just here for anything Charger and those are the people I care about...

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Another dukes thread.

sucks almost as bad as yet another thread about an all original hemi with the factory air in the tires huh?

Can't remember the last time I read one of those Ace.  

your thread is like what 9 pages long now?LMFAO!

Uh oh it's the weekend and  Cooter started drinking again.

[charge69]

Here .. Here  MYK !!  

I really enjoy the guys that have the "anything Charger" attitude and questions also! I, personally, would not and did not build a DOH car but, more power to those who do!! Their enthusiasm and excitement about their Charger is, definitely, what these cars are supposed to be about and I respect and enjoy this attitude about Chargers, DOH clones or not!

Their always will be the "everything must be factory stock" crowd but, I will never be one of them. I enjoy going to a car show and seeing the result of someone's blood, sweat, and tears build, stock or not! Obviously, they are proud of their restoration and the "personal touches" they made along the way or they would not be there!

I will not pretend to know enough about restoring Chargers to be answering anyone's questions but, I am glad someone here does know the answers. Finding the answers to mine and other people's questions should be the core of this website. Belittling someone else's wishes and/or dreams should not have a place here!

[Back N Black]

So much for having a peaceful DOH thread

I hear 'ya Stroker.  
Well, I do not post replies in someone's Hemi Charger, One of three built, Whatever thread like...."Oh boy, another Hemi charger, what's it worth, barn find"  

I for one am tired of seeing this sh*t and how many times does this crap have to happen before these armchair bandits learn that Newbies will ask about the DOH, and they learn to deal with it??? NOTHING Charger should be taboo here. Am I wrong in this thinking??? If so, then please let me get a list together of taboo subjects that I would like NOT to be discussed here. (I have plenty).

I deal with the Hemi stuff, the "OMG, that C500 is so gorgeous, Oh man, I'd love to have that Hemi/six pack" threads. Why do these types have to come into the DOH threads and try to be cute? I know of 6-8 Members that walked off due to this very thing about the DOH. WTF? I thought we were a "Family". A "Brotherhood"...I guess if you ask about the DOH, your the red-headed step child of the "Family" then huh? Someone's gotta stand up for what's right in this h8t. I guess I'm the only one who gives enough of a damn to do it all by myself. All the PMs don't mean Nothing to me if you ain't got the balls to come out and speak up. So, it's only me. I'll make it easy for those who want to try and say that I'm the problem and nobody else seems to think the way I do because they didn't reply here. (Yes, I've been hit with that one here too, bring it on). This ain't right and all who posted negatively know it. They are just turning yet, another thread to sh*t.

No, it has to do with this "Well, I been here since the early days, so that gives me the right to act this way" mentality. BS. I deal with the answering the same questions over and over again to help newbies. NOT posting things like "Do a search, you'll be ok"...That's condescending, rude, and basically, acting like an azz.

Cooter, people post crap about the GL just to get a rise out of you and it works every time.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Winner winner.......................

[Tilar]

I feel it has added 20% to 30% to their value. 

I think that would be quite a stretch. I think it might add 10% on a good day and only to someone who wanted it strictly because that was what they used to make the General. Many of us loved and wanted these cars long before the DOH ever came along.

[cdr]

i have to admit when i 1st got the charger i have now,i had a bad attitude towards a gen lee,now i can see the good when it comes to saving a 2nd gen, if it's a gen lee or a resto mod or what ever OE GOLD,DONT DOWN someone for their likes. COOTER , MYK & CHARGE69  HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD !!!!!

[ws23rt]

 
The whole subject of DOH and Charger values has been debated ad nauseam.  (Along with the pros and cons of the show wrecking so many cars versus causing so many others to be restored later, etc.)  


My two cents:

DOH probably inflates the values of scruffy buildable 318/auto '69 cars quite a bit, and to some extent the '68s too.  But the show's effect on a nice 1970 R/T has probably never been much at all.  The car was a star before DOH and it would still be one without it.  DOH mainly gave it more exposure/appeal among a younger generation than it might have had otherwise.  



Aside from about 1975-85, 2nd-gen Chargers have really never been "cheap."  People have a way of remembering things being cheap "back in the day" but that's rose-colored glasses for the most part.

In the early '70s a nice Charger still cost a lot for a used Dodge 2dr sedan.  By the later 1980s the values had already passed their low point and the nicer cars were already appreciating fast.  The kids heavily affected by DOH were still decades away from affecting Charger prices but the cars were no longer throwaways.  The modern era of collectible muscle cars with crazy-high prices just because of the VIN number alone . . . this was well in gear by the early 1990s.      



Sometimes people talk nostalgically about Charger prices as recent as the late 1990s.  I have to call bullshit on that.  I remember those days and nobody thought Charger prices were cheap at the time.  The numbers sound low because of subsequent inflation, not because they were really low.  

The average car also received less resto work then.  A "decent" car cost less because our idea of a decent car was not as thoroughly restored as it is now.  Any car that had been giving a total redo (like the "average" car has had by now) was a lot of money then too.

Well said and I remember those times.
The DOH added to the group of people that needed to have one. As far as to it's affect on the market that is a debate that can have no resolution
What's true is both groups are the same group. We like the charger!
The ones that came to like it cause the neighbor had one, or an uncle's friend had one, or they watched the DOH. The are all the same.
If our uncle's friend had a hemi rt than that sticks with us just like a jumper that was just orange and could fly.
It's about the image and style that catches the eye especially when we are early teens.
I would think the DOH folks are a bit younger as a group because of the reruns and the movies. If a poll was taken it should show this.

[Mopar Nut]

Who cares, it's a Dodge Charger, made in AMERICA by Americans period!

Build what you want, this is America.   

BTW, I bought mine because Daisy Duke was in one.  

[ws23rt]

Who cares, it's a Dodge Charger, made in AMERICA by Americans period!

Build what you want, this is America.   

BTW, I bought mine because Daisy Duke was in one.  

And here we have it. I can think of no better reason to implant on a young male. And when she gets old the car will not.

[SUPERSTAR14]

So much for having a peaceful DOH thread

I hear 'ya Stroker.  
Well, I do not post replies in someone's Hemi Charger, One of three built, Whatever thread like...."Oh boy, another Hemi charger, what's it worth, barn find"  

I for one am tired of seeing this sh*t and how many times does this crap have to happen before these armchair bandits learn that Newbies will ask about the DOH, and they learn to deal with it??? NOTHING Charger should be taboo here. Am I wrong in this thinking??? If so, then please let me get a list together of taboo subjects that I would like NOT to be discussed here. (I have plenty).

I deal with the Hemi stuff, the "OMG, that C500 is so gorgeous, Oh man, I'd love to have that Hemi/six pack" threads. Why do these types have to come into the DOH threads and try to be cute? I know of 6-8 Members that walked off due to this very thing about the DOH. WTF? I thought we were a "Family". A "Brotherhood"...I guess if you ask about the DOH, your the red-headed step child of the "Family" then huh? Someone's gotta stand up for what's right in this h8t. I guess I'm the only one who gives enough of a damn to do it all by myself. All the PMs don't mean Nothing to me if you ain't got the balls to come out and speak up. So, it's only me. I'll make it easy for those who want to try and say that I'm the problem and nobody else seems to think the way I do because they didn't reply here. (Yes, I've been hit with that one here too, bring it on). This ain't right and all who posted negatively know it. They are just turning yet, another thread to sh*t.

No, it has to do with this "Well, I been here since the early days, so that gives me the right to act this way" mentality. BS. I deal with the answering the same questions over and over again to help newbies. NOT posting things like "Do a search, you'll be ok"...That's condescending, rude, and basically, acting like an azz.

Cooter I stand with you, It's quite possible we are brothers from other mothers. lol. I am 42, grew up watching the dukes, fell in love with the General, I feel like no one can relate to that car as well as I can.
I grew up driving muscle cars, plenty of 'em, they were cheap when I was coming of age, never had the opportunity to buy a charger but was always a dream to own one. Fast forward a few years and 2 kids, the muscle car market here in MN got so out of control with "purists" it took the fun out of wanting to get another. I got into street rods, met some great people, and enjoyed the cars, all of them! Because they are all different and follow no rules other than HAVING FUN. Now that I bought my '69 and have started talking to people about the resto project I find myself not giving ALL the info because I know some will be turned away. WTF? Are we not suppose to enjoy a car that is not "factory correct"? I do appreciate a numbers matching this, that, or the other but they are not for me. I like individuality. I also think we should all be able to get along whether it's numbers matching or a general or resto mod. We all have a common interest.......CHARGER......So why is there so much hatred towards those that don't build it back to stock? I saw a tubbed out 69 el camino when I was 17, painted on the tail gate in huge letters it said "STOCK SUCKS". I thought it was funny at the time, now I understand it. Some cars need to be stock, most do not. OK, I'm rambling now, better go before I make some friends.
-Pat