Tricky darn police

[Todd Wilson]

I would just as soon handle a situation on my own and not call the cops but I cant. I have to dial 911.  I have to wait for you guys to come shoot the intruder in my house because I cant or you will haul me to jail for shooting them!


Get a grip.....so Atlanta is full of crooked cops too eh?



Todd

Why can't you shoot an intruder in your home?  Cop or not, I'd blow his shit away.   Why are you calling Doug crooked?  Do you know him?  Do you have experience with him being dishonest?  Would you call me crooked as well, simply because I wear a gold star? Honest questions, no sarcasm.

Never did call Doug crooked. Just asked if there were crooked cops in atlanta as well in kansas here. Dont know how calling you crooked came into the picture. But since you brought it up are you a crooked cop?

As far as shooting someone in your house it better be from the front and appear like they are coming at you and going to do harm to you or you will go to jail. You walk into a bedroom and see a thief with his back to you snooping in a closet and you smoke him then you are in trouble. I say anyone breaks into your house can be shot but thats not how the laws works.


Todd

[bad1032]

Live by this moto, Rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6. If it takes killin the SOB, sorry about his luck, see ya in court.

[John_Kunkel]

Until you can have some respect for the law and understand that not all Officers are bad...... please don't call 911.  We shouldn't have to run and rescue a hypocrite just so you can bad mouth me later from the other side of a computer screen.

I think you need to recognize the difference between protecting citizens from the threat of theft/bodily harm, etc. and busting hookers and guys with a couple of joints in their pocket.

As far as calling 911, as others have stated, I would love to protect myself but here in the PRK if you shoot a perp you go to jail with them and then they sue you for injuries when they get out.

[Silver R/T]

I guess they should use that to bust more drug dealers etc. Drugs are bad, Ive seen few people go bad, some even died from it. Just say NO to drugs

[Steve P.]

Damn good reading here.. Many good points. I agree with some and disagree with others. The big thing for me is that the number of accidents in Florida and death related accidents is stagering. Of course not all accidents are caused by people on drugs or booze. BUT those numbers are huge!! They report this on the news often along with the use of seat belts.

Three weeks ago a friend of my 20 year old daughter was killed and his passenger badly hurt as they were both ejected from the car they were driving. It was early on Sunday morning as they were making the trip home from partying Friday and Saturday in Ebor City. They had allready had one accident less than an hour before the fatal crash. They went off the road and hit a road work sign. They stopped as a tire was thumping. They found a bolt sticking out of the tire. Too screwed up to change it they drove on. Suddenly they found themselves out of control. In then out of the median and then airborne and the car was rolling forward bumper to bumper. They were thrown from the car smashing one of them.

Yup, do what you can to get the message across.. 21 years old and no more..

[John_Kunkel]

Of course not all accidents are caused by people on drugs or booze.

Like most, Steve separates booze from drugs; booze is a drug and therein lies the enforcement problem. Adults can go to a liquor store, buy any quantity of booze, get snockered out of their mind and as long as they don't do it in public or drive a vehicle they break no laws.

Substitute "cocaine", "mary-jew-ahna", etc. for booze and you're busted. All are addictive, all are bad for your body and society yet one intoxicant is legal and the others aren't. Total hypocrisy.

The grand experiment known as the Volstead Act proved the fallacy of trying to outlaw the source of peoples' addictions. The old saying goes "Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it" and the current War on Drugs proves that. Billions in wasted dollars and tens of thousands incarcerated for what?

[71Charger500]

A friend of mine was on grand jury duty of six months. He said the number of cases where people committed crimes for drugs or because of drugs was staggering.
An employee I fired last year for doing coke on the job called me last week looking for tax info. He's cleaned up his act, although he is currently under house arrest and wearing a monitor. He told me after I fired him he became a full time coke dealer to support his habit. He's convinced that 90% of all robberies are made by people looking for drug money or items to sell for drug money. He had a few customers that would go through $2,000. of coke in a 24 hour period, and these people had no jobs.
As far as I'm concerned anyone found with coke or heroin should be executed.

Thats the most ignorant thing Ive heard in a while.

[SeattleCharger]

A friend of mine was on grand jury duty of six months. He said the number of cases where people committed crimes for drugs or because of drugs was staggering.
An employee I fired last year for doing coke on the job called me last week looking for tax info. He's cleaned up his act, although he is currently under house arrest and wearing a monitor. He told me after I fired him he became a full time coke dealer to support his habit. He's convinced that 90% of all robberies are made by people looking for drug money or items to sell for drug money. He had a few customers that would go through $2,000. of coke in a 24 hour period, and these people had no jobs.
As far as I'm concerned anyone found with coke or heroin should be executed.

Thats the most ignorant thing Ive heard in a while.

Ya, no doubt, ignorant.   Stop the drugs at the source,  addicts are sick and need treatment.   No excuse for robbery though, tough problem. 

[Charger Aficionado]

  I hate drugs.  They RUINED my life, and I've never had the priveledge to enjoy them lol...  (My ex got into them)...  Now I don't have my son...  I do get two weekends a month...  I guess that is something... But still a life-wrecker for me...  I want him EVERYDAY, >HERE.  I guess she is off of the streetdrugs now, but still abuses Demerol, and Clonapin etc...  Rrrrrr...  I'm ALL FOR P.D. STOPPING those CREEPS that deal it...

[71Charger500]

A friend of mine was on grand jury duty of six months. He said the number of cases where people committed crimes for drugs or because of drugs was staggering.
An employee I fired last year for doing coke on the job called me last week looking for tax info. He's cleaned up his act, although he is currently under house arrest and wearing a monitor. He told me after I fired him he became a full time coke dealer to support his habit. He's convinced that 90% of all robberies are made by people looking for drug money or items to sell for drug money. He had a few customers that would go through $2,000. of coke in a 24 hour period, and these people had no jobs.
As far as I'm concerned anyone found with coke or heroin should be executed.

Thats the most ignorant thing Ive heard in a while.

Ya, no doubt, ignorant.   Stop the drugs at the source,  addicts are sick and need treatment.   No excuse for robbery though, tough problem. 

Perhaps our money would be better spent on a war on crime and drugs and poverty in our OWN country, before we spend it in a war on terror in other countries.  Just my opinion.

[Wakko]

I do agree with that.  George Washington warned not to become the world's policeman...and what have we become..?

[SeattleCharger]

   
           "How did our oil get under their sand?"            

[derailed]

Perhaps our money would be better spent on a war on crime and drugs and poverty in our OWN country, before we spend it in a war on terror in other countries.  Just my opinion.

not to mention the education system.

[itsbacon]

i am a county officer. i cant conduct a d.l. check point without a state trooper because d.l.'s are issued by the state. if i am with a trooper i can demand a d.l for the sole pourpose of checking it, absent of any violation. i can conduct a ''seatbelt'' check point. if i observe any violation inside or on the vehicle i can demand the d.l. in either case, if there is no violation its ''we at the sheriff's office are concerned with your safety, please drive carefully''. if i observe a violation I'll deal with it as i see fit. most cops know the limits of their authority and get the job done within those limits. I'll go out on a limb and say cops are still the good guys.

[Mike DC]

I like the individual police officers just fine 90% of the time. 
I hate many of the municipalities/laws that set everything up.

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I currently live in a safe suburban area that's policed constantly. 
My friend lives in a semi-dangerous ghetto with little police presence.

His current losses from stolen stuff this year?  $100.
My current total from stupid minor traffic tickets & the ensuing lawyers this year?  $800.

There is such a thing as having too much police presence for an area.  Past a certain point it just means the teenagers get extra harassement & the adults get unnessecary minor traffic tickets.  Boss Hogg is a very real problem.

       

[dodgecharger-fan]

Stop the drugs at the source,  addicts are sick and need treatment. No excuse for robbery though, tough problem.

That brings to mind another train of thought....

I agree with the intent of this statement, but one problem with this idea is that some people think that the way to deal with both the source and the treatment is to legalize and control drugs - much like alcohol. Here in Ontario, you buy your booze at the Liquor Control Board of Ontario and your beer at the Beer Store. The bars and restaurants buy from them as well.
Everything is controlled and the government collects their taxes to run the treatment programs (and some).

I don't agree with the idea of legalizing drugs because it doesn't really address the robbery problem, does it?
The addicts will still need money to feed their habit. How will legalizing it change what they do to get that money?
Sure, maybe it will get cheaper, but "cheaper" isn't "free."

At the same time, you don't really hear about a lot of alcohol related crime - in the sense of robberies to obtain alcohol as opposed to alcohol-induced violence or traffic violations..
Is that because we've already accepted alcoholism as a disease and those type of criminal acts are looked upon with pity and everyone does the group hug and that's the end of it? *shrugs*

[Mike DC]

         
A lot of peope want to legalize pot.
They picture a world where that nice dreadlock-wearing Dave Matthews fan in their dorm wouldn't be getting busted anymore. 

Wrong.

It would mean Winston & Marlboro would be marketing packs of joints to 12-year-olds.  And they'd be jacking the stuff up with addictive chemicals so the kids can't quit later.

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Decriminalized drugs?  Yes.

Legalized drugs?  Hell no.

       

[451-74Charger]

My view is that Drugs should be stopped  by any means possible. if that means Checkpoints, im all for it... I have nothing to hide !!!
it SEEMS the people who object probably do.

I will admit that it sounds like there are less than honest officers out there (and I have heard a few stories). But, if you are truthful, have nothing to hide and cooperate, i dont see where you have much to worry about.

In England Cops nearly allways travel in pairs, and if you get stopped by a single cop, usually even if you did something wrong (like speeding) you have a good case to dispute. (only got 1 speeding ticket for 97 in a 70, and I had been doing 115 !). All the other times I got "verbal Warnings".

I guess what im tryng to say, is Keep yourself clean, obey the laws and sleep at night, after all the cops are her to protect us from those that dont, and I have the utmost respect for any man or woman that daily puts THIER life on the line for my well being !!!

[SuBLimE 69]

My view is that Drugs should be stopped  by any means possible. if that means Checkpoints, im all for it... I have nothing to hide !!!
it SEEMS the people who object probably do.

I have the utmost respect for any man or woman that daily puts THIER life on the line for my well being !!!

Thanks,...... These are the type of people I want to work for.  This is the type of support we should generate from more people.

I like the individual police officers just fine 90% of the time. 
I hate many of the municipalities/laws that set everything up.

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I currently live in a safe suburban area that's policed constantly. 
My friend lives in a semi-dangerous ghetto with little police presence.

His current losses from stolen stuff this year?  $100.
My current total from stupid minor traffic tickets & the ensuing lawyers this year?  $800.

There is such a thing as having too much police presence for an area.  Past a certain point it just means the teenagers get extra harassement & the adults get unnessecary minor traffic tickets. Boss Hogg is a very real problem.

       

Just when I thought you were a complete moron you said something I halfway agree with.  Yes, you can put to many to many traffic cops in one area but never to many "real cops".  Real cops go look for crime and enforce traffic laws that should be enforced, such as running through the red light after it has been red for seconds not while it is turning red....hell we all do that.  Not speeding 10 or 12 mph over...maybe even 15.  Hell I do that everyday !  Now 20, 25+ and faster needs a ticket.  Whats you F'ing excusse at that point ?  You know its considerably faster than the posted speed so if you arent willing to sign my driving award ....don't drive that damn fast.  Expired tag......I paid for mine on time so you had better do it too.   If you drive an Escalade and you "tag tax" is too expensive buy a car you can afford.  You get the point correct...some violations should be enforced but the guy who stops grandma for her "jesus loves me" tag frame blocking her expiration sticker is an asshole cop....plain and simple.  They are out there and I hate they have the job because they make the rest of the "real cops" look bad.

I agree to "legalize" would only cause greater problems.  Easy access for children would be a huge problem and the Driving under the influence of Alcohol and Drugs or the two in combination would go throught the damn roof.  Harrassing teenagers huh.  Since when do they not need it a little "positive influence" ?  Some of the worst stuff I ever did was during my teenage years.  Man I was the worst and if you knew half the things I did you would never believe I was a cop now.  I'll keep those to myself but gives you a hint.  Several Felonies....more like a S-load of them..... Never caught thank god.  If your teenagers are out late....real late, I am gonna stop them...(for a traffic violation of course) and make sure they half thier Shet together and not out drinking and driving, smoking dope, robbing the gas station, stealing car stereos ect.  I have no problem with kids running around and having fun...they need to half fun.  Some of my best years were under 21 running the streets with my buddies, driving from one kids house to the next building faster cars, burning the tires off them in front of the band nerds house ect.  Thats what kids do and I understand this.  Short example:  Friday night high traffic area.  Early 90s fox body Mustang (trunk model) sliver is sitting at a light by himself except for his buddy behind him and a few car approaching the light. Light goes green and he nails it.  the tires go straight up in the air and the damn bumper nearly hits the ground.  it was F-ing beautiful !  but then the traffic that was in the area like mom and dad with the mini van full of kids, grandma and grampa goes to dinner ect are all looking at me like DO SOMETHING ! and I remeber the car I am driving says POLICE down the side.  I catch the kid and stop him.  Slicks, NOS, 4 link, roll cage, 500 something inchs of motor.....two other kids wedged in the back sitting on the mini tub humps with no damn seat belts.  Now, I had a car very similar to this kids .... just not a full drag car and it brought some good time to mind.  I had this lil shet and all his buddys doing push ups and singing stupid songs.  I made them run wind sprints in the parking lot and do jumping jacks ect. while thier buddy drove by honking and laughing.....along with hundreds of other people. I told him he was a dumbass for acting that that on the street with so many people around and to call someone with a trailor to come get his car and his dumbass.  I could have charged him and taken his license and cost hima  ton of money.  Even a trip to the jail.  That "lil bastard"  wokrs for the Police dept now and had to ride with me all last week.  I was right....he was a  good kid just acted stupid and got caught.

[Iceyone]

Back in August 2004, I was towing my freshly purchased 70 Super Bee back to Iowa from Las Cruces, New Mexico through Oklahoma City when I got pulled over by a cop for supposedly failing to maintain my own lane (it was a really windy morning and I was driving a Chevy Tahoe). Myself, wife and my father were all wearing our seat belts, I had proof of insurance, valid registration, valid D. License, and the signed title to the Bee, all in my possession. The Cop wanted to search the Bee for "drugs" since I'd bought it so close to the Mexico border. I was really hoping he wouldn't find anything because all I did was drive it up on the u-haul trailer, tie it down and then proceed to drive back home. Anyway, he spent a whole 3 minutes "searching" my car without even bothering to look in the Tahoe. He came back to the window and said "It looks like you got a project there" as he handed me a warning ticket. I'm pretty sure he just wanted to look at the car. I was courteous to him the whole time and drove off without further incident.   

[Wakko]

Hmm...maybe I should get bales of oregano and put them in the trunk of an old car and trailer it around.  Some rookie cop would think he's made the bust of a lifetime and "Um, it's oregano."  "Oh, shit.  Sorry for the beating."  "No problem.  Have a nice day."

[last426]

I was choosing a topic to judge in a moot court competition and one of the subjects was "Ruse Drug Checkpoints."  I had never heard of such a thing so looked it up.  Now what do you think of this?

Seems in several states cops have been putting up signs on the freeway that a drug checkpoint with drug dogs is coming up ahead and then when the drivers take off on the next exit before the "checkpoint", they use that for probable cause to pull the driver over.  Or they simply watch for the driver to throw stuff out of the car and then nab him for littering, check the litter and double nab.  The intriguing point is that the Supreme Court has ruled drug checkpoints are not legal, so they could not even legally do what they are pretending to do.  Something about this just doesn't seem fair, though it is interesting.  No?  Kim

Are you in law school?     Just curious.   

Not to resurrect the original posting but no, I am not in law school.  Kim www.marlia.com

[Charger_Fan]

But were you in law school last year when this thread was alive??

[last426]

But were you in law school last year when this thread was alive??

No I wasn't.  I got out of law school in 1990 and now just volunteer time to go back and judge moot court.  Kim

[Heck2G14]

If your not doing anything wrong whats the deal? I'm yet to see a drug user/ seller wearing a shirt that states what they are in a car that states what they are and tells the truth to all questions.  So police are suppose to use the same tactics and still provide a service to their community and justify their job and make sure no ones rights are violated.  I'm sorry but that just stacks the chips against them.  Those officers dont make the laws and they dont convict all they simply do is consider evidence at hand and charge. Tricky Darnj Police???  what do you suggest they stand on roadside holding a sign requesting you to pull over if you are a violator.  And if their tactic you claim is tricky gets drugs off the street one way or another all I got to say is THANK YOU!!!