Crash at SFO

[twodko]

This just in............

An Asiana 777 crashed at San Francisco international airport while landing. No word on lost souls or injuries.

[flyinlow]

First reports from passengers were that they felt that everybody got off.

Looks like for whatever reason it landed short and the tail hit the breakwater . That runway , 28 L has a displaced threshold.

[polywideblock]

news here is  saying 2 dead + 10 critical , prayers for their families

[marshallfry01]

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but how many folks on here are pilots? I'm a student pilot myself. I'm working all the way up to my commercial at HSU in the next two years. 

[Tilar]

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but how many folks on here are pilots? I'm a student pilot myself. I'm working all the way up to my commercial at HSU in the next two years. 

I play with Microsoft's Flight Simulator, does that count?   

[flyinlow]

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but how many folks on here are pilots? I'm a student pilot myself. I'm working all the way up to my commercial at HSU in the next two years. 

There are several.  I am one.

[mauve66]

i keep waiting for someone to ask while i'm on a plane, THEN i'm a pilot

[twodko]

(Reuters) - An emergency vehicle rushing to the scene of the Asiana Airlines crash at San Francisco's international airport may have run over one of the two teenage Chinese girls killed in the incident, the local fire department said on Sunday.

San Francisco's medical examiner is now conducting an autopsy to determine the cause of the girl's death, fire department spokeswoman Mindy Talmadge said.

"One of the deceased did have injuries consistent with those of having been run over by a vehicle," Talmadge said. "Many agencies were on the field yesterday."

Asiana Flight 214 crashed on landing on Saturday, killing the two 16-year-old students from eastern China and injuring more than 180 other people.

Eyewitnesses and survivors have described a scene of chaos in the aftermath of the crash as emergency responders scrambled to aid passengers fleeing the plane.

[ACUDANUT]

Doesn't the airport have a full time dvr to record every plane coming and going. ? I would like to see how these "pilots" tried to land a perfectly good airplane. 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Now they are saying that the pilot was in training. WTF???

[GOTWING]

the pilot had 10,000 hours and another co pilot had like only 40 something hours. The plane came in to slow.. although tragic for the two girls, it could have been worse with over 300 people on board.

[flyinlow]

(Reuters) - An emergency vehicle rushing to the scene of the Asiana Airlines crash at San Francisco's international airport may have run over one of the two teenage Chinese girls killed in the incident, the local fire department said on Sunday.

San Francisco's medical examiner is now conducting an autopsy to determine the cause of the girl's death, fire department spokeswoman Mindy Talmadge said.

"One of the deceased did have injuries consistent with those of having been run over by a vehicle," Talmadge said. "Many agencies were on the field yesterday."

Asiana Flight 214 crashed on landing on Saturday, killing the two 16-year-old students from eastern China and injuring more than 180 other people.

Eyewitnesses and survivors have described a scene of chaos in the aftermath of the crash as emergency responders scrambled to aid passengers fleeing the plane.

That's tragic.  Evacuating an aircraft is not ever taken lightly. Injuries almost always occur just from the evacuation. A wide body aircraft with its taller deck height makes it worse.
This aircraft appeared to have its landing gear collapsed or sheared off, so it was resting on its belly. I see fire and rescue teams practicing at airports regularly. However actual events are very rare. I imagine there would be an adrenaline rush in an real event.

[ACUDANUT]

the pilot had 10,000 hours and another co pilot had like only 40 something hours. The plane came in to slow.. although tragic for the two girls, it could have been worse with over 300 people on board.

Yea, the idiot landing the 777 was the one with 40 hours training. WTF.  Why didn't the other Pilot with 10K hours take over ?

[Brock Samson]

My Gal. (A Nurse) worked on some of the injuries.. I saw video of the Emergency Vehicles coming up to the crash scene and they came in hard and fast right up to the ramps, the grass was high and if a 16 Yr. old was laying down it's not hard to figure how it could happen.. I thought they kicked richard cranium off the site for being a jerk?..

[polywideblock]

pilot had 9000 hours in other planes, was in training for this type of plane

[twodko]

Turns out the ILS for that runway was not operational. Pilots have GPS based glide path recommendations too but each pilot & right seat are required to calculate their own glide path as well using visual and instrumentation indications. Lastly the those two runway "heads" were moved several yards to accommodate runway improvements. Bad juju across the board.

Cranium, the pix you posted was way out of line. Grow up.

[Ponch ®]

Korean airlines have a long history of crashes (just look it up on wikipedia) resulting from pilot error which could have been avoided were it not for cultural traits. A lower ranking officer may notice something is wrong and may mention it to the captain, but if the captain brushed it off, the lower ranking pilot wouldn't push the issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_801

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509

[Troy]

I haven't been following closely but heard on the news this morning (while I was partially asleep) that there was evidence that the main gear hit that sea wall which bounced the plane. It didn't say whether the tail broke off on that impact or when the plane hit the ground after the bounce. It does explain (to me any way) why the plane stopped so quickly (and also why some passengers reported that the plane "flipped"). Those guys were waaaaay low! Had they been lower the outcome would have been drastically different. Being over water, even the window passengers probably didn't realize they were about to hit.

Troy

[Ponch ®]

I thought they kicked richard cranium off the site for being a jerk?..

they should kick him out again for not funny.

anyway...

http://jalopnik.com/cnn-video-shows-impact-of-asiana-airlines-flight-214-694983955

[Troy]

I typed this yesterday but apparently didn't post...

I haven't been following closely but I heard on the news that there was evidence that the main gear hit that sea wall and the plane bounced. That would explain (to me any way) why some passengers reported that the plane "flipped" and also the relatively short distance to stop. Those guys came in waaaaaaay low!

Troy

[Troy]

Interesting video reconstruction of the crash. Blue plane designates a "normal" glide path.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhoAfgYhhs0

Troy

[flyinlow]

If that is an accurate reconstruction from the Flight Data Recorder , that is bad. Low and slow with the engines unspooled.

Most Airlines require their Pilots to fly stabilized approaches. On a nice day from a 1000 feet or more above the runway (about 70 seconds to land) you want the gear and flaps down and the aircraft at its target speed , VREF +5 knots. That's velocity reference (about 25% about real stall speed) plus 5 knots. This is displayed on the airspeed indicators and the area slower than that is typically in yellow, orange or red hash marks. You will also get a stall warning and stick shaker as you approach true stall speed. Some aircraft give you low energy warnings as well.   If the weather is bad you must be stabilized farther out.
Turbofan engines accelerate slowly at lower power levels, idle to about 20% power . Above that they respond more quickly like a car engine. On a stable approach the engines are about 30% power to descend down the glide path. The engines would respond quickly if needed for more power. If at idle they can take a few seconds to spool up . A long time if you need the power now. The Pilot not flying the aircraft should always monitor the one flying.

These are just a few of the basic concerns on an approach .

[ACUDANUT]

Now they are saying that the pilot was in training. WTF???

Either way, it was "PILOT in training"  error.