Fuel lines, pre-bent or universal?

[Dino]

What do you guys buy for your 2nd gen?  The pre-bent lines from Right stuff or other?  Or universal lines you bend yourself? 

On R/T's, do the inlet and return run side by side?  I only have the 5/16" line running along the passenger side rocker at this time.  Does the 3/8" kit clip you find on ebay include clips for the 3/8" line only or 3/8 and 1/4 both?

Yesterday I noticed a pretty big dent in my tank so I'll get a new one, new sending unit, new lines everywhere and while I'm at it, I may swap out the pump as well.

[maxwellwedge]

Go pre-bent......not sure who has the better stuff right now but get the proper clip kit with it. I posted pics of the routing somewhere on this forum - probably around a year ago.

If your sender is working - re-use it! The new ones don't work worth a s^i*!!!!

[Dino]

Go pre-bent......not sure who has the better stuff right now but get the proper clip kit with it. I posted pics of the routing somewhere on this forum - probably around a year ago.

If your sender is working - re-use it! The new ones don't work worth a s^i*!!!!

It works but only has a single 5/16 inlet.  The problem with the new units is that the ohm don't match the gauge.  My fuel gauge is not working properly so I will likely end up finding a fuel gauge that matches the sending unit's ohm and then I can overlay the stock fuel gauge front to make it appear stock.  This is all theoretical by the way but I think, with anopen mind, I can get this to work.  I would like to do the same with oil pressure and temp so they are finally giving me a true reading.  Right now they're all off.

[maxwellwedge]

Oh yeah - forgot about the size.

Here is the link to the pics I posted.  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86882.msg980700.html#msg980700

[Ghoste]

Pre bent for sure.

[Dino]

Oh yeah - forgot about the size.

Here is the link to the pics I posted.  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86882.msg980700.html#msg980700

Great pics!   

Now I can see if the clips would hold both lines or not.  Thanks!

Pre bent for sure.

I was going to order some from Summit but they want $19 per line for oversized shipping and do not combine. Weird, but it may be like that everywhere.   

[ottawamerc]

I went with 3/8 line in a roll and followed the original locations. It was easy and very cost effective, just my 

[ws23rt]

I suspect that if you went with the pre bent lines by the time it was all hooked up you may think you could have done just fine with a roll of tube and a bender. Maybe better.

[1974dodgecharger]

saw some ebay dino some stainless and regular ones stainless has a 20 dollar diff I believe I plan to get the 3/8.  I plan to buy some also since I have my fuel tank all taken apart and bought a new one.

Oh yeah - forgot about the size.

Here is the link to the pics I posted.  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86882.msg980700.html#msg980700

Great pics!   

Now I can see if the clips would hold both lines or not.  Thanks!

Pre bent for sure.

I was going to order some from Summit but they want $19 per line for oversized shipping and do not combine. Weird, but it may be like that everywhere.   

[flyinlow]

I used pre bent stainless from the Right Stuff. They are local for me. Good price at the winter Mopar swap meet in Columbus. Brake lines fit great, fuel lines needed some work. Stainless is a pain to bend or flare. If you are good with a bender and flaring tool you can do it yourself with galvanized steel lines.

I have had good luck with the two Spectre Tanks I have installed. Made in Canada . Haven't replaced either Charger tank yet.   

[1974dodgecharger]

I used pre bent stainless from the Right Stuff. They are local for me. Good price at the winter Mopar swap meet in Columbus. Brake lines fit great, fuel lines needed some work. Stainless is a pain to bend or flare. If you are good with a bender and flaring tool you can do it yourself with galvanized steel lines.

I have had good luck with the two Spectre Tanks I have installed. Made in Canada . Haven't replaced either Charger tank yet.   

what kind of work was needed on the fuel lines?  pretty bad?

My tank came in today and it weights more than my current tank with 1 gallon of gas in it and feels thicker and well more sturdier!  My one I have in right now is made in canada does not leak or anything, but I could indent the gas tank with my hands if I wanted to...weird.

[fy469rtse]

I went with a roll dino and hand benders because I put frame connectors in and wanted to run new lines on a different path down beside frame connectors, easy to do with car up on stands, galvanised line ok, the original set lasted this long yes , so stainless is great but over kill

[Dino]

Yeah I didn't think stainless is a must here.  I find most of the lines are aluminum though so I'll have to look for galanized steel instead.  My tank has a dent that has been there for who knows how long.  I guess I can keep it for now seeing it functions.  I can swap the tank when I do major surgery on the car but have not decided yet.  I may want to spend money on the things that are more pressing.  Can you swap the sending unit and run the lines with the tank in and the car on stands?  If not then it's decided!

Since there is no coiled 1/4" line available can I use 5/16" for the return line?  Am I supposed to use rubber hose from the hard lines to the pump and sending unit?  Do I need to flare the hard line ends for that in any way or just slide on a hose and clamp it?  Are there any aftermarket clips that work well for a 2nd gen?  Something that holds both lines?

[maxwellwedge]

You will be a lot happier if you get the complete 69 kit in steel (factory was steel) which will be the return line and all the clips as well. You may want the 70 kit which will be a 3/8" line vs the 5/16" 69 stuff. The 5/16" line is plenty big enough for a warmed over 440.....it was what was on the A12 440-6 cars.

[Dino]

You will be a lot happier if you get the complete 69 kit in steel (factory was steel) which will be the return line and all the clips as well. You may want the 70 kit which will be a 3/8" line vs the 5/16" 69 stuff. The 5/16" line is plenty big enough for a warmed over 440.....it was what was on the A12 440-6 cars.

I will go with steel, just not sure if I want the pre-bent or not.  Since I have to swap the sending unit to have a return line should I not replace the 5/16 line with a 3/8 line or do you think it won't matter?  I have been running a 5/16 line all this time without issues and I don't think the current fuerl issue is because of the line either.  HeckI can hook up the separator and cap the return nipple can't I?  Maybe I should try that before I do anything else.

It would be nice if I could keep the stock sending unit.

[Back N Black]

Where is the dent in you tank? Maybe that's why you gauge is not reading properly?? just a thought....

[Dino]

Where is the dent in you tank? Maybe that's why you gauge is not reading properly?? just a thought....

Good point.  Driver's sdie, flat part on the bottom.  I can stick my finger between tank and strap on that side.  My fuel gauge always read 3/4 when the tank was full.  I redid my gauges and thought I had calibrated it correctly but now it reads almost a quarter full when the tank is full.   

The problem here may be both gauge and sending unit really.

[maxwellwedge]

You will be a lot happier if you get the complete 69 kit in steel (factory was steel) which will be the return line and all the clips as well. You may want the 70 kit which will be a 3/8" line vs the 5/16" 69 stuff. The 5/16" line is plenty big enough for a warmed over 440.....it was what was on the A12 440-6 cars.

I will go with steel, just not sure if I want the pre-bent or not.  Since I have to swap the sending unit to have a return line should I not replace the 5/16 line with a 3/8 line or do you think it won't matter?  I have been running a 5/16 line all this time without issues and I don't think the current fuerl issue is because of the line either.  HeckI can hook up the separator and cap the return nipple can't I?  Maybe I should try that before I do anything else.

It would be nice if I could keep the stock sending unit.

Yes - you can keep the existing 5/16" line as that was what came stock on 440HP cars up to 1969. You can add the return line to that with the correct clips. But.......if you are not using the sender with the two nipples there is no point on adding the return line or a vapor separator for that matter.

[flyinlow]

what kind of work was needed on the fuel lines?  pretty bad?

Yea , didn't look like it was for my car. As you know 73-74's are sometimes different  The Right stuff checked the number on the box, it was correct  and offered an exchange or refund. Ended up using the fuel line for an other project. Stainless is hard to flare and bend. I put 3/8 aluminum on instead... Brake lines fit well.

[Brightyellow69rtse]

i got a roll of steel 3/8 and bent it by hand. it came out pretty good too.

[ottawamerc]

When I did mine I used the 3/8s line pumps push better that suck so the least restrictive on the suction the better. I left the stock 5/16 fuel pickup in the tank but added a electric fuel pump at the tank also so no flow issues here

[PlainfieldCharger]

Fine Lines  Pre-Bent 3/8 with return line. Went in nice and looks great.

[Dino]

Since the rolls of line are not that much of a money saver I think I'll order the pre-bent lines, a new sending unit and the clips.  I'm going to drop the tank and see if it needs replacing or not, I can get the dent out pretty easily but once it's out it'll be easy to check everything else.  I'll also check the fuel pump for flow and the push rod for wear and replace if needed.

Last night I crawled under the car and found that the brake distribution block on the rear axle is leaking.  Strangely enough the brakes work so not sure how that happened but it'll need some attention so I might as well do the entrie brake system and get those discs on. 

I think that once I have this car on stands, it will not see the road anymore this year.  I hate leaving it parked but it'll mean that it will be in really good shape by next season.  I can't fix things when I'm driving it all the time. 

[1974dodgecharger]

That's how mine is once I started I saw one thing to upgrade then dug in deeper i said mind as well upgrade that too then another and another she has not seen the road for 5 weeks now and she was running fine before.

[Dino]

That's how mine is once I started I saw one thing to upgrade then dug in deeper i said mind as well upgrade that too then another and another she has not seen the road for 5 weeks now and she was running fine before.

I've been known to start work on one small part and end up taking the whole car apart, I need to make sure I don't do that or the Charger is going to turn into a lawn ornament!   

My car runs fine for the most part but now that I have that stumble issue in 3rd I need to fix it.  I have numerous boxes of parts, new and restored old, that need to go on the car.  New shocks, new brakes, vapor separator, power windows, locks, alarm.  The list goes on for a while.  I will never do all this if I keep it on the road so as long as I stick to the plan I should be okay.  If I do find something that needs attention then that's just how it is, better to find it now instead of on the road.