New Charger Weight

[Big Lebowski]

I think 'ugly' weighs a lot.

  The back doors are made of solid gold, that's why it weighs so much.

[chargermad890]

i think the new charger is a joke, i also think they could have sold millions if they did something like ford did what the mustang, but they didn't, but maybe that new challenger will    06 srt8 charger 425hp/4200ilbs  69 hemi r/t 4 speed 425hp, i believe its closer to 500hp 425-500hp/3780ilbs, something tells me i think think the old is faster and better than the new.

[Silver R/T]

totally agree ^^^^^

[TheGhost]

06 srt8 charger 425hp/4200ilbs  69 hemi r/t 4 speed 425hp, i believe its closer to 500hp 425-500hp/3780ilbs, something tells me i think think the old is faster and better than the new.

You people really need to get out of denial.  The SRT-8 is the fastest vehicle to ever wear the Charger nameplate, 1/4 mile wise.  Everyone recognizes that.  That fact is not what is disputed.  The sutability of the name is what is most disputed.

[Silver R/T]

It is fast car yes, but id rather drive classic 60's mopar that is just as fast or even faster for the fraction of the price. If I were looking fo fast sedan Id go with STi or Evo8

[TheGhost]

It is fast car yes, but id rather drive classic 60's mopar that is just as fast or even faster for the fraction of the price.

Fraction of the price?  SRT-8 is 45k, roughly.  I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price.  Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

[Troy]

It is fast car yes, but id rather drive classic 60's mopar that is just as fast or even faster for the fraction of the price.

Fraction of the price? SRT-8 is 45k, roughly. I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price. Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

If you can't make a 69 Charger run a 12 second quarter with $45k then you're totally inept at building anything on wheels. Any way, I'm pretty sure this thread has sunk about as low as it needs to. I wish you guys would stop chasing each other all over the board and just insult each other in one place. It makes my job easier.

Troy

[TheGhost]

It is fast car yes, but id rather drive classic 60's mopar that is just as fast or even faster for the fraction of the price.

Fraction of the price? SRT-8 is 45k, roughly. I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price. Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

If you can't make a 69 Charger run a 12 second quarter with $45k then you're totally inept at building anything on wheels. Any way, I'm pretty sure this thread has sunk about as low as it needs to. I wish you guys would stop chasing each other all over the board and just insult each other in one place. It makes my job easier.

Troy

I never thought I'd see the day when you didn't read the entire post, Troy...

Fraction of the price? SRT-8 is 45k, roughly. I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price. Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

[Rocky]

If you can't make a 69 Charger run a 12 second quarter with $45k then you're totally inept at building anything on wheels. Any way, I'm pretty sure this thread has sunk about as low as it needs to. I wish you guys would stop chasing each other all over the board and just insult each other in one place. It makes my job easier.

Troy

Many of the SRT8's are running an additional 15K in dealer markup, it is really commot here in California, and people seem willing to buy it.

How fast could I make my 68 for 55 thousand more than I bought it for in 97?

BTW, I dont think these cars will be worth 7x plus what they sold for 40 years from now.

[Ghoste]

They won't be worth +15k twenty minutes after they leave the dealer.

[Troy]

It is fast car yes, but id rather drive classic 60's mopar that is just as fast or even faster for the fraction of the price.

Fraction of the price? SRT-8 is 45k, roughly. I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price. Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

If you can't make a 69 Charger run a 12 second quarter with $45k then you're totally inept at building anything on wheels. Any way, I'm pretty sure this thread has sunk about as low as it needs to. I wish you guys would stop chasing each other all over the board and just insult each other in one place. It makes my job easier.

Troy

I never thought I'd see the day when you didn't read the entire post, Troy...

Fraction of the price? SRT-8 is 45k, roughly. I'd like to see you build a 69 Charger up to a 12 second 1/4 for a fraction of the price. Sure, it may be cheaper, but not nearly as cheap as you say.

Even if buying a fairly nice 69 Charger to start with sets you back $25k you still have more than $20k to spend on modifying it for racing to get at the price of an SRT-8. Ok, how about half of $45k - is that better? I'll have roughly $11k in my 68 once the body and paint are done and I have a 440 and 4-speed in it (try getting a stick in a new one). That leaves me another $11-12k to make it fast and still come in under half the cost of an SRT-8. That was my point and I did read the whole post. No, it probably won't have the gas mileage, handling, or creature comforts like an SRT-8 but it sure will look a lot better... AND... I bet my insurance will cost about 1/3-1/4 as much as the new one. Realistically I could build both my cars to be at or near 12 seconds and still have money left over to buy a few extra sets of tires. You just have to know what you're doing (or be friends with people who do).

As I've said on multiple occasions - if I only wanted to go fast I would start with a lighter car to begin with. That goes for the old and new ones alike. You're just wasting money fighting physics with a 4,000+ pound car. So, if I'm not too terribly interested going fast then there's another reason to own the car and that's style. I DO NOT care how fast the new one is but I know I can make a reasonably fast (at least overkill for the street) 68-70 Charger for a lot less than what you think. For what it's worth, I talked to a guy yesterday running 12.01 in his small block Dart and I know he doesn't have more than $7k in the entire car. Buy something like that if you're interested in throwing money away.

Troy

[greenpigs]

I talked to a guy yesterday running 12.01 in his small block Dart and I know he doesn't have more than $7k in the entire car. Buy something like that if you're interested in throwing money away.

More of the same here, a guy at work has a 340 Dart that runs mid 12's for sale at $5500. It spun a bearing and the motor needs freshened up\or more..depending. The car has a full interior and exhaust and runs on 93 octane gas just fine.

It might take... 1K at the most to get it back on the street and if I had the money I would have bought it.
 
  Get your head out of the 06 Chargers ass TheGhost and a few others..brand loyalty is one thing but sticking up for a bastard of a car is another.

[TheGhost]

Troy, the point was, it wasn't a FRACTION of the cost, as sliver claimed.

Greenpigs, the only thing wrong with the car is the name.  Looks are subjective, therefore don't count.  Admit it, if the car was named anything else, everyone here would like it.  The people, like bull, who constantly complain about the looks, would still complain about the looks, but would also recognize the fact that it's still a nice car, because of it's performance capabilities.

[Troy]

1/2, 2/3, 5/8, 3/4, 63/64, 999/1000 are all fractions...

Troy

[TheGhost]

1/2, 2/3, 5/8, 3/4, 63/64, 999/1000 are all fractions...

Troy

But that's not what Sliver meant, or what the saying usually means.

[Silver R/T]

That IS what I ment. A fraction of a cost, lets say 45K SRT and I get 12 sec 68 for 15K. Now that is fraction of the cost.

[TheGhost]

That IS what I ment. A fraction of a cost, lets say 45K SRT and I get 12 sec 68 for 15K. Now that is fraction of the cost.

15k?  Including the cost of the car?  I doubt it, unless you neglect any and all bodywork....

[Silver R/T]

dude, remember 493 Charger R/T that what he was selling his R/T for. And guess what it was 11 sec car. with everything done(bodywork, interior, etc) He finally sold it to guy in Australia. www.452rtracing.com is his former site. Ask anyone else on this forum, they sure remember him. I went to visit him few summers ago and actually got a ride in the car. So, prove me wrong

[greenpigs]

Greenpigs, the only thing wrong with the car is the name.  Looks are subjective, therefore don't count

When I am paying the money the looks are not subjective..I buy new vechicles about every three years and no way in hell will I spend my $ on an ugly car. If it wasn't called a Charger it wouldn't matter its a 4 door shit box and I will not own a 4 door.
 
  There is more to daily transportation than speed, when you grow up some you MIGHT figure that out.

[mally69]

  69 hemi r/t 4 speed 425hp, i believe its closer to 500hp 425-500hp/3780ilbs, something tells me i think think the old is faster and better than the new.

[mally69]

You people really need to get out of denial.  The SRT-8 is the fastest vehicle to ever wear the Charger nameplate, 1/4 mile wise.  Everyone recognizes that.  (quote)
  probably have a better chance at seeing a snowball in hell than having the new charger faster than the old one

get out of denial (the old Charger's ARE better and everyone recognizes that )

[6pkrunner]

Also check BHP as opposed to SAE. 

[defiance]

Sure, it's fast!  It's running away from the ugly stick that keeps beatin' on it!

[6pkrunner]

1968    Plymouth    S/S Barracuda    426 Hemi V8    525 **    10.5    130    MCR
1968    Dodge    S/S Hemi Dart    426 Hemi V8    525 **    10.5    129    MCR
2005    Mercedes-Benz    SLR McLaren    5.4L V8 S/C    617    11.6    127.2    MT
2003    Dodge    Viper SRT-10    8.3L V10    500    11.77    123.63    MT
2005    Mercedes-Benz    CL65 AMG    6.0L V12 T/C    604    11.8    120.9    MT
2004    Mercedes-Benz    SL600    5.5L V12 T/C    493    11.9    120    CD
1963    Dodge    Ramcharger    426 V8    425    12.0    117    MCR
1997    Dodge    Viper GTS    8.0L V10    450    12.07    115.2    MCR
2000    Dodge    Viper ACR    8.0L V10    460    12.2    119.2    MT
1997    Dodge    Viper RT/10    8.0L V10    450    12.3    117.19    MT
2003    Mercedes-Benz    CL55 AMG    5.4L V8 S/C    493    12.38    114.45    MT
2003    Mercedes-Benz    E55 AMG    5.4L V8 S/C    469    12.39    116.21    MT
1998    Dodge    Viper GTS-R    8.0L V10    460    12.5    118.5    MT
2003    Mercedes-Benz    SL55 AMG    5.4L V8 S/C    469    12.5    116.1    MT
2006    Mercedes-Benz    CLS55 AMG    5.4L V8 S/C    469    12.6    114.4    MT
1993    Dodge    Viper RT/10    8.0L V10    400    12.8    110    MT
1969    Plymouth    Road Runner    440 V8 6-pack    390    12.91    111.8    SS (I'd say the infamous Sox test)
1970    Plymouth    Cuda    440 V8 6-pack    390    13.0    105.74    MCR
2002    Mercedes-Benz    SLK32 AMG    3.2L V6 S/C    349    13.0    105.2    CD
2006    Dodge    Magnum SRT8    6.1L V8    425    13.1    108.2    MT
1970    Plymouth    Cuda    426 Hemi V8    425    13.1    107.12    CC
1970    Dodge    Challenger SE    426 Hemi V8    425    13.1    107.12    CC
2004    Mercedes-Benz    CLK55 AMG    5.4L V8    362    13.14    108.07    MT
2004    Dodge    Ram SRT-10    8.3L V10    500    13.19    107.07    MT
2005    Chrysler    300C SRT8    6.1L Hemi V8    425    13.2    108.1    MT
2005    Mercedes-Benz    C55 AMG    5.4L V8    362    13.2    107.3    MT
2005    Mercedes-Benz    G55    5.4L V8 S/C    469    13.2    103.2    MT
2003    Mercedes-Benz    CLK55    5.5L V8    362    13.24    107.41    MT
2003    Mercedes-Benz    C32 AMG    3.2L V6 S/C    349    13.24    106.86    CD
2005    Chrysler    Crossfire SRT-6    3.2L V6 S/C    330    13.3    107.4    MT
1969    Plymouth    Road Runner    426 Hemi V8    425    13.32    107.7    SS
1969    Dodge    Super Bee    440 V8 6-pack    390    13.46    103.02    MCR
1969    Dodge    Charger 500    426 Hemi V8    425    13.48    109    HR
2006    Dodge    Charger SRT8    6.1L Hemi V8    425    13.5    106.3    MT

[The Obssessed]

Hello. I am new here.  I own a 1968 Charger R/T and my wife owns a 1966 Charger.
I have owned my Charger for a long tiime.  It is in great condition.  I love it.

I have a question.

Why would a person with a 67 Barracuda notchback join this forum and then tell the members that "they" are in denial ?

In my opinion, people would buy the new Chargers because some have an engine called a "hemi" in them, while most will be just grocery getters and kid haulers.  These same peopple would buy a catbox if it had a hemi in it. 

The Obssessed