Best source for oil pan, '68 426 Hemi; Anyone with pics

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang...
I need to get an oil pan for my '68 Charger R/T w/ 426 Hemi... Are any of the reproduction pans worthy? Or, should I try to find a good original... I'd rather have an original....... What is the stamping on the bottom of a '68 426? Is it the same as a 440 for '68?

Thanks,
Troy

[hotrod98]

I bought one from Summit. It was a mopar performance pan and was every bit as nice as an original. Just doesn't have the markings that the original pan did.

[hemi68charger]

I bought one from Summit. It was a mopar performance pan and was every bit as nice as an original. Just doesn't have the markings that the original pan did.

Was it the reproduction pan? From what I'm getting on another board is that the hemi pans didn't have the number stampings on them.... Only the 383/440 HP's had the "402" stamping on them...

Thanks,
Troy

[hemigeno]

Troy, the 66-69 hemi pans had no part number stamped on them, you are correct.  The oil pickup is specific to that pan as well, and won't interchange with the later style hemi pan.

I used the 70-71 repro pan on my car, since the 66-69 style is apparently made of unobtanium.

About 3 months ago Tony D'Agostino had an early-style pan and pickup, but he wanted $1,200 for it.  Since my car isn't a points-type restoration, I'll stick with my repro pan.  After 6+ years with that "incorrect" pan on the car, I have not had a single person mention it.

[firefighter3931]

Here are the part numbers (66-69 426 hemi b-body pan + strainer):

pan : 2780547
pickup : 2780552 or 2899806

I'm sure Gene is correct...no stamp number on the older hemi pans. The 402 pan is a 4qt sump so it's not what you want with a hemi, inmo. Even if you bolted it on there would be the 1/2 in pickup issue to contend with.

The repro pan is a later 70-71 style i believe. It fits fine in a second gen Charger. I've got the MP pan on mine with the 1/2 in pickup along with a windage tray.

Dang, $1200.00 for a pan is rediculous 

Ron

[hemi68charger]

Thanks guys... I have an old pan that came with the car when I originally trade my v-code '70 Charger R/T for it... I'll have to go check that puppy and see if it's for real. I have an original 1/2" pickup, but may just get a new one.... Knocking on wood that the pan I got in the trade is an original.. Now, wouldn't that be cool !!!!!

Now the education on water pump housings...........

Troy

[8WHEELER]

Troy, the 66-69 hemi pans had no part number stamped on them, you are correct.  The oil pickup is specific to that pan as well, and won't interchange with the later style hemi pan.

I used the 70-71 repro pan on my car, since the 66-69 style is apparently made of unobtanium.

About 3 months ago Tony D'Agostino had an early-style pan and pickup, but he wanted $1,200 for it.  Since my car isn't a points-type restoration, I'll stick with my repro pan.  After 6+ years with that "incorrect" pan on the car, I have not had a single person mention it.

5yrs ago I put a repo Hemi pan on my 68 RT 440 charger, I did not drill out the block and put in the larger pickup tube.
What is the difference between the stock 440 and 383 HP 402 pan pickup tube and the Hemi pickup tube??
From everything I have been told the depth's are the same between the two, just a bigger diameter tube?

Dan

[hemigeno]

5yrs ago I put a repo Hemi pan on my 68 RT 440 charger, I did not drill out the block and put in the larger pickup tube.
What is the difference between the stock 440 and 383 HP 402 pan pickup tube and the Hemi pickup tube??
From everything I have been told the depth's are the same between the two, just a bigger diameter tube?

Dan

Dan,

Depending on the year of Hemi pickup tube you're talking about, you're correct in that the biggest difference is the tube diameter.  IIRC you can use a 383/440 (B-Body) oil pickup with the MP-style Hemi pan (that same 2951564 pan was used on 440's also in 70-71), although a lot of people switch to the 1/2" pickup for use with a HV oil pump.  I don't think it's necessary to make that switch though if you didn't want to, and you've already proven that the combo does work.

In an earlier message, I inferred that the 66-69 Hemi pan was the same for that year.  While it is true that the pans for those 4 years were given the same part number, the 68-69 pan (6qt) was deeper than the 66-67 (5qt) version.  Neither had any stampings on them though.  The 68-69 Hemi pickup tube (2899806) is longer, to take advantage of the deeper pan.  It's still a 6 quart pan though, like the '70-71 440/426 pan.

To specifically answer your question for 68 and 69 engines, the 68-69 "806" Hemi pickup tube will be a larger diameter and longer than the pickup used for the '66-70 "402" pan.  The "806" pickup will ONLY work with a '68-69 Hemi pan, which Ron already pointed out has a P/N of 2780547.

Sorry if this gets confusing...

Gene

[hemi68charger]

So it's the MP MOP-P4529884 pan that I need?  Makes sense even though the description mentions '70/'71 E-bodies

Troy

[firefighter3931]

Troy, click the linky :

http://store.yahoo.com/chucker54/mancini1.html

Ron

[firefighter3931]

What is the difference between the stock 440 and 383 HP 402 pan pickup tube and the Hemi pickup tube??
From everything I have been told the depth's are the same between the two, just a bigger diameter tube?

Dan

Dan, the tube is the obvious difference but the hemi pickup "looks" different from the 383-440 hp pickup. The hemi PU is longer from waht i've seen and the PU sits allmost at the rear of the pan. Where did yours end up sitting in the sump ? Middle or rear ? Obviously the B/RB 4qt PU is working fine in your engine....i wouldn't worry about it. I'm just doubtful that the hemi pickup would work in the HP 4qt pan. I could be wrong though....but with a hemi using the 1/2in pu there's no way i'd even consider a 4qt sump. 

Ron

[8WHEELER]

Yes after I installed the repo Hemi pan, I noticed the stock RB HP pickup tube was about center in the Hemi
pan. I did expect that, but comparing the two pans they both ''402 pan & Hemi pan'' hang down to the
same level on my 68 K-Frames.

Here is my wife's 68 RT with the stock HP pan, doing some front end work.
And a picture of my red car during the resto, with the old stock K-Frame, and the new Hemi pan.
You can see the pans hang down the same amount.

Dan

[hemi68charger]

Thanks for the pics Dan !!  They are good references showing an actual pan.... OK, let me get this everyone, I have an original 1/2 " hemi pickup, I'm assuming '66-'69, so will it work with the reproduction pan or do I need to get the appropriate repop pickup with the reproduction pan?

Troy

[hemigeno]

Thanks for the pics Dan !!  They are good references showing an actual pan.... OK, let me get this everyone, I have an original 1/2 " hemi pickup, I'm assuming '66-'69, so will it work with the reproduction pan or do I need to get the appropriate repop pickup with the reproduction pan?

Troy

Troy,

Best I can tell, there were three different pickups used on the street Hemi, one for each of the following years-

66-67
68-69 (P/N 2899806)
70-71

If your 1/2" pickup is the 2899806 variety for '68-69, it might only work with a pan from that same 68-69 period .  I am not sure it would even work with a '66-67 pan, even though both the 66-67 and the 68-69 pans were given the same part number (I don't know that to be a fact, but the 66-67 pan was 5 quart while the 68-69 pan is a 6 quart, and the pickup part number changed for '68). 

I don't have an original 68-69 pickup, so I can't see if there are any part numbers stamped on it anywhere (there probably aren't any).  If you feel lucky, you can order the repro pan without the pickup and try to fit it up with the one you have.  If your pickup is the longer 68-69 version (P/N 2899806), you'll have no problems getting rid of it for some dough.

Does Jet's (69hemi) webpage or for sale listing have any pictures of his pan?  I don't remember whether he used a repro pan or if he had an original.  I figured you were just looking for pictures of the correct pan, which is why I didn't post any pictures of my pan.

[hemi68charger]

Here's the oil pan I have... It looks like a hemi version.. It seems to be deep enough and it DOESN'T have "402" stamped in it.....
Whatcha ya'll think?

Troy

[8WHEELER]

Yep that's a Hemi pan, I could not tell you what year because I have not seen very many original Hemi pans.
I have only used the repo pan, by the way if you buy a repo pan from Chrysler it will cost between $150 ''my
discount price'' and $180 non discount. If you buy one from Mancini right now its $160 with your choice of tube,
The Mopar unit does not come with a pickup tube it will be extra.

This is my repo Hemi pan from a different angle, maybe it will help.

Dan

[8WHEELER]

Here is my wifes stock 440 HP pan, big difference.

Dan

[hemi68charger]

Yep that's a Hemi pan, I could not tell you what year because I have not seen very many original Hemi pans.
I have only used the repo pan, by the way if you buy a repo pan from Chrysler it will cost between $150 ''my
discount price'' and $180 non discount. If you buy one from Mancini right now its $160 with your choice of tube,
The Mopar unit does not come with a pickup tube it will be extra.

This is my repo Hemi pan from a different angle, maybe it will help.

Dan

  Very cool !!!!!   I have the pick up as well in one of my other boxes.... Thanks Dan..... There's the typical small dents in the front that I'll try to smooth out... Looks like the reproduction one is dead on?.. What do you think?

Troy

[70Rcharger]

Maybe this will help the dirty pan is a 70 hemi , the unpainted is a repo and the orange pan is a 402

[8WHEELER]

Thanks for the PICS. I only have the Hemi pan on the car, and one on order 
It does look like the Hemi pan is a bit deeper, I will have to measure mine here
pretty soon and see, but I was told by a Hemi ''EXPERT'' 5yrs ago the pans were
the same depth   

Dan

[hemi68charger]

70Rcharger:

Thanks !!!  Great comparison pics........ Looks like the reproduction is pretty dead on !!!  Think I'll get that one with the new pick up...

Thanks guys......

Troy

[Big Lebowski]

Ebay always has the brand new 402 7 Qt (with filter) pans for sale. 1/2" pickups too. I just bought one for the new 440 in my '70 Challenger

[8WHEELER]

Ebay always has the brand new 402 7 Qt (with filter) pans for sale. 1/2" pickups too. I just bought one for the new 440 in my '70 Challenger

The new repo HP 402 pans are now stamped 71 I think is the number. Same baffles and depth as stock.
This is the new one I put in my wifes car, look mom, 6ft in the air and no K-Frame 

Dan

[hemigeno]

I just picked up an oil pan from eGouge that is supposedly for a '68-9 Hemi, but I'm not so sure.  It might be the '66-67 version, but I haven't seen the two laid side-by-side for comparison.  It is definitely deeper than the other pans I have seen, by about 1/2" or more (depending on where you measure from).  I went back and looked at Troy/hemi68's earlier thread (I was actually getting ready to ask ya for some pictures ) and it looks like my "new" pan is deeper, but it doesn't have as long of a pan section.

The pan cost me about 1/2 of what Tony D'Agostino is asking for his pan - but Tony's is certainly the correct pan.  Wouldn't be the first time that I thought I picked up a rare Hemi part on the cheap, just to find out that it wasn't exactly right... 

Here are the pictures... any opinions? (It's alright to tell me I got screwed)

[69fuchs]

Geno, that pan looks right.  If it has the baffle inside it is a hemi pan.  Some "c" body pans look like the hemi pan (66-67) but have no baffle.  I don't know the actual specs for depth on the 68-69 pan.  I have an original 68-69 pan but some meat head made a deep sump pan out of it!!!